creating subtitles - warning: newbie ahead

Hi all,

I recently bought a BBC dvd which only has English subtitles (for the
hearing impaired). Is anyone aware of a method to

* rip these subtitles from the dvd (retaining the original timeslots,
preferably)
* edit these subtitles (in this case, translating them using some kind
of word processor)
* merge film, audio and the (edited) subtitles again onto a blanc
disc?

Grateful for any help - I did a newsgroup search, but haven't found
any useful hints so far.

Joachim

Joachim

On 10 Feb 2007 08:37:36 -0800, "Joachim" <> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I recently bought a BBC dvd which only has English subtitles (for the
>hearing impaired). Is anyone aware of a method to
>
>* rip these subtitles from the dvd (retaining the original timeslots,
>preferably)
>* edit these subtitles (in this case, translating them using some kind
>of word processor)
>* merge film, audio and the (edited) subtitles again onto a blanc
>disc?
>
>Grateful for any help - I did a newsgroup search, but haven't found
>any useful hints so far.
>
>Joachim

I may not have all the answers (correct answers) but here are options:

Demux the DVD into its elementary streams (ES). To do this, go to
http://www.videohelp.com and under 'Tools' at the top search for
Pgcdemux or VOBEdit (there are others). Demuxing will give you video,
audio and subtitles (if you choose to). This is not a lengthily
process if dealing with IFO and VOB files. While you are at videohelp
search for subtitleworkshop also.

I don't know any word processor that will translate the subtitles for
you but I suggest you go to one of the sites below and search for the
subtitle in the language of your choice.

http://divxstation.com/subtitles.asp
http://subtitles.images.o2.cz/
http://www.opensubtitles.org/en
http://www.subtitlesbox.com/

Use subtitleworkshop to make any changes to your new found subtitle.
It is a wonderful program but with too many options to try and explain
here.

To merge everything back together again you will need an authoring
program. I only use the expensive ones (Abobe Encore and DVD LabPro)
but there is probably something at videohelp that you can also use.

There may be an easier way to do what you want to do but I am unaware
of any.
Good luck

Snapper

Thanks. I'll give it a try as soon as possible.

Joachim

Joachim

Hi,

I'm getting there - slowly but surely. Using DVD Encrypter and DVD
shrink, I've ripped the dvd to my hard disk. Next issue: there are
no pre-formatted subtitles available over the internet. However, the
DVD itself contains a set of subtitles (English for the hearing
impaired). If I were able to open those as a separate file in
SubtitleWorkshop, I could translate them myself and subsequently save
the file after having overwritten the orginal subtitles. Problem: I
can't locate the file containing those original titles - DVD Shrink
only gives .bup, .vob and .ifo files. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Joachim

Joachim

"Joachim" <> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I'm getting there - slowly but surely. Using DVD Encrypter
> and DVD
> shrink, I've ripped the dvd to my hard disk. Next issue:
> there are
> no pre-formatted subtitles available over the internet.
> However, the
> DVD itself contains a set of subtitles (English for the
> hearing
> impaired). If I were able to open those as a separate file in
> SubtitleWorkshop, I could translate them myself and
> subsequently save
> the file after having overwritten the orginal subtitles.
> Problem: I
> can't locate the file containing those original titles - DVD
> Shrink
> only gives .bup, .vob and .ifo files. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Joachim
>

I have occasionally pulled the American subtitles out of British
movies, so that I could understand what was being mumbled on
screen by those playing aristocracy ;-0)

I use SubRip
(http://www.digital-digest.com/softwa...&ssid=0&did=1),
an OCR symbol learning program which creates an editable text
file.

I would not call its interface intuitive, but it's also not
difficult to figure it out.

Since you're going to translate the text you extract, you'll not
need to go thru the extra steps of resolving confused characters
(some of which have been operator error as well as OCR misfires)
and spell checking.

In the case of SubRip, you just point it to the first VOB.

Bill's News

On 17 Feb 2007 02:48:35 -0800, "Joachim" <> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm getting there - slowly but surely. Using DVD Encrypter and DVD
>shrink, I've ripped the dvd to my hard disk. Next issue: there are
>no pre-formatted subtitles available over the internet. However, the
>DVD itself contains a set of subtitles (English for the hearing
>impaired). If I were able to open those as a separate file in
>SubtitleWorkshop, I could translate them myself and subsequently save
>the file after having overwritten the orginal subtitles. Problem: I
>can't locate the file containing those original titles - DVD Shrink
>only gives .bup, .vob and .ifo files. Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Joachim

This may not be the best way to extract subtitles but it is the method
I have used for quite awhile.

Go to http://www.videohelp.com and under 'TOOLS' look for the
following programs:
PgcDemux
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tools...uthorfeatures=

and DVDSubEdit
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tools...uthorfeatures=

Run PgcDemux and input the VTS_????.IFO file and select an output
folder. Keep the 'Mode' by PGC. Since you are concerned with only
the subtitles the only 'Options' you'll need is 'Demux all subpic
streams'. A 'Domain' of Titles is all I use. Hit the 'Process!'
button. Your output file will have an extension of *.SUP. I forget
what the filename will be.

Next run DVDSubEdit and under 'File' select 'Open .SUP file'. Enter
you just created .SUP file. It will probably ask you for an IFO file
also but it is not needed. In the lower right hand corner click the
'Run OCR' button. When the process is complete click the 'Save as
..srt' button and specify a file name.

You now have a text file (.SRT) that you can edit in Notepad or MS
Word. All you need to do is open the new .SRT file in two Notepads or
two MS Words, using one as original and the other for your modified
language file, then saving it under a different name.

Some folks use SubRip to do the above but I have no luck using it most
of the time. The OCR in DVDSubEdit works better, IMO and you do not
have to tell it how to convert.

There may be easier ways to do what I described above but this method
works best for me.

Good luck.

Snapper

Thanks for all the advice. I now have a .txt file which contains the
title numbers, the time line and and the text I want to use. I used
SubRip to overwrite the original titles. The end result looks like
this:

1
00:05:35,773 --> 00:05:40,722
Dit is één van de koudste plekken op aarde.
De zuidpool.

2
00:05:40,893 --> 00:05:45,648
Het kwik kan zakken tot 50 graden onder het vriespunt.

3
00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:51,171
Zonder dit speciale pak,
zou ik in enkele minuten doodvriezen.

etc.

The file has also been saved as an .srt file. Strangely enough,
Subtitle Workshop keeps telling me it's unsupported or a bad file.
How do I proceed from here? Sorry to keep bothering you with these
(probably stupid) questions, but there don't seem to be that many
manuals about to deal with this sort of thing.

Cordially,

Joachim

Joachim

On 18 Feb 2007 12:33:44 -0800, "Joachim" <> wrote:

>Thanks for all the advice. I now have a .txt file which contains the
>title numbers, the time line and and the text I want to use. I used
>SubRip to overwrite the original titles. The end result looks like
>this:
>
>1
>00:05:35,773 --> 00:05:40,722
>Dit is één van de koudste plekken op aarde.
>De zuidpool.
>
>2
>00:05:40,893 --> 00:05:45,648
>Het kwik kan zakken tot 50 graden onder het vriespunt.
>
>3
>00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:51,171
>Zonder dit speciale pak,
>zou ik in enkele minuten doodvriezen.
>
>etc.
>
>The file has also been saved as an .srt file. Strangely enough,
>Subtitle Workshop keeps telling me it's unsupported or a bad file.
>How do I proceed from here? Sorry to keep bothering you with these
>(probably stupid) questions, but there don't seem to be that many
>manuals about to deal with this sort of thing.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Joachim

In the past I have had subtitleworkshop tell me the same thing,
invalid format. Open the file in Notepad and do a 'Save As…'. At the
bottom of Notepad there will be an 'Encoding…' drop down box. Select
ANSI from the options and then try to load the file into
subtitleworkshop again.

The sample you supplied looks like what a .SRT file is supposed to
look like as far as I can tell. Having a file with the wrong encoding
format has always been the reason for me getting the error message you
are getting.

I hope that helps.
Good luck

Snapper

It did the trick - thanks for that. I now get Subtitle Workshop to
load the file, but I only get the (correct) time slots on screen, the
'text' column stays blank. How do I proceed from here?

Thanks in advance.

Joachim

Joachim

Got that to work, too. Time slots and text ok.

Joachim