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Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.

Since I am at the Asterisk conference, I presented the above as a
question to one of the conference speakers, who happens to be very
knowledgeable about the two companies. His answer? "I have heard that
claim before but I'll believe it when I see it... Nortel's hardware is
excellent but its software sucks".

Any comments?

-Ramon F Herrera

Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
> Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
> been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.
>
> Since I am at the Asterisk conference, I presented the above as a
> question to one of the conference speakers, who happens to be very
> knowledgeable about the two companies. His answer? "I have heard that
> claim before but I'll believe it when I see it... Nortel's hardware is
> excellent but its software sucks".
>
> Any comments?
>
> -Ramon F Herrera

Well, I guess the question is: "What does nortel have that cisco would
want?" The only answers I can come up with are: customers, and an aging
TDM platform that nortel's been trying to move all their customers off of.
There really isn't all that much left that cisco doesn't already have.

J

In article <MSu3f.10491$y_1.8345@edtnps89>,
Jeff Pratt <> wrote:
:Well, I guess the question is: "What does nortel have that cisco would
:want?" The only answers I can come up with are: customers, and an aging
:TDM platform that nortel's been trying to move all their customers off of.
:There really isn't all that much left that cisco doesn't already have.

The Baystack 5510 / 5520 switch series is faster than Cisco's corresponding
offerings, and sells for about 40% of Cisco's street price.

Why aren't we hearing a lot more about the 5510/5520? I'm not sure, but
I'd guess that in part it's because the current layer 3 capabilities
and QoS services are pretty limited. Cisco's 3550/3750 and related
devices are swiss army knives compared to the 5510/5520.... but still,
there's plenty of times where one just needs fast layer 2 plus a small
bit of static layer 3, and Cisco cannot currently compete in that market.
--
I was very young in those days, but I was also rather dim.
-- Christopher Priest

Jeff Pratt wrote:

> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
>
>>Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
>>Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
>>been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.
>>
>>Since I am at the Asterisk conference, I presented the above as a
>>question to one of the conference speakers, who happens to be very
>>knowledgeable about the two companies. His answer? "I have heard that
>>claim before but I'll believe it when I see it... Nortel's hardware is
>>excellent but its software sucks".
>>
>>Any comments?
>>
>>-Ramon F Herrera
>
>
> Well, I guess the question is: "What does nortel have that cisco would
> want?" The only answers I can come up with are: customers, and an aging
> TDM platform that nortel's been trying to move all their customers off of.
> There really isn't all that much left that cisco doesn't already have.
>
> J

(R)SMLT? Cisco doesn't have a comparable feature...
Works pretty good! Think of it like an etherchannel that terminates on different core switches. I have it running for
attaching access switches but also for high performance / high available servers. This gives you really a network which
you can't beat to death.

http://www.nortel.com/products/01/pa...680-031804.pdf
http://www.nortel.com/products/01/pa...460-060304.pdf


Nortel has the same problem Novell has. Great features but a disastrous marketing. No one knows about the good features
until competitors come up with them, telling the world that THEY invented it.


--

Best regards

Roberto Giana


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Giana Roberto Consulting - GiaRoCo
https://www.giaroco.ch/

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Hi Ramon,

John Chambers and Cisco have the most successful "acquisition strategy"
on earth.

Nortel does not fit that strategy.

Sincerely,

Brad Reese
BradReese.Com Cisco Repair Service Experts
http://www.BradReese.Com
1293 Hendersonville Road, Suite 17
Asheville, North Carolina USA 28803
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International: 828-277-7272

Roberto Giana wrote:

> Jeff Pratt wrote:
>
>> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
>>>Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
>>>been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.
>>>
>>>Since I am at the Asterisk conference, I presented the above as a
>>>question to one of the conference speakers, who happens to be very
>>>knowledgeable about the two companies. His answer? "I have heard that
>>>claim before but I'll believe it when I see it... Nortel's hardware is
>>>excellent but its software sucks".
>>>
>>>Any comments?
>>>
>>>-Ramon F Herrera
>>
>>
>> Well, I guess the question is: "What does nortel have that cisco would
>> want?" The only answers I can come up with are: customers, and an aging
>> TDM platform that nortel's been trying to move all their customers off
>> of. There really isn't all that much left that cisco doesn't already
>> have.
>>
>> J
>
> (R)SMLT? Cisco doesn't have a comparable feature...
> Works pretty good! Think of it like an etherchannel that terminates on
> different core switches. I have it running for attaching access switches
> but also for high performance / high available servers. This gives you
> really a network which you can't beat to death.
>
>
http://www.nortel.com/products/01/pa...680-031804.pdf
>
http://www.nortel.com/products/01/pa...460-060304.pdf
>
>
> Nortel has the same problem Novell has. Great features but a disastrous
> marketing. No one knows about the good features until competitors come up
> with them, telling the world that THEY invented it.
>
>

(Replying to walter and roberto in one post)

Ok, but those are only features. Features can be added to cisco's existing
platform, and nortel's code isn't likely to help much in adding them.

Companies don't tend to get purchased for single (or even multiple)
features, it tends more towards entire product lines. With features it's
easier to simply re-implement them.

Jeff

In article < .com> "Ramon
F Herrera" <> writes:

>Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
>Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
>been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.

>Since I am at the Asterisk conference, I presented the above as a
>question to one of the conference speakers, who happens to be very
>knowledgeable about the two companies. His answer? "I have heard that
>claim before but I'll believe it when I see it... Nortel's hardware is
>excellent but its software sucks".

>Any comments?

Sounds like another urban legend to me.
Some years ago there was a rumor of Cisco looking to acquire Mitel. Most
recently there was a rumor going around Houston that Houston-based HP
might be wanting to put together a deal with Mitel. We've also heard
stories of Foundry Networks looking at a Mitel acquisition. Houston is the
rumor capitol of the free world. If you heard it in Houston it's got to be
so.

Personally I cannot imagine what Nortel might have that would interest
Cisco. Maybe they'd want Nortel's old TDM technology so they could put
together a hybrid (like the Mitel 3300) and thereby offer Nortel's legacy
TDM customer base a less painful migration strategy to get to IP.

Ramon F Herrera a écrit :
> Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
> Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
> been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.
>
> Any comments?

That sales rep wants you to buy Nortel products. His February trip to
Cancun relies on it. Since you probably said to him that you had doubts
about buying Nortel because you thought it was headed towards
extinction, he just piped up that "don't worry, It'll be picked up by
Cisco" to make you think that it would still be supported in the long run.

--
Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
flabreque | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
@ | - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
videotron.ca

In article < .com>,
"Ramon F Herrera" <> wrote:

> Yesterday in Houston, a Nortel representative said to a customer that a
> Cisco acquisition of Nortel is in the works. He added that Nortel has
> been restructuring itself in anticipation to the acquisition.

If there really were an acquisition in the works, I think that everyone
in the know would be required by the SEC to keep silent about it. So
anyone talking about it would either be passing on a rumor or violating
insider information laws.

--
Barry Margolin,
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

Hi Ramon,

Huawei Technologies is privately-held with sales of $5.5 billion in
2004 that are expected to top $8 billion in 2005 --- this will leapfrog
Nortel and be on the heels of Cisco in less than 3 years.

Huawei international sales double every 12 months exceeding $2 billion
in 2004.

With 30,000 staff members worldwide, Huawei sales in Europe will triple
in 2005:

http://www.futurewei.com/index.asp

Unfortunately, Nortel's future prospects are not to "robust" compared
to this newcomer.

Sincerely,

Brad Reese
Cisco Authorized Distributors Worldwide
http://www.bradreese.com/cisco-distributors.htm