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Hi All,

Epson has announced the new 3800 large format printer. Details are at:
<http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=687>

Cheers,

Wayne

Wayne J. Cosshall
Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography
http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
Coordindinator of Studies, Multimedia and Photomedia, Australian Academy
of Design
Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/

Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Epson has announced the new 3800 large format printer. Details are at:
> http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=687

Seems to be sort of a scaled-down 4800 printer.
-30 pounds lighter, and a smaller footprint, yet still does 17" wide.
From the picture, it didn't appear to have the big paper-handling, though
(large built-in roll feeder, and enclosed/expanding paper tray to handle
full 17x22" sheets.

Personally, one of the most attractive things about the 4800/4000 (I have
the 4000) is it's industrial-strength build, and the built-in large-scale
paper handling. Without that, it's value diminishes.

That they limit it to 80ml ink carts is a bit troubling. Perhaps size was
simply too limiting.
The 4800 & up can take either 110ml or double that...with 220ml
arts. -Huge capacity...

The ability to print on glossy paper is a plus.
We'll see...

-Mark²


>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> Wayne J. Cosshall
> Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
> Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
> Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography
> http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
> Coordindinator of Studies, Multimedia and Photomedia, Australian
> Academy of Design
> Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/

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Mark² wrote:

>
> Seems to be sort of a scaled-down 4800 printer.
> -30 pounds lighter, and a smaller footprint, yet still does 17" wide.
> From the picture, it didn't appear to have the big paper-handling, though
> (large built-in roll feeder, and enclosed/expanding paper tray to handle
> full 17x22" sheets.
>
> Personally, one of the most attractive things about the 4800/4000 (I have
> the 4000) is it's industrial-strength build, and the built-in large-scale
> paper handling. Without that, it's value diminishes.
>
> That they limit it to 80ml ink carts is a bit troubling. Perhaps size was
> simply too limiting.
> The 4800 & up can take either 110ml or double that...with 220ml
> arts. -Huge capacity...
>
> The ability to print on glossy paper is a plus.
> We'll see...
>
> -Mark²
>
>
Trying to hit a new price point to open up new markets in the face of
stronger competition from HP and Canon, I would guess. Always a place
for more choice.

Cheers,

Wayne

--
Wayne J. Cosshall
Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/

"Wayne J. Cosshall" <> writes:
> Trying to hit a new price point to open up new markets in the face of
> stronger competition from HP and Canon, I would guess. Always a place
> for more choice.

Why don't any of these things offer continuous inking systems? It
would be such a huge competitive attraction (at least if the
manufacturer is really trying to sell printers, rather than use them
as a giveaway vehicle to help them sell ink) that it almost seems like
a conspiracy that they've all refrained.

Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Wayne J. Cosshall" <> writes:
>> Trying to hit a new price point to open up new markets in the face of
>> stronger competition from HP and Canon, I would guess. Always a place
>> for more choice.
>
> Why don't any of these things offer continuous inking systems? It
> would be such a huge competitive attraction (at least if the
> manufacturer is really trying to sell printers, rather than use them
> as a giveaway vehicle to help them sell ink) that it almost seems like
> a conspiracy that they've all refrained.

The others nearly are continuous ink systems...with their 220ml carts.

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Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at:
www.pbase.com/markuson

"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> writes:
> The others nearly are continuous ink systems...with their 220ml carts.

Hmm, well I thought the idea of continuous ink is that you can use
bulk ink without the manufacturer shaking fingers at you. Don't they
charge a fortune for those carts? It looks like an 220ml Epson cart
is around $85 discounted, or $386/liter, vs. about $25/liter for
gallon bottles from refill places.

Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Wayne J. Cosshall" <> writes:
>> Trying to hit a new price point to open up new markets in the face of
>> stronger competition from HP and Canon, I would guess. Always a place
>> for more choice.
>
> Why don't any of these things offer continuous inking systems? It
> would be such a huge competitive attraction (at least if the
> manufacturer is really trying to sell printers, rather than use them
> as a giveaway vehicle to help them sell ink) that it almost seems like
> a conspiracy that they've all refrained.

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they sell printers to
sell ink. Not long ago there was a Lexmark that cost more to refill
than to buy including new ink.


--
Ben
Lyric of the week: "This the eighties and I'm down with the ladies"

Ben Thomas <> writes:
> I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they sell printers to
> sell ink. Not long ago there was a Lexmark that cost more to refill
> than to buy including new ink.

That's some throwaway consumer printer, not a large format printer
some of which go into five figure price tags.

Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Wayne J. Cosshall" <> writes:
>> Trying to hit a new price point to open up new markets in the face of
>> stronger competition from HP and Canon, I would guess. Always a place
>> for more choice.
>
> Why don't any of these things offer continuous inking systems? It
> would be such a huge competitive attraction (at least if the
> manufacturer is really trying to sell printers, rather than use them
> as a giveaway vehicle to help them sell ink) that it almost seems like
> a conspiracy that they've all refrained.

HP's last results:
$90 billion turnover
$4.5 billion profit from selling ink and toner
$1 billion profit from selling everything else

Paul Rubin wrote:
> Ben Thomas <> writes:
>> I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they sell printers to
>> sell ink. Not long ago there was a Lexmark that cost more to refill
>> than to buy including new ink.
>
> That's some throwaway consumer printer,

Literally.

> not a large format printer
> some of which go into five figure price tags.

According to the sales figures in another post in this thread, the point
I was trying to illustrate is valid.


--
Ben
Lyric of the week: "This the eighties and I'm down with the ladies"