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hi, i'd like to buy a new digital camera after Canon A70.

what do you prefer?

Olumpus 8080
Nikon 8800
Canon Pro1
Canon G6

and why?

thanks a lot
Tom

kyxx wrote:
> hi, i'd like to buy a new digital camera after Canon A70.
>
> what do you prefer?

What do you need to photograph, and why?

Two suggestions from the higher end of the range (ZLR cameras):

- wide angle, Nikon 8400, 24mm built-in, 18mm with accessory lens.

- telephoto, Panasonic FZ20, 36mm - 432mm f/2.8 image stabilised lens

Cheers,
David

kyxx <> wrote:
> hi, i'd like to buy a new digital camera after Canon A70.
>

What do you want to do with it and what's important to you? It looks
like you're after high pixel count (7-8Mpixels) and a moderate amount
of zoom in which case you've chosen a good set of cameras there.

> what do you prefer?
>
> Olumpus 8080
> Nikon 8800
> Canon Pro1
> Canon G6
>

On paper, the 8800 has almost everything anyone could want - 10x zoom
*and* 8 megapixels *and* stabilisastion, but somewhere between the
excellent 5700 and the rather flawed 8700 (suffered horribly from noise
because it had an 8mp sensor in the same size as the 5700) something
went wrong. I don't know what the 8800's noise behaviour is like, the
reviews seem to suggest it's improved. I'd definitely go and try one.

The Canon Pro-1 looks to be a damn good camera - just starting to be
heavily discounted though I've not had a chance to play with one. The G6
isn't as much of a step forward over the lovely G5 as I was hoping.

The Oly 8080 has a pretty good lens (better wide-angle performance than
most comparable cameras) as long as you don't want much zoom, and
"feels nice", but it's not really my kind of camera - I need long zoom
for most of the photography I do.

You should also consider the Konica-Minolta A2 (or the slightly cheaper
A200, but it looks like you lose a few too many nice A2 features on
that) which has a similar feature set. I've seen what you can get out of
the old Dimage 7i and the A1, and they're very nice pieces of kit that
have fed into the A2's genes.

pete
--
"there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"

David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>
> - telephoto, Panasonic FZ20, 36mm - 432mm f/2.8 image stabilised lens
>

All the cameras the OP mentioned were 7-8 megapixels, the FZ10/20 range
is gorgeous (I own an FZ10), but lags slightly on the pixel count. Wonder
what FZ30 will be?

pete
--
"there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"

"kyxx" <> wrote in message
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> hi, i'd like to buy a new digital camera after Canon A70.
>
> what do you prefer?

None of them...
>
> Olumpus 8080
Horrible zoom controls, slow and poor AF.

> Nikon 8800
Same bad controls and AF with lower picture quality than the Oly

> Canon Pro1
Worst AF and zooming controls of the bunch, despite the latest firmware fix

> Canon G6
Need accessory wide angles to shoot wide angle, and very slow AF; bad
viewfinder.

I picked the Sony 828 (yes, I know, not on the list), since the major "flaw"
in this cam was PF in some situations. That, of course, is fixable in post
processing, and the fix, when needed, takes about 10 seconds. So my decision
was based upon the fact that the flaws present in the Nikon and Oly were
unfixable, and therefore fatal, while the flaw in the Sony was easily
fixable and of minimal importance. Additionally, the Sony has the best AF
and zooming controls of the bunch. The KM A2 is also supposed to be very
good, but I've never used one so I can't comment.


>
> and why?
>
> thanks a lot
> Tom
>

Pete Fenelon wrote:
> David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
>>
>> - telephoto, Panasonic FZ20, 36mm - 432mm f/2.8 image stabilised lens
>>
>
> All the cameras the OP mentioned were 7-8 megapixels, the FZ10/20
> range is gorgeous (I own an FZ10), but lags slightly on the pixel
> count. Wonder what FZ30 will be?
>
> pete

The FZ20 is 5MP, which is enough for good prints up to 10 x 8 inches. As
you commented, if you go to 8MP you need to be careful about noise or be
prepared to live with 50 ISO. The snag with enlarging the FZ20 to 8MP
would be that the lens would either need to be bigger or to be compromised
(aperture, zoom range), assuming that the sensor is made proportionately
bigger. Perhaps the FZ30 will compromise on a 7MP sensor and just 10:1
zoom?

What improvements would you like to see in the FZ20?

Cheers,
David

Hi,

I am looking hard at Sony 828. How long have you had it? And how do you find
the "noise" in Sony 828 as many have complain about?




"TAFKAB" <> wrote in message
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>
> "kyxx" <> wrote in message
> news:6QmQd.33782$...
> > hi, i'd like to buy a new digital camera after Canon A70.
> >
> > what do you prefer?
>
> None of them...
> >
> > Olumpus 8080
> Horrible zoom controls, slow and poor AF.
>
> > Nikon 8800
> Same bad controls and AF with lower picture quality than the Oly
>
> > Canon Pro1
> Worst AF and zooming controls of the bunch, despite the latest firmware
fix
>
> > Canon G6
> Need accessory wide angles to shoot wide angle, and very slow AF; bad
> viewfinder.
>
> I picked the Sony 828 (yes, I know, not on the list), since the major
"flaw"
> in this cam was PF in some situations. That, of course, is fixable in post
> processing, and the fix, when needed, takes about 10 seconds. So my
decision
> was based upon the fact that the flaws present in the Nikon and Oly were
> unfixable, and therefore fatal, while the flaw in the Sony was easily
> fixable and of minimal importance. Additionally, the Sony has the best AF
> and zooming controls of the bunch. The KM A2 is also supposed to be very
> good, but I've never used one so I can't comment.
>
>
> >
> > and why?
> >
> > thanks a lot
> > Tom
> >
>
>

David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
> (aperture, zoom range), assuming that the sensor is made proportionately
> bigger. Perhaps the FZ30 will compromise on a 7MP sensor and just 10:1
> zoom?
>
> What improvements would you like to see in the FZ20?
>

FZ-20 adds remote control which the FZ-10 lacks...

For a putative FZ-30 I'd like to see zoom controlled by ring as well as
the manual focus, but most importantly of all I think they should offer
RAW output -- it's a little puzzling that FZ-10 doesn't have it, a LOT
puzzling that FZ-20 doesn't, and if they're going to do an FZ-30 that
aims at the same market sector, I think it's a must. 8mp (I think the
market will demand that) and 35-350mm would certainly be adequate for most
people and keeps up with Konica-Minolta and Canon so maybe losing just a
little zoom would be OK. A more powerful built-in flash would be nice,
the supplied one is nothing to write home about but I don't use flash
enough to warrant buying an external one to fit on the hot shoe.

A few minor tweaks to the menuing system, slightly faster scrolling
around when you're viewing images on the SD card, a slightly quicker
burst mode, but otherwise I think FZ-30 should be pretty much "more of
the same".

And a couple of minor things, a lens cap that's attached to the camera
body by lanyard would be nice, and the crappy neck strap on the FZ-10 is
one of the best adverts for Tamrac I've ever seen - I know it's overkill
but my FZ10 now lives on a nice padded Tamrac strap.

pete
--
"there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"

Pete Fenelon wrote:
> David J Taylor <david-> wrote:
[]
>> What improvements would you like to see in the FZ20?
>>
>
> FZ-20 adds remote control which the FZ-10 lacks...
>
> For a putative FZ-30 I'd like to see zoom controlled by ring as well
> as the manual focus, but most importantly of all I think they should
> offer RAW output -- it's a little puzzling that FZ-10 doesn't have
> it, a LOT puzzling that FZ-20 doesn't, and if they're going to do an
> FZ-30 that aims at the same market sector, I think it's a must.

Interestingly, I have found JPEG output adequate, and I'm not sure I have
the patience or memory card space for RAW...

> 8mp
> (I think the market will demand that) and 35-350mm would certainly be
> adequate for most people and keeps up with Konica-Minolta and Canon
> so maybe losing just a little zoom would be OK. A more powerful
> built-in flash would be nice, the supplied one is nothing to write
> home about but I don't use flash enough to warrant buying an external
> one to fit on the hot shoe.

I must confess I would rather see a larger 5MP sensor, but I think you're
right about the market!

> A few minor tweaks to the menuing system, slightly faster scrolling
> around when you're viewing images on the SD card, a slightly quicker
> burst mode, but otherwise I think FZ-30 should be pretty much "more of
> the same".

Yes!

> And a couple of minor things, a lens cap that's attached to the camera
> body by lanyard would be nice, and the crappy neck strap on the FZ-10
> is one of the best adverts for Tamrac I've ever seen - I know it's
> overkill but my FZ10 now lives on a nice padded Tamrac strap.
>
> pete

Oh, well. You have to give the add-on manufacturers chance to supply
/something/!

<G>

Cheers,
David

In article <6QmQd.33782$>, kyxx says...
> hi, i'd like to buy a new digital camera after Canon A70.
>
> what do you prefer?
>
> Olumpus 8080
> Nikon 8800
> Canon Pro1
> Canon G6

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