All Things Mopar wrote:
> Today Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) commented
> courteously on the subject at hand
>
>
>>All Things Mopar wrote:
>>>With all due respect to someone I don't know, my first
>>>reaction to your contradiction of my simple statement is,
>>>well, horseshit.
>>
>>Bart is correct. The technology to improve focus is called
>>image deconvolution, or image restoration and has been a
>>topic of research for decades, well before the Hubble
>>problem.
> Bart is /theoretically/ correct. Go back and re-read my last
> paragraphy. I don't give a tinker's damn about what can be
> done in a lab with hours of effort using expensive software.
No, Bart is actually correct. The software is not expensive, in
fact you can get it for free if you want. Commercial software
that does it is more than 3 times less expensive than photoshop.
> The issue being discussed was how to save a badly out-of-focus
> image and not what the NASA people did or what esoteric
> software can do under carefully controlled conditions on
> special case problems.
And I'm not talking about what "NASA people" did. Image restoration
methods are being used by hundreds if not thousands of
terrestrial photographers and astrophotographers every day.
> Photography used to be both art and science, but more art from
> which the "science" was built around. Today, particularly in
> this NG, debates like this almost immediately lose their
> relavance to the original innocent request for help into an
> elitist theoretical debate. If that's what you want to do,
> fine by me.
The only debate here is knowledgeable people have pointed out
that this technology exists and works well, and you seem
to argue that it doesn't exist except in theory in a lab.
Try reading the links. If you want links to many images
by many people who do this routinely, I can supply some.
There really are some awesome results coming out
of the technology.
>>See:
>> Image Restoration
>> Using Adaptive Richardson-Lucy Iteration
>> http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedeta...e-restoration1
>>
>>Image Restoration Using the Damped Richardson-Lucy Method
>>http://www.stsci.edu/stsci/meetings/...dings/whiter_d
>>amped.dir/whiter_damped.html
> Do you do this for real or for an intellectual exercise?
> Again, you admit to what I already said - fixing an OOF image
> is a compromise between noise and sharpness, and almost always
> results in greatly increased artifacts. Actually, the
> artifacts and noise were already there, they were simply
> exacerrbated by the attempted sharpness/detail illusory
> process.
Again, the technology is real and being used by
many photographers. Yes, I do this for real.
I have sold many photographs that have been processed
with RL restoration. The same argument of greatly increased
artifacts can be said of almost any tool, whether simple curves
or levels, unsharp mask, of photoshop's newer
smart sharpen (which again does not sharpen, only increases
accutance). So like any tool, there is skill in using
it to produce good results.
Roger