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l v wrote:
> Joseph Meehan wrote:
>> Bill Funk wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
>>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming to
>>>> the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear
>>>> anything that is different?
>>>
>>> It's not Mexicans (or anyone else) coming here to work that's a
>>> threat.
>>> It's people coming here *ILLEGALLY* that's a threat.
>>> Why can't you be honest, and admit that it's *ILLEGAL* immigration
>>> that's being discussed?
>>
>>
>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped a
>> piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>
>
> Yes and I've gotten speeding tickets and I've went back and picked up
> the piece of paper that I've dropped.
>
> Have you ever lied to someone?

Sure, but I never did so in a way that broke the law, although I have
broken the law as almost anyone has. So what is the real problem? Why are
those who come into the US illegally in order to get a job more of a problem
than someone who risks my life by breaking the speed limit or who cares so
little about the rest of the world that they dump their trash on the city
street?

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Cuz wrote:
> Joseph Meehan <> wrote:
>>> RW+/- wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans
>>>>> coming to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do
>>>>> people fear anything that is different?
>>>>
>>>> To say something like this only shows you live in an area
>>>> that you do not think is affected yet, even though you are
>>>> paying more taxes today because of it.
>>>>
>>>> It has nothing to do with anything being different, it has
>>>> everything to due with being illegal, or are you saying that
>>>> laws are for fools?
>>>
>>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped
>>> a piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>>
>
> Yes and I have paid the penalties for doing such

Every time you did it?

> just as 'lv'
> has
> and the illegal invaders should. Too bad you are so uninformed.

I would rather have someone illegally enter the US to do honest work,
that someone who risks my life by speeding.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

RW+/- wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:57:59 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>
>> RW+/- wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming
>>>> to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear
>>>> anything that is different?
>>>
>>> To say something like this only shows you live in an area that you
>>> do not think is affected yet, even though you are paying more taxes
>>> today because of it.
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with anything being different, it has
>>> everything to due with being illegal, or are you saying that laws
>>> are for fools?
>>
>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped a
>> piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>
>
> Yes, and I never ran from the cops either, did you pick up my tab for
> it? Did you offer me temporary housing? Did you offer to feed me? Did
> you offer to pay all my medical bills? Have you ever offered me a job
> and were going to pay all my costs related to that job?

I can see nothing on that list that would automatically be applicable to
an illegal Mexican coming to the US to work.

>
> Are you willing to share your wife or girlfriend with me? On my terms?

It appears you have a much bigger problem than just your fear of
non-Americans.


>
>>>
>>> The economic costs to America are great! Has already caused inflated
>>> housing prices, medical costs, loss of wages for Americans, loss of
>>> jobs both skilled and unskilled, loss of life, and a whole host of
>>> other things.
>>>
>>> You sir, are an uniformed American.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

On Fri, 19 May 2006 22:17:32 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:

> RW+/- wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:57:59 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>
>>> RW+/- wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming
>>>>> to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear
>>>>> anything that is different?
>>>>
>>>> To say something like this only shows you live in an area that you
>>>> do not think is affected yet, even though you are paying more taxes
>>>> today because of it.
>>>>
>>>> It has nothing to do with anything being different, it has
>>>> everything to due with being illegal, or are you saying that laws
>>>> are for fools?
>>>
>>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped a
>>> piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, and I never ran from the cops either, did you pick up my tab for
>> it? Did you offer me temporary housing? Did you offer to feed me? Did
>> you offer to pay all my medical bills? Have you ever offered me a job
>> and were going to pay all my costs related to that job?
>
> I can see nothing on that list that would automatically be applicable to
> an illegal Mexican coming to the US to work.
>

And a "speeding ticket" is related? What I wrote is.


>>
>> Are you willing to share your wife or girlfriend with me? On my terms?
>
> It appears you have a much bigger problem than just your fear of
> non-Americans.
>

There is no fear and why you have some I'll not understand. They are not an
invited guest, they're interlopers who take and take, they don't give back.

They cost us billions, I'd much rather you and others of your ilk would pay
the costs and not harm my pocket book.

Regarding my question, you want me to share what I have with others, are
you willing to do likewise?

>>
>>>>
>>>> The economic costs to America are great! Has already caused inflated
>>>> housing prices, medical costs, loss of wages for Americans, loss of
>>>> jobs both skilled and unskilled, loss of life, and a whole host of
>>>> other things.
>>>>
>>>> You sir, are an uniformed American.

On Fri, 19 May 2006 22:10:48 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:

> Cuz wrote:
>> Joseph Meehan <> wrote:
>>>> RW+/- wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans
>>>>>> coming to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do
>>>>>> people fear anything that is different?
>>>>>
>>>>> To say something like this only shows you live in an area
>>>>> that you do not think is affected yet, even though you are
>>>>> paying more taxes today because of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with anything being different, it has
>>>>> everything to due with being illegal, or are you saying that
>>>>> laws are for fools?
>>>>
>>>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped
>>>> a piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>>>
>>
>> Yes and I have paid the penalties for doing such
>
> Every time you did it?
>
>> just as 'lv'
>> has
>> and the illegal invaders should. Too bad you are so uninformed.
>
> I would rather have someone illegally enter the US to do honest work,
> that someone who risks my life by speeding.

But they are not doing honest work, they pay no taxes, no SS, they work
under the counter and they take skilled jobs away from honest folk. 40% at
the minimum of our jail and prison population is made up of them, they
drive cars without insurance and no drivers license. Should you be hit by
them there will not be full restitution, They abide not by the regulations
to wash their hands before returning to work, hope your restaurants don't
employ them, and those fresh across the border leave their soiled toilet
paper on the floor for others to clean up.

They bring diseases long since cleared up in the USA back with them, polio,
STD's, malaria, cholera, hepatitis, and many more.

RW+/- wrote:
...
>
> But they are not doing honest work,

In my experience they are doing honest work and more of it than many of
the people complaining.

> they pay no taxes, no SS, they
> work under the counter

Maybe that is because of the law???

> and they take skilled jobs away from honest
> folk.

How do they do that?

> 40% at the minimum of our jail and prison population is made up
> of them,

Where are your getting that kind of trash news.

> they drive cars without insurance and no drivers license.

Maybe that is because of bad laws.

> Should you be hit by them there will not be full restitution,

Maybe maybe not. I have been hit twice by good old native born US
citizens, one never paid and the other only paid after I got a lien on her
home.

> They
> abide not by the regulations to wash their hands before returning to
> work,

Do you really believe all that kind of trash?

> hope your restaurants don't employ them, and those fresh across
> the border leave their soiled toilet paper on the floor for others to
> clean up.

How do you know this, do you speed your days in restrooms watching??

>
> They bring diseases long since cleared up in the USA back with them,
> polio, STD's, malaria, cholera, hepatitis, and many more.

Yea sure.

I only answered this on the remote chance that you are not a troll and
really believe that stuff.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

RW+/- wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2006 22:17:32 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>
>> RW+/- wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:57:59 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>>
>>>> RW+/- wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming
>>>>>> to the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear
>>>>>> anything that is different?
>>>>>
>>>>> To say something like this only shows you live in an area that you
>>>>> do not think is affected yet, even though you are paying more
>>>>> taxes today because of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with anything being different, it has
>>>>> everything to due with being illegal, or are you saying that laws
>>>>> are for fools?
>>>>
>>>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped a
>>>> piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, and I never ran from the cops either, did you pick up my tab
>>> for it? Did you offer me temporary housing? Did you offer to feed
>>> me? Did you offer to pay all my medical bills? Have you ever
>>> offered me a job and were going to pay all my costs related to that
>>> job?
>>
>> I can see nothing on that list that would automatically be
>> applicable to an illegal Mexican coming to the US to work.
>>
>
> And a "speeding ticket" is related? What I wrote is.
>
>
>>>
>>> Are you willing to share your wife or girlfriend with me? On my
>>> terms?
>>
>> It appears you have a much bigger problem than just your fear of
>> non-Americans.
>>
>
> There is no fear and why you have some I'll not understand. They are
> not an invited guest, they're interlopers who take and take, they
> don't give back.

They are invited guest.. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled
masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse
of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me"

>
> They cost us billions, I'd much rather you and others of your ilk
> would pay the costs and not harm my pocket book.

How did you come up with that number? Have you considered the
contributions they make?


>
> Regarding my question, you want me to share what I have with others,
> are you willing to do likewise?

No I doubt if you will share anything. However I am willing to share.
That is the way it has worked in the US since before your people come to the
US. How quickly some forget.


>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The economic costs to America are great! Has already caused
>>>>> inflated housing prices, medical costs, loss of wages for
>>>>> Americans, loss of jobs both skilled and unskilled, loss of life,
>>>>> and a whole host of other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> You sir, are an uniformed American.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

On Sat, 20 May 2006 01:40:00 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:

> RW+/- wrote:
> ..
>>
>> But they are not doing honest work,
>
> In my experience they are doing honest work and more of it than many of
> the people complaining.
>

How can it be honest? What part of illegal do you not understand?

>> they pay no taxes, no SS, they
>> work under the counter
>
> Maybe that is because of the law???
>

Nope, it's bleeding hearts such as yourself that stop enforcement.

>> and they take skilled jobs away from honest
>> folk.
>
> How do they do that?
>

D'oh! Work for less, not taxes, etc. Look how many carpenters, painters,
drywallers, electricians, auto mechanics, fast food employee's lost their
jobs.

>> 40% at the minimum of our jail and prison population is made up
>> of them,
>
> Where are your getting that kind of trash news.
>

Trash news? How do you figure that, because it blows away your lies?

>> they drive cars without insurance and no drivers license.
>
> Maybe that is because of bad laws.
>
>> Should you be hit by them there will not be full restitution,
>
> Maybe maybe not. I have been hit twice by good old native born US
> citizens, one never paid and the other only paid after I got a lien on her
> home.
>

My wife has been hit twice by illegal's, no insurance, they lied about
their address, etc. Common story in CA.

>> They
>> abide not by the regulations to wash their hands before returning to
>> work,
>
> Do you really believe all that kind of trash?
>

I've seen it with my eyes, many times. What's not to believe?

>> hope your restaurants don't employ them, and those fresh across
>> the border leave their soiled toilet paper on the floor for others to
>> clean up.
>
> How do you know this, do you speed your days in restrooms watching??
>

I've seen it enough over the years.

>>
>> They bring diseases long since cleared up in the USA back with them,
>> polio, STD's, malaria, cholera, hepatitis, and many more.
>
> Yea sure.
>

Look at the evidence in the news.

> I only answered this on the remote chance that you are not a troll and
> really believe that stuff.

It is all true, seems like you try to discount it as trash, trolling, etc.
since if it were true you'd have to give up your false impressions.

Bubba, I have not even approached the tip of the iceberg regarding the
subject, like illegals on welfare yet running cash only businesses and
driving new BMW's.

You'd best open your eyes.

Joseph Meehan wrote:
> l v wrote:
>
>>Joseph Meehan wrote:
>>
>>>Bill Funk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
>>>><> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Fellow American,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As an American I resent the idea that somehow Mexicans coming to
>>>>>the US to work are some sort of threat. Why do people fear
>>>>>anything that is different?
>>>>
>>>>It's not Mexicans (or anyone else) coming here to work that's a
>>>>threat.
>>>>It's people coming here *ILLEGALLY* that's a threat.
>>>>Why can't you be honest, and admit that it's *ILLEGAL* immigration
>>>>that's being discussed?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell me, have you ever been guilty of speeding or dropped a
>>>piece of paper on the sidewalk?
>>>
>>
>>Yes and I've gotten speeding tickets and I've went back and picked up
>>the piece of paper that I've dropped.
>>
>>Have you ever lied to someone?
>
>
> Sure, but I never did so in a way that broke the law, although I have
> broken the law as almost anyone has. So what is the real problem? Why are
> those who come into the US illegally in order to get a job more of a problem
> than someone who risks my life by breaking the speed limit or who cares so
> little about the rest of the world that they dump their trash on the city
> street?
>

It's not as simplistic as you are trying to make it. 5-10 mph over the
posted speed limit is not risking your life unless that speeder is
driving reckless. I suggest you have the passenger in your car take a
digital photo of that reckless driver (hey, just trying to tie it to
purpose of this news group somehow). What is a speed limit anyway?
Speed limits were set to a number to bring traffic deaths to an
acceptable number. Say you drive north of Columbus Ohio into the state
of Michigan, just because you crossed the state line you can now drive
70 mph vs 65. What made you a better and safer driver as you crossed
the state line?

"So what is the real problem?" you ask? I *hate* having 40% of my pay
going to people who do not have any right to my -- and your -- hard
earned money. I *hate* paying more for services to make up for the free
services that illegal immigrants think they deserve. I *hate* having
laws passed for illegal immigrants lobbied by illegal immigrants. They
have no rights in this country but seem to think they do. Become legal.
It's too bad that the waiting list is 18 years behind - so I'm told.

I think your not following the news close enough and I think you are
using the wrong news group for your education. How about you illegally
move into Mexico and see what rights you are entitled to.

I think this makes it pretty clear.
http://blahblahblog.wordpress.com/20...r-immigration/

Cheers
--

Len

On Sat, 20 May 2006 01:40:00 GMT, Joseph Meehan wrote:

> RW+/- wrote:
> ..
>>
>> But they are not doing honest work,
>
> In my experience they are doing honest work and more of it than many of
> the people complaining.

You are going to just love this, especially if you have kids who ride the
school bus.

There is an interstate business run my an illegal who was a printer in
Mexico, he specializes in false identity cards, drivers licenses, etc. A
multi-million dollar business run right under the feds noses.

Here is the fun part.

The driver of your kids school bus may very well be one of these illegal's
using false ID. Have a very nice day.