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Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR cameras.
Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect full-frame (like
the Canon 5D)
versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?

name wrote:
> Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
> CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR
> cameras. Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect
> full-frame (like the Canon 5D)
> versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?

Approximately never.

Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote:

> name wrote:
> > Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
> > CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR
> > cameras. Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect
> > full-frame (like the Canon 5D)
> > versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?
>
> Approximately never.

Never say never
My best guess is that the only companies that would be crazy enough to
make a full-35mm-frame non SLR camera would be either Leica (a digital
M6) or Epson (an updated RD-1) and both possible cameras would be
rangefinder cameras.
I haven't the faintest idea when or if this would ever be built, but I
suppose it realy depends on whether Sony makes a FF sensor or Kodak
sells the sensor used in the Pro 14n to another manufacturer like Leica
or Epson or maybe Cosina (the manufacturer of the latest "Voigtlaender
Bessa" range of RF cameras) to put into their digital RF camera
(assuming it ever happens).

On 25 Nov 2005 02:44:11 -0800, "name" <> wrote:

>
>Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
>CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR cameras.
>Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect full-frame (like
>the Canon 5D)
>versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?

No real point in doing it. The only thing it offers is the
possibility for a higher pixel count and the ability to use ancient
35mm lenses at their full angle.
-Rich

"name" <> writes:
> Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
> CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR cameras.

Actually, lots and lots of non-DSLR's use CMOS sensors. Most cell
phone cameras have CMOS sensors, for example. But they are generally
considered lower quality than CCD sensors. Canon shocked everyone by
using a CMOS sensor in the D30 (and later cameras, but it wasn't
shocking in the later examples) and getting such good images from it.

> Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect full-frame
> (like the Canon 5D) versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?

It's not terribly likely, except for some weird reason like being able
to use Leica M lenses, as someone mentioned.

"name" <> wrote in message
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>
> Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
> CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR cameras.
> Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect full-frame (like
> the Canon 5D)
> versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?
>
I would save never, the Sony R1 is more expensive than half of the dSLR
cameras on the market.

"Rich" <> wrote in message
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> On 25 Nov 2005 02:44:11 -0800, "name" <> wrote:
>
>>
>>Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ a
>>CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR cameras.
>>Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect full-frame (like
>>the Canon 5D)
>>versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?
>
> No real point in doing it. The only thing it offers is the
> possibility for a higher pixel count and the ability to use ancient
> 35mm lenses at their full angle.
> -Rich
Ancient, like the Canon 24-105 f4 IS USM that was introduced way back
in...2005?
Rich, your foolishness is exceeded only by your eagerness to demonstrate
that foolishness.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

In article <>, Paul Rubin
<http://> says...

> Most cell
> phone cameras have CMOS sensors, for example. But they are generally
> considered lower quality than CCD sensors.

Well, phone cameras are not "generally considered lower quality" - they
are indeed lower quality.
--

Alfred Molon
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wrote:
> Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote:
>
>> name wrote:
>>> Sony recently released the first non-DSLR camera (DSC-R1) to employ
>>> a CMOS sensor, instead of the usual CCD sensor found in non-DSLR
>>> cameras. Would anyone be willing to predict when we can expect
>>> full-frame (like the Canon 5D)
>>> versions of such non-DSLR cameras being released?
>>
>> Approximately never.
>
> Never say never

Note the word, "approximately."


> My best guess is that the only companies that would be crazy enough to
> make a full-35mm-frame non SLR camera would be either Leica (a digital
> M6) or Epson (an updated RD-1) and both possible cameras would be
> rangefinder cameras.
> I haven't the faintest idea when or if this would ever be built, but I
> suppose it realy depends on whether Sony makes a FF sensor or Kodak
> sells the sensor used in the Pro 14n to another manufacturer like
> Leica or Epson or maybe Cosina (the manufacturer of the latest
> "Voigtlaender Bessa" range of RF cameras) to put into their digital
> RF camera (assuming it ever happens).

"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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> Approximately never.

Even later than that.