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Bill Hilton wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>> I am surprised by the amount of people that seem to opt for the
>> 24-105 f/4 as opposed to the 24-70 f/2.8 on the 5D.
>>
>> I know that the 24-105 has a longer reach and IS, but I would have
>> thought the 24-70 would have been more popular as a general lens due
>> to the 2.8 aperture, which is obviously better for portraits and low
>> light.
>>
>> Maybe the main decider is the size/weight of the 24-70?
>
> I have a 1Ds and 1D Mark II and both the older 28-70 f/2.8 L and
> 24-105 f/4 L IS ... I *really* like the 24-105 but rarely used the
> 28-70 because of the narrow focal range and weight. For me the
> 24-105 gets used because of the 4:1 zoom range, the IS feature and
> because it's smaller and lighter than the 28-70, which I'm selling.
> I find I have to stop the 24-105 down a bit at 24 mm to clean up the
> vignetting but other than that it's a very useful lens.
>
> For portraits I prefer something a bit longer than 70 mm. I would use
> either my 85 f/1.8 or 100 mm macro or, most likely, 70-200 f/2.8 ...
> for low light the 85 f/1.8 is the ticket.
>
> Bill

Wow.
I just noticed your post after posting my own...
-I do believe there's an echo in here...


Oh...and my 24-70 is for sale, too.
-Anyone want a basically brand new 24-70 2.8 L??

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Hi,
Last year I borrowed a friend's 24-70 and felt constrained. I went back to my car and
substituted my Canon EF 28-300 IS L which, while quite heavy, was much more useful.

I did buy the Canon 24-105 mm L USM since then and find it quite useful when
photographing small gatherings.

Even though it is not a macro lens, I have gotten some great images with it.

http://www.pbase.com/choco1/lilies

I try to remember to bring along the 500D filter so I can get even closer if desired.

Great lens!

Mogur2


On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:50:17 +0100, "Joe" <> wrote:

>I am surprised by the amount of people that seem to opt for the 24-105 f/4
>as opposed to the 24-70 f/2.8 on the 5D.
>
>I know that the 24-105 has a longer reach and IS, but I would have thought
>the 24-70 would have been more popular as a general lens due to the 2.8
>aperture, which is obviously better for portraits and low light.
>
>Maybe the main decider is the size/weight of the 24-70?
>

Mark² wrote:
> Bill Hilton wrote:
>
>>>Joe wrote:
>>>I am surprised by the amount of people that seem to opt for the
>>>24-105 f/4 as opposed to the 24-70 f/2.8 on the 5D.
>>>
>>>I know that the 24-105 has a longer reach and IS, but I would have
>>>thought the 24-70 would have been more popular as a general lens due
>>>to the 2.8 aperture, which is obviously better for portraits and low
>>>light.
>>>
>>>Maybe the main decider is the size/weight of the 24-70?
>>
>>I have a 1Ds and 1D Mark II and both the older 28-70 f/2.8 L and
>>24-105 f/4 L IS ... I *really* like the 24-105 but rarely used the
>>28-70 because of the narrow focal range and weight. For me the
>>24-105 gets used because of the 4:1 zoom range, the IS feature and
>>because it's smaller and lighter than the 28-70, which I'm selling.
>>I find I have to stop the 24-105 down a bit at 24 mm to clean up the
>>vignetting but other than that it's a very useful lens.
>>
>>For portraits I prefer something a bit longer than 70 mm. I would use
>>either my 85 f/1.8 or 100 mm macro or, most likely, 70-200 f/2.8 ...
>>for low light the 85 f/1.8 is the ticket.
>>
>>Bill
>
>
> Wow.
> I just noticed your post after posting my own...
> -I do believe there's an echo in here...
>
>
> Oh...and my 24-70 is for sale, too.
> -Anyone want a basically brand new 24-70 2.8 L??
>

If you get more than 2 people wanting it, give me a call I've got a
couple for sale too!

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>Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote:
>
> Wow.
> I just noticed your post after posting my own...
> -I do believe there's an echo in here...
>

So you are back from the Ukraine? Did you post any pics? Any problems
traveling with the photo gear?

Bill Hilton wrote:
>> Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote:
>>
>> Wow.
>> I just noticed your post after posting my own...
>> -I do believe there's an echo in here...
>>
>
> So you are back from the Ukraine? Did you post any pics? Any
> problems traveling with the photo gear?

I'm not TO Ukraine yet, so we'll see about gear-toting troubles...
I leave late tonight. When I return, I'll definitely post some
images--though I'll be working on non-photography stuff most of my time
there. I'll be back by July 22 or 23, so until then...take care, and try
not to be eaten by lions or grizzlies...

-Mark²



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>Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote:
> I'm not TO Ukraine yet, so we'll see about gear-toting troubles...
> I leave late tonight. When I return, I'll definitely post some
> images--though I'll be working on non-photography stuff most of my time
> there. I'll be back by July 22 or 23, so until then...take care, and try
> not to be eaten by lions or grizzlies...

My one and only trip to mother Russia was thrilling ... the American
part-owner of the hotel I was staying at was murdered, gunned down a
few yards from the front of the hotel, in a dispute with his Russian
"partners" the day I arrived. Broad daylight but no one saw a thing,
not even his three body guards. A CNN crew was staying at the same
hotel, covering (I think) Yeltsin's heart attack and on the elevator I
heard Peter Arnett say one of the camera men had been beaten and robbed
just outside the hotel the previous night. This was at a luxury
Raddisson hotel ... I feel more comfortable around lions and grizzlies
than I did there

Bill

Bill Hilton wrote:
>> Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote:
>> I'm not TO Ukraine yet, so we'll see about gear-toting troubles...
>> I leave late tonight. When I return, I'll definitely post some
>> images--though I'll be working on non-photography stuff most of my
>> time there. I'll be back by July 22 or 23, so until then...take
>> care, and try not to be eaten by lions or grizzlies...
>
> My one and only trip to mother Russia was thrilling ... the American
> part-owner of the hotel I was staying at was murdered, gunned down a
> few yards from the front of the hotel, in a dispute with his Russian
> "partners" the day I arrived. Broad daylight but no one saw a thing,
> not even his three body guards. A CNN crew was staying at the same
> hotel, covering (I think) Yeltsin's heart attack and on the elevator I
> heard Peter Arnett say one of the camera men had been beaten and
> robbed just outside the hotel the previous night. This was at a
> luxury Raddisson hotel ... I feel more comfortable around lions and
> grizzlies than I did there
>
> Bill

Well thank you, Bill, for those great words of encouragement!

Fact is...it is still a very volotile place over there, with a lot of
serious crime and organized crime.
One of the Ukrainians we had staying with us two years ago had a brother in
law who was stabbed one evening. -He crawled across the snowy street and
banged on the door of a gas station, crying for help. The man inside was
too afraid of recrimination, and so he let the guy slowly bleed to death on
his doorstep.
Hmmm...
I'm traveling alone...speak no Russian or Ukrainian...and will be carrying
expensive gear...
-A recipe for disaster.

Just in case I end up murdered on the sidewalk... Be well, and I'll see you
on the other side!

-Mark²



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