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Antony
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      02-12-2005
Evening all

I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently on my
hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which brand
or dye to use.

What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be using
certain brand/dye.

Cheers all

Antony



 
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Ron
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      02-12-2005
One place to start is with your manufacturer to see what it recommends.
I use a new Plextor and it is mighty particular with anything not on
the compatibility list. Right now I am having very good luck with Sony
DVD-R's. Another thing to consider would be a USB hard drive. They have
come way down in price and a good hard drive will probably outlast
dvd's....and you can always keep your file structures, etc. I keep one
in the back of my car in case the house burns down....

Antony wrote:
> Evening all
>
> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently on my
> hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which brand
> or dye to use.
>
> What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be using
> certain brand/dye.
>
> Cheers all
>
> Antony
>
>
>


 
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BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn
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      02-13-2005
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:51 -0500, Ron <> wrote:

>One place to start is with your manufacturer to see what it recommends.
>I use a new Plextor and it is mighty particular with anything not on
>the compatibility list. Right now I am having very good luck with Sony
>DVD-R's. Another thing to consider would be a USB hard drive. They have
>come way down in price and a good hard drive will probably outlast
>dvd's....and you can always keep your file structures, etc. I keep one
>in the back of my car in case the house burns down....
>
>Antony wrote:
>> Evening all
>>
>> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently on my
>> hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which brand
>> or dye to use.
>>
>> What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be using
>> certain brand/dye.
>>
>> Cheers all
>>
>> Antony
>>
>>
>>




There is One brand and was posted in the news group by a Photographer, I have
the link and info some ware..


These are the 300 Year Archival grade Mitsui Gold, now made in the US, in
Colorado. the Jap firm was sold to a firm in Italy..

If you are interested I will post the info..


 
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Antony
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      02-13-2005
Bill

Very much so, if you can find it that will be a great help.

R's

Antony
<BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:51 -0500, Ron <> wrote:
>
>>One place to start is with your manufacturer to see what it recommends.
>>I use a new Plextor and it is mighty particular with anything not on
>>the compatibility list. Right now I am having very good luck with Sony
>>DVD-R's. Another thing to consider would be a USB hard drive. They have
>>come way down in price and a good hard drive will probably outlast
>>dvd's....and you can always keep your file structures, etc. I keep one
>>in the back of my car in case the house burns down....
>>
>>Antony wrote:
>>> Evening all
>>>
>>> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently
>>> on my
>>> hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which
>>> brand
>>> or dye to use.
>>>
>>> What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be
>>> using
>>> certain brand/dye.
>>>
>>> Cheers all
>>>
>>> Antony
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>
>
> There is One brand and was posted in the news group by a Photographer, I
> have
> the link and info some ware..
>
>
> These are the 300 Year Archival grade Mitsui Gold, now made in the US,
> in
> Colorado. the Jap firm was sold to a firm in Italy..
>
> If you are interested I will post the info..
>
>



 
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RSD99
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      02-13-2005
"BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn" posted:
"...
These are the 300 Year Archival grade Mitsui Gold, now made in the US,
in
Colorado.
...."

They are great ... I love them ... BUT

CD-R only!

NO ARCHIVAL DVDs ... (yet).







<BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:51 -0500, Ron <> wrote:
>
> >One place to start is with your manufacturer to see what it recommends.
> >I use a new Plextor and it is mighty particular with anything not on
> >the compatibility list. Right now I am having very good luck with Sony
> >DVD-R's. Another thing to consider would be a USB hard drive. They have
> >come way down in price and a good hard drive will probably outlast
> >dvd's....and you can always keep your file structures, etc. I keep one
> >in the back of my car in case the house burns down....
> >
> >Antony wrote:
> >> Evening all
> >>
> >> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently

on my
> >> hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which

brand
> >> or dye to use.
> >>
> >> What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be

using
> >> certain brand/dye.
> >>
> >> Cheers all
> >>
> >> Antony
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>
> There is One brand and was posted in the news group by a Photographer, I

have
> the link and info some ware..
>
>
> These are the 300 Year Archival grade Mitsui Gold, now made in the

US, in
> Colorado. the Jap firm was sold to a firm in Italy..
>
> If you are interested I will post the info..
>
>



 
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David Dyer-Bennet
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      02-15-2005
BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn writes:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:51 -0500, Ron <> wrote:
>
>>One place to start is with your manufacturer to see what it recommends.
>>I use a new Plextor and it is mighty particular with anything not on
>>the compatibility list. Right now I am having very good luck with Sony
>>DVD-R's. Another thing to consider would be a USB hard drive. They have
>>come way down in price and a good hard drive will probably outlast
>>dvd's....and you can always keep your file structures, etc. I keep one
>>in the back of my car in case the house burns down....
>>
>>Antony wrote:
>>> Evening all
>>>
>>> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently on my
>>> hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which brand
>>> or dye to use.
>>>
>>> What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be using
>>> certain brand/dye.
>>>
>>> Cheers all
>>>
>>> Antony
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>
>
> There is One brand and was posted in the news group by a Photographer, I have
> the link and info some ware..
>
>
> These are the 300 Year Archival grade Mitsui Gold, now made in the US, in
> Colorado. the Jap firm was sold to a firm in Italy..


Do they make a DVD yet? That's archival, I mean?
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BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn
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      02-16-2005
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:14:25 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet <dd-> wrote:

>BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn writes:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:51 -0500, Ron <> wrote:
>>
>>>One place to start is with your manufacturer to see what it recommends.
>>>I use a new Plextor and it is mighty particular with anything not on
>>>the compatibility list. Right now I am having very good luck with Sony
>>>DVD-R's. Another thing to consider would be a USB hard drive. They have
>>>come way down in price and a good hard drive will probably outlast
>>>dvd's....and you can always keep your file structures, etc. I keep one
>>>in the back of my car in case the house burns down....
>>>
>>>Antony wrote:
>>>> Evening all
>>>>
>>>> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are currently on my
>>>> hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little confused as i don't know which brand
>>>> or dye to use.
>>>>
>>>> What do you guys use, are the run of the mill Dvd's ok or should i be using
>>>> certain brand/dye.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers all
>>>>
>>>> Antony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> There is One brand and was posted in the news group by a Photographer, I have
>> the link and info some ware..
>>
>>
>> These are the 300 Year Archival grade Mitsui Gold, now made in the US, in
>> Colorado. the Jap firm was sold to a firm in Italy..

>
>Do they make a DVD yet? That's archival, I mean?





Have a read of this, but why Pick DVD-R....??


http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/11368
 
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David Dyer-Bennet
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      02-16-2005
BILL bs.xxxxxxxxxx.corn writes:

> Have a read of this, but why Pick DVD-R....??
>
> http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/11368


Good, that's the first I've seen of extended-life DVD blanks. Of
course "the cost of premium-grade DVD can be as little as a few
dollars per piece" is a bit scary.

As to why DVD-R -- I dunno why they chose it, but that's the one that
I could actually use, so I'm not complaining. It had a clear early
lead. They may be figuring the medical people invested in it and
haven't upgraded drives since then.
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Bill Tuthill
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      02-16-2005
David Dyer-Bennet <dd-> wrote:
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> Do they make a DVD yet? That's archival, I mean?


Yes, see this, presumably these would work for DVD+R also:

http://www.mam-a.com/products/dvd_product_list.htm

As to whether they are archival, it's too soon to tell.
The Mitsui (non MAM-A) gold/phthalocyanine optical discs
perform well in accelerated aging tests, but in real life,
dye fading has been observed.

 
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      02-16-2005
Antony wrote:
> Evening all
>
> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are
> currently on my hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little
> confused as i don't know which brand or dye to use.


Unfortunately, I'd say the answer is "None of them".

And this has nothing to do with Brand A vs B, etc. Its the DVD format
itself.

Check out Ken Rockwell's website. He states:

"...Even worse, DVDs were never designed with the error correction
levels of CDs and I've heard people who know warn against them for data
archiving. We designed the DVD for MPG video where we can loose
data..."

In other words, the DVD format does not have a robust data error
checking built into its encoding scheme on purpose. Even using the
"best" media can't eliminate this as a basic architectural limitation.

- - -

What was recommended to me was to get an external USB/Firewire drive
enclosure that uses standard 3.5" hard drives that each gets mounted on
a removable sled. Here's one example of one such product (no
endorsement implied):

http://www.firewiremax.com/fire-wire...remcaskit.html

The archiving plan is 3 copies, so you buy 1 enclosure + 3 sleds + 3
drives.

For the above example vendor, the enclosure + sleds runs $85 + 3*$14 =
$127, plus pricewatch is claiming that 250GB drives are currently
running just over $100 each, so for ~$500, you get 250GB of redundant
storage.

You can do the same thin with the 35GB Iomega REV drive, but you'll pay
roughly the same price, but only end up with 35GB of redundant storage.
The REV is a lousy product choice because of its comparatively high
cost per GB.

Antony wrote:
> Evening all
>
> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are
> currently on my hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little
> confused as i don't know which brand or dye to use.


Unfortunately, I'd say the answer is "None of them".

And this has nothing to do with Brand A vs B, etc. Its the DVD format
itself.

Check out Ken Rockwell's website. He states:

"...Even worse, DVDs were never designed with the error correction
levels of CDs and I've heard people who know warn against them for data
archiving. We designed the DVD for MPG video where we can loose
data..."

In other words, the DVD format does not have a robust data error
checking built into its encoding scheme on purpose. Even using the
"best" media can't eliminate this as a basic architectural limitation.

- - -

What was recommended to me was to get an external USB/Firewire drive
enclosure that uses standard 3.5" hard drives that each gets mounted on
a removable sled. Here's one example of one such product (no
endorsement implied):

http://www.firewiremax.com/fire-wire...remcaskit.html

The archiving plan is 3 copies, so you buy 1 enclosure + 3 sleds + 3
drives.

For the above example vendor, the enclosure + sleds runs $85 + 3*$14 =
$127, plus pricewatch is claiming that 250GB drives are currently
running just over $100 each, so for ~$500, you get 250GB of redundant
storage.

You can do the same thin with the 35GB Iomega REV drive, but you'll pay
roughly the same price, but only end up with 35GB of redundant storage.
At ~7x higher cost per GB, the REV is a lousy product choice.


Antony wrote:
> Evening all
>
> I would like to start archiving the 80gb of photos which are
> currently on my hard drive to Dvd, however i'm a little
> confused as i don't know which brand or dye to use.


Unfortunately, I'd say the answer is "None of them".

And this has nothing to do with Brand A vs B, etc. Its the DVD format
itself.

Check out Ken Rockwell's website. He states:

"...Even worse, DVDs were never designed with the error correction
levels of CDs and I've heard people who know warn against them for data
archiving. We designed the DVD for MPG video where we can loose
data..."

In other words, the DVD format does not have a robust data error
checking built into its encoding scheme on purpose. Even using the
"best" media can't eliminate this as a basic architectural limitation.

- - -

What was recommended to me was to get an external USB/Firewire drive
enclosure that uses standard 3.5" hard drives that each gets mounted on
a removable sled. Here's one example of one such product (no
endorsement implied):

http://www.firewiremax.com/fire-wire...remcaskit.html

The archiving plan is 3 copies, so you buy 1 enclosure + 3 sleds + 3
drives.

For the above example vendor, the enclosure + sleds runs $85 + 3*$14 =
$127, plus pricewatch is claiming that 250GB drives are currently
running just over $100 each, so for ~$500, you get 250GB of redundant
storage.

You can do the same thin with the 35GB Iomega REV drive, but you'll pay
roughly the same price, but only end up with 35GB of redundant storage.
At ~7x higher cost per GB, the REV is a poor value.


FWIW, since you're only looking for 80GB of storage, you could back
down from 250GB drives to 160GB drives (only 2x the 80GB you currently
say you need) and these are currently ~$65 each, so the total cost
would come down to around $350.


-hh

 
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