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Eric Peterson
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      09-17-2004
I have to make a decision between an epson 9600 plotter (with network card)
in my office, or co-purchasing an hp 1055cm (with 2gb hard disk and extended
warrantee) with another office. Neither of our offices process so much that
there would be conflict in using the printer. I'm looking for any thoughts
or opinions on these printers.

To help stir-up some ideas, here are my premature opinions:

1. Both options cost us about the same (full price of the epson or half
price of the hp).

2. Our printing is mainly maps, but often involving satellite imagery, and
occasional landscape photos, so sharp, clear, high resolution prints are of
some interest, though absolute color precision (such as in professional
photography) is not a big deal.

3. Since we are a small office without opportunities to upgrade, or even
repair, expensive equipment often, reliability and durability are also a
factor.

4. One might think that since the hp is a more expensive printer, it should
be a better and more durable printer...?

5. We currently have an old, hp 755cm - its problems with detecting
cartridge placement, and having printing errors 3/4 of the way through a
poster-size print with no prior notification, has left a bad taste in my
mouth about hp printers.

6. We are in Nevada, where the humidity is so low that our 755cm cartridges
frequently dry and clog - I've taken to keeping them in a humidified
tupperware container between print jobs. Any similar experience with the
1055 cartridges or 9600 cartridges would be useful to hear about!

7. The epson claims to alow cartridge replacement mid-print, the hp does
not appear to make this claim. (One headache with our 755 has been
cartridges running out mid-print)

8. The epson uses 7 colors (vs the hp 4) and has a higher resolution - does
this really translate to much difference in print sharpness or ink use
efficiency?

9. The hp adds a hard disk, does this really make much difference for print
jobs?

10. With the epson, we would probably just take the 1 year warrantee, with
the hp we would probably go with a 3 year warrantee... any warrantee
experience with these printers would be good to know about.

Thanks!
-Eric



 
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Mark
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      09-17-2004
I just bought a HP 1055cm Plus. I settled on this model because of the
Paper handling (Multi-roll Feeder). Further opinions expressed below:

"Eric Peterson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I have to make a decision between an epson 9600 plotter (with network

card)
> in my office, or co-purchasing an hp 1055cm (with 2gb hard disk and

extended
> warrantee) with another office. Neither of our offices process so much

that
> there would be conflict in using the printer. I'm looking for any

thoughts
> or opinions on these printers.
>
> To help stir-up some ideas, here are my premature opinions:
>
> 1. Both options cost us about the same (full price of the epson or half
> price of the hp).
>
> 2. Our printing is mainly maps, but often involving satellite imagery, and
> occasional landscape photos, so sharp, clear, high resolution prints are

of
> some interest, though absolute color precision (such as in professional
> photography) is not a big deal.


IMHO Epson Plotter had better output than the HP
>
> 3. Since we are a small office without opportunities to upgrade, or even
> repair, expensive equipment often, reliability and durability are also a
> factor.


I haven't had the plotter long enough to comment on durability, but on
initial impression, the HP seems ruggedly built (Esp. compared to the HP
750C that it replaced)
>
> 4. One might think that since the hp is a more expensive printer, it

should
> be a better and more durable printer...?
>

????
> 5. We currently have an old, hp 755cm - its problems with detecting
> cartridge placement, and having printing errors 3/4 of the way through a
> poster-size print with no prior notification, has left a bad taste in my
> mouth about hp printers.


My 750C had problems running out of memory quite often (esp. on 36" wide
stuff). Haven't had any problems with the 1055 so far. And I'm using the
post script drivers
>
> 6. We are in Nevada, where the humidity is so low that our 755cm

cartridges
> frequently dry and clog - I've taken to keeping them in a humidified
> tupperware container between print jobs. Any similar experience with the
> 1055 cartridges or 9600 cartridges would be useful to hear about!
>

The 1055 uses separate replaceable printheads. According to the literature,
you should only have to replace the print heads until after 3-4 cartridges.
And these are BIG cartridges (Physical size about 3"x5".

> 7. The epson claims to alow cartridge replacement mid-print, the hp does
> not appear to make this claim. (One headache with our 755 has been
> cartridges running out mid-print)


Cartridges can be switched mid-print. I haven't had the oppurtunity to try
this yet, but I did remove and re-install a cartridge in mid print and it
didn't even hiccup!
>
> 8. The epson uses 7 colors (vs the hp 4) and has a higher resolution -

does
> this really translate to much difference in print sharpness or ink use
> efficiency?


From what I looked at, the Epson had better image quality. The printers I
have used with 6-7 colors does not translate into more efficient ink use
>
> 9. The hp adds a hard disk, does this really make much difference for

print
> jobs?


For really big jobs, for repeat jobs and for multiple copies
>
> 10. With the epson, we would probably just take the 1 year warrantee,

with
> the hp we would probably go with a 3 year warrantee... any warrantee
> experience with these printers would be good to know about.


It all depends on the VAR (provided that you are buying thru a VAR, If you
are not, I would recommend finding one. VARS have a lot more pull to get to
technical resources. And I actually got a better price through a VAR than
buying direct from HP.

>
> Thanks!
> -Eric
>
>


I hope all of this helps

Mark


 
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Savidge4
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      09-17-2004
>I have to make a decision between an epson 9600 plotter (with network card)
>in my office, or co-purchasing an hp 1055cm (with 2gb hard disk and extended
>warrantee) with another office. Neither of our offices process so much that
>there would be conflict in using the printer. I'm looking for any thoughts
>or opinions on these printers.
>
>To help stir-up some ideas, here are my premature opinions:
>
>1. Both options cost us about the same (full price of the epson or half
>price of the hp).
>
>2. Our printing is mainly maps, but often involving satellite imagery, and
>occasional landscape photos, so sharp, clear, high resolution prints are of
>some interest, though absolute color precision (such as in professional
>photography) is not a big deal.
>
>3. Since we are a small office without opportunities to upgrade, or even
>repair, expensive equipment often, reliability and durability are also a
>factor.
>
>4. One might think that since the hp is a more expensive printer, it should
>be a better and more durable printer...?
>
>5. We currently have an old, hp 755cm - its problems with detecting
>cartridge placement, and having printing errors 3/4 of the way through a
>poster-size print with no prior notification, has left a bad taste in my
>mouth about hp printers.
>
>6. We are in Nevada, where the humidity is so low that our 755cm cartridges
>frequently dry and clog - I've taken to keeping them in a humidified
>tupperware container between print jobs. Any similar experience with the
>1055 cartridges or 9600 cartridges would be useful to hear about!
>
>7. The epson claims to alow cartridge replacement mid-print, the hp does
>not appear to make this claim. (One headache with our 755 has been
>cartridges running out mid-print)
>
>8. The epson uses 7 colors (vs the hp 4) and has a higher resolution - does
>this really translate to much difference in print sharpness or ink use
>efficiency?
>
>9. The hp adds a hard disk, does this really make much difference for print
>jobs?
>
>10. With the epson, we would probably just take the 1 year warrantee, with
>the hp we would probably go with a 3 year warrantee... any warrantee
>experience with these printers would be good to know about.
>


Have you considered the HP Designjet 500? It uses the same dye based ink as
the 1055 but gives you better print quality for less than half the price. just
add on the HP-GL/2 accessory card and get the 160 MB max memory. This plotter
was my personal choice for my Dye based ink system. Another plotter to
consider is the Designjet 800. it has 2x the print quality and is stil in the
$4000.00 range.

The thing you want to consider is the ink systems. The Epson is Pigment ink,
and the HP's are Dye ink. If Pigment ink is a consideration for you, the HP
Designjet 5500 at right under $12,000.00 is your real consideration. you can
find HP Designjet 5000's here and there for $5000.00 to $9000.00 and they are
the same more or less to the 5500 but print slower.

With regard to the HP line, i personally would not touch the 1055, it is a
waste of money. The 500 and especially the 800 are a whole lot more machine,
for far less money.

Hope that helps!
 
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wayne
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      09-17-2004
I can't speak for the Epson but we have several HP 1055cms in our offices we
use them for cad drawing mostly and thy do real well the new models are a
big improvement over the 75X series of plotters. For quality work I would
look at a colorspan printer

http://www.creativepro.com/story/news/9339.html

Not that cheap but we have a X-12 in our graphics department and there is no
contest as to the output quality. The colorspan unit use 1 liter boxes of
ink and there are many different kinds available we use 2 sets of 6 colors
for additional speed and have been very happy with the quality. It may be
more than you wanted to spend but there is a whole word of difference in the
quality the entry level colorspan lists for 14K

Wayne


"Eric Peterson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:RaF2d.4393$(E-Mail Removed) m...
>I have to make a decision between an Epson 9600 plotter (with network card)
> in my office, or co-purchasing an hp 1055cm (with 2gb hard disk and
> extended
> warrantee) with another office. Neither of our offices process so much
> that
> there would be conflict in using the printer. I'm looking for any
> thoughts
> or opinions on these printers.
>
> To help stir-up some ideas, here are my premature opinions:
>
> 1. Both options cost us about the same (full price of the epson or half
> price of the hp).
>
> 2. Our printing is mainly maps, but often involving satellite imagery, and
> occasional landscape photos, so sharp, clear, high resolution prints are
> of
> some interest, though absolute color precision (such as in professional
> photography) is not a big deal.
>
> 3. Since we are a small office without opportunities to upgrade, or even
> repair, expensive equipment often, reliability and durability are also a
> factor.
>
> 4. One might think that since the hp is a more expensive printer, it
> should
> be a better and more durable printer...?
>
> 5. We currently have an old, hp 755cm - its problems with detecting
> cartridge placement, and having printing errors 3/4 of the way through a
> poster-size print with no prior notification, has left a bad taste in my
> mouth about hp printers.
>
> 6. We are in Nevada, where the humidity is so low that our 755cm
> cartridges
> frequently dry and clog - I've taken to keeping them in a humidified
> tupperware container between print jobs. Any similar experience with the
> 1055 cartridges or 9600 cartridges would be useful to hear about!
>
> 7. The epson claims to alow cartridge replacement mid-print, the hp does
> not appear to make this claim. (One headache with our 755 has been
> cartridges running out mid-print)
>
> 8. The epson uses 7 colors (vs the hp 4) and has a higher resolution -
> does
> this really translate to much difference in print sharpness or ink use
> efficiency?
>
> 9. The hp adds a hard disk, does this really make much difference for
> print
> jobs?
>
> 10. With the epson, we would probably just take the 1 year warrantee,
> with
> the hp we would probably go with a 3 year warrantee... any warrantee
> experience with these printers would be good to know about.
>
> Thanks!
> -Eric
>
>
>



 
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bob
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      09-18-2004
"Eric Peterson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:RaF2d.4393
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> 5. We currently have an old, hp 755cm - its problems with detecting
> cartridge placement, and having printing errors 3/4 of the way through a
> poster-size print with no prior notification, has left a bad taste in my
> mouth about hp printers.
>



We just got a used 755cm for printing maps and things. I like it pretty
well. Do you have the new drivers? I think they're from April... I have
seen printing errors on some of the prints.

As to your real question, based on the advertising and specs, my
_impression_ is that HP is more interested in business graphics, while
epson is more interested in photography.

What I would do if I were you is make a sample of something you typically
print (as a pdf) and get them printed on each printer.

If you share the printer, who's going to be responsible for the supplies...

Bob

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