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TS wrote:

> Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives
> to ever be created?
> I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio
> Carbon or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a
> 40GB hard drive from a full sized iPod would work pretty well in a
> camcorder.
> Why are people opposed to it?

Sony makes a camera with a built in CD burner. All you have to
do to view your photos is pop out the CD and place it in your
computer's CDROM.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/cd1000.html

Somehow this configuration isn't popular. Small removable media
seems to be most preferred.

They've already made hard drives small enough to fit in the place of a
type II CF card.. They may have 40+ gigs capacity some day.

Of course, they may have solid state 40 gig cards in the future too.

Who knows

In article < >, maxview80
@hotmail.com says...
>
>Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives
>to ever be created?
>I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio
>Carbon or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a
>40GB hard drive from a full sized iPod would work pretty well in a
>camcorder.
>Why are people opposed to it?

Nikon has an iPod-like separate 30GB HDD unit with 2.5" viewing screen and CF
card reader. It's not built into the D70 & DX cameras, but serves the basic
purpose.

Hunt

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:13:39 +0000, Mike Brodbelt
<mike@_nospam_coruscant.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:35:31 -0800, TS wrote:
>
>> Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives to
>> ever be created?
>
>Yes:-
>
>http://www.jvc.com/presentations/everio/

That camera uses what the site calls "4GB Microdrive® Removable
Media".
There's a drawing that seems to indicate that the Microdrive they use
is larger than a similar CFG card using a Microdrive, but there's
nothing to indicate that they are not using a standard CF/Microdrive
card, and nothing to indicate that the drawing is to scale.
The site indicates that the Microdrive is removable, and can be "set"
into a PC, but does not indicate the form factor of the removable
drive, or any specific reader to handle their particular Microdrive.
Based on this, I am concluding that they use a standard CF/Microdrive
card, and using Ad-speak to cloud the issue.
>
>> I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio Carbon
>> or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a 40GB hard
>> drive from a full sized iPod would work pretty well in a camcorder. Why
>> are people opposed to it?
>
>They're just slow getting there.
>
>Mike.

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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:13:39 +0000, Mike Brodbelt
<mike@_nospam_coruscant.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:35:31 -0800, TS wrote:
>
>> Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives to
>> ever be created?
>
>Yes:-
>
>http://www.jvc.com/presentations/everio/

On closer examination, the camera uses Microdrive/CD/SD cards.
No inbuilt hard drive. Just the ability to use CF/Microdrive cards,
with ad-speak used to impress/confuse the reader.

Look here:
http://www.jvc.com/presentations/eve...iew/index.html
and look to the right of the box that says "Print Service". It explais
what the icons in the diagram mean.

"When the media created with Everio is set into a PC* or Everio is
connected to a PC via a USB 2.0 port, you can play and store data,
burn it to a DVD, upload it to the Internet or print it.
*May require an adapter."
No mention of where to buy the adapter, nor any indication the adapter
needed is anything other than a standard CF or SD reader.

>
>> I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio Carbon
>> or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a 40GB hard
>> drive from a full sized iPod would work pretty well in a camcorder. Why
>> are people opposed to it?
>
>They're just slow getting there.
>
>Mike.

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Change "g" to "a"

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:47:13 -0700, Big Bill <> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:13:39 +0000, Mike Brodbelt
><mike@_nospam_coruscant.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:35:31 -0800, TS wrote:
>>
>>> Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives to
>>> ever be created?
>>
>>Yes:-
>>
>>http://www.jvc.com/presentations/everio/
>
>On closer examination, the camera uses Microdrive/CD/SD cards.

Darn fat fingers! That should read, "Microdrive/CF/SD cards".

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80x speed-12gb compactflash card
http://www.pretec.com/product/SSD/CF...Cheetah80X.htm
Only $9,999
Pete
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> TS wrote:
>
>> Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives
>> to ever be created?
>> I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio
>> Carbon or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a
>> 40GB hard drive from a full sized iPod would work pretty well in a
>> camcorder.
>> Why are people opposed to it?
>
> Sony makes a camera with a built in CD burner. All you have to
> do to view your photos is pop out the CD and place it in your
> computer's CDROM.
>
> http://www.steves-digicams.com/cd1000.html
>
> Somehow this configuration isn't popular. Small removable media
> seems to be most preferred.
>
> They've already made hard drives small enough to fit in the place of a
> type II CF card.. They may have 40+ gigs capacity some day.
>
> Of course, they may have solid state 40 gig cards in the future too.
>
> Who knows
>
>

"""""" wrote:

> 80x speed-12gb compactflash card
> http://www.pretec.com/product/SSD/CF...Cheetah80X.htm
> Only $9,999
> Pete

I think half the group just fainted dead away. Yikes!

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(TS) writes:
>Any plans for digital cameras and camcorders with built-in hard drives
>to ever be created?
>I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio
>Carbon or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a
>40GB hard drive from a full sized iPod would work pretty well in a
>camcorder.
>Why are people opposed to it?

Who's opposed to it?

The very early Kodak digital cameras used by news photographers had a
couple of PCMCIA slots that took plug-in hard drives. I think they were
a few hundred MB (not GB) each.

I know I've seen an ENG (electronic news gathering) camera, of the sort
that TV station remote trucks use, that used a hard disk for storage.

You can buy microdrives in the form of a CF Type II card and use them in
many digital cameras today.

However, hard drives are less robust than solid-state flash RAM chips,
and they cost a lot more per byte than magnetic tape. So far, they have
not taken over from these other forms because they're not uniformly
better.

Dave

>>I would think the little 5GB drives similar to what's in in a Rio
>>Carbon or iPod Mini could work very well in a digital camera and a

I saw a site once explaining how to remove the drive from a creative labs mp3
player and plug it right into the card slot of a Nikon.

Can't find it now of course, but it proves it's possible. And much cheaper than
buying the drive on its own.

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Kibo informs me that Jer <> stated that:

>"""""" wrote:
>
>> 80x speed-12gb compactflash card
>> http://www.pretec.com/product/SSD/CF...Cheetah80X.htm
>> Only $9,999
>> Pete
>
>I think half the group just fainted dead away. Yikes!

On the bright side, you can buy 2 of the 6GB version of the same card
for only $800 each.

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