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I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.

But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
once people were more aware.
-Rich

Rich wrote:

> I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
> some form of fraud.

Well, I've got over 400... haven't experienced *any* fraud
so far.

> I don't know anyone (at all)
> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.

I've certainly *heard* about alleged incidents. Just like
I've heard about how some guy in Nigeria wants to send
me $50 million.

> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
> once people were more aware.

And my eBay stock has done pretty well, too.

So, what happened? Someone leave you bad feedback?

"Rich" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
> some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.<<<

I've made many more than ten purchases and never had a problem. On two
occasions when I was dissatisfied the seller made an immediate refund upon
receiving the goods back.

I've also sold several items, dealt totally honestly, and received 100%
feedback.

However, I think that one of the reasons for my 'luck' (so far) is that I've
been buying camera equipment, mainly lenses. I think that I'm dealing with
people like myself - older, more responsible, and perhaps more affluent and
less likely to perpetrate a scam, people who were brought up at a time when
honesty was considered to be a virtue, and who had appropriate behaviour
whacked into them in school.

If I was delving into the murky 'young' world of mobile phones, or computer
games, etc, I daresay I would have been cheated by now.

Photo enthusiasts, it seems, are a fairly decent bunch, overall.

--
>
> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
> once people were more aware.


You don't often make sensible comments, Richard, but this time I think that
you're probably spot on.

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:42:10 -0500, Rich <>
wrote:

>I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
>business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
>some form of fraud.

Maybe you mix with the wrong people.

>I don't know anyone (at all)
>who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.

I don't know anyone who isn't aware that fraud can exist in
*any* business. So?

>But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
>of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
>once people were more aware.

Wow, everybody but you must be really stupid for not
thinking that fraudsters try to exploit the internet.

Sorry, must dash. I need to reply to a couple of hundred
nice people who email me wanting to give me a lot of money
for doing nothing. Am I lucky or what?

--
John Bean

In article <>, Rich
<> wrote:

> I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
> some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.
>
> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
> once people were more aware.

Oh, that award is getting so tempting...

In article <>, Rich
<> wrote:

> I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
> some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.
>
> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
> once people were more aware.

I've only had one bad eBay experience. I bought something and the guy
never shipped it. Went through PayPal's resolution process and got my
money back.
Now, the guy claims he shipped it, but it still hasn't shown up here.
The seller is a dickwad.

hornyrhino wrote:

> I've made many more than ten purchases and never had a problem. On two
> occasions when I was dissatisfied the seller made an immediate refund
> upon receiving the goods back.

I've had thousands of transactions mostly selling and had quit a few buying
as well. Most sellers are honest and will go the extra mile to make their
customers happy. The goal is to research your seller before committing to
buy from them. I've had several jerks throughout the years that I had to
call the CC company to get my money back.

> I've also sold several items, dealt totally honestly, and received
> 100% feedback.

That's what makes eBay so great.

> However, I think that one of the reasons for my 'luck' (so far) is
> that I've been buying camera equipment, mainly lenses. I think that
> I'm dealing with people like myself - older, more responsible, and
> perhaps more affluent and less likely to perpetrate a scam, people
> who were brought up at a time when honesty was considered to be a
> virtue, and who had appropriate behaviour whacked into them in school.

I disagree with you since photography equipment was third on the scammer's
most desirable items. Xbox 360 was first and flat panel monitors and TVs
were second.

> If I was delving into the murky 'young' world of mobile phones, or
> computer games, etc, I daresay I would have been cheated by now.

It's just a fantasy; you have to know what to look for.

> Photo enthusiasts, it seems, are a fairly decent bunch, overall.

Yep! It's the scammers pretending to be photo enthusiasts you have to worry
about and identify.

>> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
>> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
>> once people were more aware.
>
> You don't often make sensible comments, Richard, but this time I
> think that you're probably spot on.

No, his comment isn't even remotely applicable. Remember, eBay is just a
venue. When you go to a swap fest or flea market you are required to use
common sense when you are dealing with people. Same with eBay learn the
warning signs and heed them when they slap you in the face.









Rita

"hornyrhino" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Rich" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
>> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
>> some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
>> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.<<<
>
> I've made many more than ten purchases and never had a problem. On two
> occasions when I was dissatisfied the seller made an immediate refund upon
> receiving the goods back.
>
> I've also sold several items, dealt totally honestly, and received 100%
> feedback.
>
> However, I think that one of the reasons for my 'luck' (so far) is that
> I've been buying camera equipment, mainly lenses. I think that I'm
> dealing with people like myself - older, more responsible, and perhaps
> more affluent and less likely to perpetrate a scam, people who were
> brought up at a time when honesty was considered to be a virtue, and who
> had appropriate behaviour whacked into them in school.
>
> If I was delving into the murky 'young' world of mobile phones, or
> computer games, etc, I daresay I would have been cheated by now.
>
> Photo enthusiasts, it seems, are a fairly decent bunch, overall.
>
> --
>>
>> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
>> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
>> once people were more aware.
>
>
> You don't often make sensible comments, Richard, but this time I think
> that you're probably spot on.

Of course, real photographers are all very nice and honest people.

The problems are due to those few people who are not nice or honest. They
certainly do not intend to let you know in advance that they are not nice or
honest, and might even be able to impersonate a real photo enthusiast.

So it is a case of "Buyer Beware". It is not too difficult to ask a few
relevant questions of the seller, and you can then make a better judgement.
If in doubt - Don't deal.

Anyone who uses Western Union, or similar, to pay on Ebay really has no-one
to blame except themselves.

Roy G

"Rich" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
> some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.
>
> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
> once people were more aware.
> -Rich

I doubt ebay has all the figures. I've had many good experiences, both
buying and selling, and only one problem. I will say that you do get the
runaround when there is a problem. First they send you to ayPal, and by
the time I got back to eBay to resolve the problem the seller was gone --
kicked off eBay.

Now, in the seller's defense I did buy a used piece of computer equipment
that worked for 2 minutes with no warranty.

eBay will always be a gamble, but IMHO it's a gamble that's well in your
favor. If you do enough transactions you will be ahead, you just have to
decide how much you are willing to gamble. I don't think I'd buy a diamond
ring from and individual for $20,000 on eBay, but I'd probably take another
chance on a used hard drive for $30.

One friend was willing to take a huge gamble and bought a guitar for
$16,000. Turns out it's actually worth about $35,000, so you can do very
well if you are willing to gamble.

With photo equipment and cameras I've found missing cables and such, but
replacing the cable still made it a bargain. If you don't want to take any
risks walk into a store and pay retail for everything, or buy only from
reputable Internet merchants.

"Randall Ainsworth" <> wrote in message
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> In article <>, Rich
> <> wrote:
>
>> I don't know anyone who has done any kind of
>> business (10 or more deals) who hasn't experienced
>> some form of fraud. I don't know anyone (at all)
>> who isn't aware of some form of fraud on Ebay.
>>
>> But Ebay will NEVER release the figures showing the level
>> of fraud on their sales sight. It would KILL their stock price
>> once people were more aware.
>
> I've only had one bad eBay experience. I bought something and the guy
> never shipped it. Went through PayPal's resolution process and got my
> money back.
> Now, the guy claims he shipped it, but it still hasn't shown up here.
> The seller is a dickwad.

I've never dealt with ebay, but my kids have with no problem. As far as
'dickwad' is concerned, whatever you mean by that, we shipped a package to
my daughter insured. Never received and post office reimbursed. I've failed
to receive photos from 2 different on-line processors. In each case they
made good at no charge. So maybe the seller did ship.
Dave Cohen