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I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50, is
being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...

A site has been set up at www. moneyfactory.com to allow low-res images of
bills to be made available for use by artists etc.
Anyone know anything more about this, and it there is any possibility of
problems for legit users?

MJ

"mcgyverjones" <mcgyverjones(spamout)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
>anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
> I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50,
> is being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of
> scanners, printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
> Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
> to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...

It chews up the $50 bill and prints out 5 x $1 bills!! But the Treasury
Dept will rebate the $45. You have to pick it up in person and be wearing
striped pants and shirt when you do!!!

..

Try it yourself and see...I know I will as soon as I can scrape $50
together. Having previously worked as a printer I know the temptation to
print paper money instead of printing paper to trade for money. But most
counterfeiting is done with other things then currency.

"mcgyverjones" <mcgyverjones(spamout)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HOk8d.12539$. ..
> I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
> anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
> I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50,
is
> being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
> printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
> Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
> to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...
>
> A site has been set up at www. moneyfactory.com to allow low-res images of
> bills to be made available for use by artists etc.
> Anyone know anything more about this, and it there is any possibility of
> problems for legit users?
>
> MJ
>
>

mcgyverjones wrote:

> I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
> anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
> I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50, is
> being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
> printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
> Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
> to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...


The designs of new bills are made to create artifacts when copied. Artifacts
include areas that copy as white or black instead of the original grey,
microprint that cannot be resolved and the creation of moiré patterns that
identify the fake bill. There are likely other clever things happening too.
Some currency (where the hell was I?) now includes a "watermark" so to speak in
a clear (acetate like) area of the bill.

Cheers,
Alan

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"mcgyverjones" <mcgyverjones(spamout)@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HOk8d.12539$. ..
> I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
> anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
> I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50, is
> being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
> printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
> Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
> to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...
>
> A site has been set up at www. moneyfactory.com to allow low-res images of
> bills to be made available for use by artists etc.
> Anyone know anything more about this, and it there is any possibility of
> problems for legit users?

Yes, this technology is already in both Photoshop CS and the
most recent version of PSP. If you try to scan in one of the new
$20 bills it won't allow you, and you'll get a nasty message about
being a bad person.

The check was voluntarily implemented by Adobe and others at
the request of a conglomeration of U.S. and international banking
interests, not governments. On those grounds alone I have major
problems with it. I mean what's next, checking to see if we're
scanning corporate logos? Developers have opened a Pandora's
Box of potential intrusions by agreeing to include this technology
in their products.

The currency check is causing problems for quite a few people,
e.g. those who actually do need to scan money for business
purposes (e.g. currency traders, etc). And apparently some
people (e.g. government officials) can get a special version of
PS that doesn't include this check. There's also a patch available
for PS that will bypasss the check. Don't know if the same is
available for PSP. Ask in one of the binary Usenet groups.

Rick

"mcgyverjones" <mcgyverjones(spamout)@hotmail.com> writes:

> I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
> anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.

Yeah, it was admitted by one and all months ago. See, for example,
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...7674024.htm?1c
(breaking news back in January).

> I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50, is
> being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
> printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.

No, it started with the peach $20 in the US. It's also built into foreign
currency, too.

> Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
> to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...

Not sketchy, and the details are know. The software prevents the scanner
from working properly and obtaining a good image. There's a pattern built
into the currencies that the scanning software recognizes and won't copy.

Somebody posted images (scanned with pre-anti-counterfeiting software, I
presume) of several currencies, and the pattern is quite clear. I had a
peach 20 and compared it to the images, and the pattern was quite clearly
there. Don't have one on me at the moment, so I can't direct you to it. On
a 20, it's on the back of the bill and I recall it's lots of little "20"s
printed in a repeating pattern. If you download the back of the 50 from
moneyfactory.com, the little gold 50s are there. The 50s are in a
particular pattern which the scanning software recognizes. Foreign
currencies employ the same pattern in more creative ways. It's the pattern,
not the numbers, that are recognized, and some currencies employ the
pattern as part of an attractive design.
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mcgyverjones wrote:

> I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
> anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
> I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50, is
> being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
> printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
> Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
> to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...
>
> A site has been set up at www. moneyfactory.com to allow low-res images of
> bills to be made available for use by artists etc.
> Anyone know anything more about this, and it there is any possibility of
> problems for legit users?
>
> MJ
>
>
The so called "anti-counterfeiting measures" are a constalation image
which triggers the refusal to scan at 1 to1 ratio. It is not on all
bills although Europe has signaled their acceptance of the technology.

It is possible to scan at different resolutions with different software
but basically it is intended to avoid oportunist forgeries. It sertainly
won't stop a skilled person.

COE

Alan Browne wrote:


> The designs of new bills are made to create artifacts when copied. Artifacts
> include areas that copy as white or black instead of the original grey,
> microprint that cannot be resolved and the creation of moiré patterns that
> identify the fake bill. There are likely other clever things happening too.
> Some currency (where the hell was I?) now includes a "watermark" so to speak in
> a clear (acetate like) area of the bill.

I've seen where they mix short glass fibers in with the paper.. The light from
scanner causes many random sparkles to appear on the copy.

> Some currency (where the hell was I?) now includes a "watermark" so to speak in
> a clear (acetate like) area of the bill.

Australia and New Zealand print on sheets of clear mylar plastic instead of paper.
They leave a small area uninked that you can see through.

Jim Townsend wrote:

> Australia and New Zealand print on sheets of clear mylar plastic instead of paper.
> They leave a small area uninked that you can see through.


Mexico is also doing this now.


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Rick wrote:

> "mcgyverjones" <mcgyverjones(spamout)@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HOk8d.12539$. ..
>
>>I remember a post from about a year ago debating the existance of
>>anticounterfeiting measures being built into printers and copiers.
>>I've been reading today that the new US currency, starting with the $50, is
>>being designed in conjunction with a number of manufacturers of scanners,
>>printers and software to make it impossible to copy the bill.
>>Details are sketchy, and what happens when the system detects a bill seems
>>to be unknown (does it delete the file, log you on a DB...
>>
>>A site has been set up at www. moneyfactory.com to allow low-res images of
>>bills to be made available for use by artists etc.
>>Anyone know anything more about this, and it there is any possibility of
>>problems for legit users?
>
>
> Yes, this technology is already in both Photoshop CS and the
> most recent version of PSP. If you try to scan in one of the new
> $20 bills it won't allow you, and you'll get a nasty message about
> being a bad person.
>
> The check was voluntarily implemented by Adobe and others at
> the request of a conglomeration of U.S. and international banking
> interests, not governments. On those grounds alone I have major
> problems with it. I mean what's next, checking to see if we're
> scanning corporate logos? Developers have opened a Pandora's
> Box of potential intrusions by agreeing to include this technology
> in their products.
>
> The currency check is causing problems for quite a few people,
> e.g. those who actually do need to scan money for business
> purposes (e.g. currency traders, etc). And apparently some
> people (e.g. government officials) can get a special version of
> PS that doesn't include this check. There's also a patch available
> for PS that will bypasss the check. Don't know if the same is
> available for PSP. Ask in one of the binary Usenet groups.
>
> Rick
>
>

I wish somebody would design a butt filter for the copy machine.
Failing that, maybe the machine could spank it.

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