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Gary Eickmeier
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      03-09-2006


Mark Roberts wrote:

> To print, go to the File menu and select Print With Preview (not plain
> "Print"). Select Show More Options if it's visible. Look in the Color
> Handling drop-down box and select either "Let Photoshop Determine
> Colors" or "Let Printer Determine Colors". IMPORTANT: "Let Printer
> Determine Colors" really means "Let Print DRIVER Determine Colors" -
> Adobe doesn't really make this clear. I suggest this latter choice for
> now.


You say let printer driver determine colors, then you go on to set a
profile in Photoshop and a rendering intent.
>
> Under Printer Profile select either Adobe RGB 1998 or the
> printer-specific profile for the paper you're using (if you've loaded
> any - I'd guess not from what you've said).
>
> Under Rendering Intent "Relative Colorimetric" is a good general
> choice but I'd go with "Perceptual" if you had a lot of out-of-gamut
> color you couldn't correct with the Selective Color adjustment.
>
> Click the Page Setup button and, in the dialog that opens, click
> Printer. In *that* new dialog, click Properties to open your print
> driver dialog. Select paper type, size, etc. as appropriate. There
> should also be options for color management. I can't be very specific
> here because the options available will depend on your printer/print
> driver but this is important: If you earlier chose "Let Photoshop
> Determine Colors" you need to turn OFF color management in your print
> driver. If you selected "Let Printer Determine Colors" you need to
> make sure color management in your print driver is ON. Remember, you
> want either Photoshop OR your print driver controlling color
> management, but not both!


So stop hosing us and tell us how to do that.
>
> Close out all dialog boxes and you should be back at the Print With
> Preview window. Click Print and see what you get. If you've done
> everything right the new print should be at least close enough that
> you can achieve success with just a little more adjustment in
> Photoshop.


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Tesco News wrote:

> I would suggest that you have a read at some of the specialised sites such
> as www.computer-darkroom.com or some of the others which will be suggested
> very soon.


What do you think you learned there? Their complete section on printer
settings to achieve color management was:

"Hopefully the material presented in this essay has been helpful and
improved your understanding of Photoshop's approach to managing colour.
As noted throughout the essay there is vast body of material to be found
all over the internet. A simple search using "google.com" and the keys
words color management is all that is required."

And so it goes.

Gary Eickmeier
 
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Don
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      03-09-2006
Andy - Howdy, I am going to try Mark's methods to see how it works on my
PIXMA 8500 however, you might simply try printing the shot from the Canon
software that came with the printer. I assume you have Easy PhotoPrint. It
works very well and is reasonably idiot proof for people like me (and
perhaps you as well - grin). I also assume you are using canon ink and
paper?
regards

Don from Down Under.
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> magicrat wrote:
>
>>Hello all,
>> Let me start by asking: If this topic is not pertinent for this
>>newsgroup - please advise and I will post elsewhere: suggestions as to
>>where to post would be appreciated. Also, my description below will be
>>quite long, but hopefully will provide enough information for someone to
>>point me in the right direction.

>
> Well it's better to provide too much information than too little!
>
> Others have addressed some of your specific questions fairly well so
> I'll just give you some workflow suggestions.
>
> First, use a different RAW converter. The Pentax-supplied software
> will get you by if you don't have anything else but there are *free8
> alternatives that are much better. Pixmantec's RawShooter Essentials
> is highly recommended (and, yes, it's freeware):
> http://www.pixmantec.com/products/ra...essentials.asp
>
> Sounds like you're on the right track with monitor calibration, though
> solutions with a feedback system like the Colorvision Spyder are
> obviously better, I think what you're doing should be sufficient for
> the time being.
>
> Convert the RAW file into a 16-bit TIFF using RawShooter Essentials or
> other software, getting it looking as close as possible to the way you
> want it at this stage and then using Photoshop for final tweaking.
> Adobe RGB colorspace is a good choice since you're optimizing for
> print.
>
> Now in Photoshop, activate Gamut Warning (under the View menu). This
> will highlight any colors that are beyond CMYK colorspace (saturated
> RGB primaries of red, green and blue are major candidates). If you
> have a lot of highlighted areas you have trouble. You can correct the
> image substantially by going to Image - Adjustments - Selective Color.
> It would take a major essay to describe how to use this control.
> Experimentation will get you headed in the right direction much
> quicker than you think. Just don't adjust any control a *lot* is my
> advice If you can't eliminate all the highlighted areas, just
> remove as much as you can without making the image look too wonky.
> (Turn Gamut Warning OFF to check.)
>
> Now for printing. CMYK is only for pre-press preparation. You want to
> keep everything RGB. Your printer driver will make the necessary
> conversions appropriate to your specific printer.
>
> To print, go to the File menu and select Print With Preview (not plain
> "Print"). Select Show More Options if it's visible. Look in the Color
> Handling drop-down box and select either "Let Photoshop Determine
> Colors" or "Let Printer Determine Colors". IMPORTANT: "Let Printer
> Determine Colors" really means "Let Print DRIVER Determine Colors" -
> Adobe doesn't really make this clear. I suggest this latter choice for
> now.
>
> Under Printer Profile select either Adobe RGB 1998 or the
> printer-specific profile for the paper you're using (if you've loaded
> any - I'd guess not from what you've said).
>
> Under Rendering Intent "Relative Colorimetric" is a good general
> choice but I'd go with "Perceptual" if you had a lot of out-of-gamut
> color you couldn't correct with the Selective Color adjustment.
>
> Click the Page Setup button and, in the dialog that opens, click
> Printer. In *that* new dialog, click Properties to open your print
> driver dialog. Select paper type, size, etc. as appropriate. There
> should also be options for color management. I can't be very specific
> here because the options available will depend on your printer/print
> driver but this is important: If you earlier chose "Let Photoshop
> Determine Colors" you need to turn OFF color management in your print
> driver. If you selected "Let Printer Determine Colors" you need to
> make sure color management in your print driver is ON. Remember, you
> want either Photoshop OR your print driver controlling color
> management, but not both!
>
> Close out all dialog boxes and you should be back at the Print With
> Preview window. Click Print and see what you get. If you've done
> everything right the new print should be at least close enough that
> you can achieve success with just a little more adjustment in
> Photoshop.
>
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com



 
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"Gary Eickmeier" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Tesco News wrote:
>
>> I would suggest that you have a read at some of the specialised sites
>> such as www.computer-darkroom.com or some of the others which will be
>> suggested very soon.

>
> What do you think you learned there? Their complete section on printer
> settings to achieve color management was:
>
> "Hopefully the material presented in this essay has been helpful and
> improved your understanding of Photoshop's approach to managing colour. As
> noted throughout the essay there is vast body of material to be found all
> over the internet. A simple search using "google.com" and the keys words
> color management is all that is required."
>
> And so it goes.
>
> Gary Eickmeier


I think you should have another, closer, look. There are at least 7
articles on Photoshop and CM and Printing,

The "Basic Printing with PS 6" is a very good article for beginners and
little of importance has changed in PS Print Dialogues since then.

That site is where I learned pretty much everything I know about CM.

Roy G


 
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