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I often use self-closing tags (such as <br/>) when creating an ASP.NET
application. However, when I enter them in Visual Studio .NET 2005, it
automatically inserts a space before the />. In most cases this does not
bother me, but for tags such as <br/> that I usually do not use any
attributes with I prefer not to have the extra space. I there a way to
prevent Visual Studio .NET 2005 from inserting the extra space before the />
at the end of the tag? Thanks.
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Nathan Sokalski

http://www.nathansokalski.com/

"Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in message
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> I there a way to prevent Visual Studio .NET 2005 from inserting the extra
> space before the /> at the end of the tag?

Do you *really* want your code to be non XHTML-compliant and non
cross-browser compatible...?
http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_howto.asp

Is <br/> really non XHTML-compliant? Visual Studio .NET might try to create
<br /> instead, but it doesn't mark my tags with a warning or anything. I
didn't think getting rid of the space before the / was breaking the rules of
XHTML. Is it?
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Nathan Sokalski

http://www.nathansokalski.com/

"Mark Rae" <> wrote in message
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> "Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in message
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>> I there a way to prevent Visual Studio .NET 2005 from inserting the extra
>> space before the /> at the end of the tag?
>
> Do you *really* want your code to be non XHTML-compliant and non
> cross-browser compatible...?
> http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_howto.asp
>

"Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in message
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> Is <br/> really non XHTML-compliant? Visual Studio .NET might try to
> create <br /> instead, but it doesn't mark my tags with a warning or
> anything. I didn't think getting rid of the space before the / was
> breaking the rules of XHTML. Is it?

It is, in the sense that the XHTML specification quite clearly specifies <br
/>, not <br/>

Some browsers e.g. Netscape don't understand <br/>

Your call...

[ Excessive newsgroup list trimmed in this reply. ]

Nathan,

> I didn't think getting rid of the space before the / was breaking the
> rules of XHTML. Is it?

No need to worry, it is OK to both include or leave out the space before the
"/>" characters.

From the XML 1.1 specification (XHTML is based on XML) published by W3C:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xml11/#sec-starttags

....you may find definition #44, which defines an empty tag like <BR> as
follows:

EmptyElemTag ::= '<' Name (S Attribute)* S? '/>'

Here, "Name" is the name of the tag, i.e. "BR", and "S" stands for a white
space, like a space or tab (one or more). At the end, there's "S?" and
followed with the "/>" characters. The question mark after the "S" is an
occurrence indicator, and means that the white space can exist, or not exist
at all.

So, both "<BR/>" and "<BR />" are correct as far as the specification goes,
but the latter might be a bit easier to read (subjective) whereas the former
takes little less space.

Happy New Year!

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Regards,

Mr. Jani Järvinen
C# MVP
Helsinki, Finland

http://www.saunalahti.fi/janij/

"Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in
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> I often use self-closing tags (such as <br/>) when creating an ASP.NET
> application. However, when I enter them in Visual Studio .NET 2005, it
> automatically inserts a space before the />. In most cases this does
> not bother me, but for tags such as <br/> that I usually do not use
> any attributes with I prefer not to have the extra space. I there a
> way to prevent Visual Studio .NET 2005 from inserting the extra space
> before the /> at the end of the tag? Thanks.

You wouldn't want to do this. It is merely following the XHTML
standards.

Martin

"Nathan Sokalski" <> schrieb:
> Is <br/> really non XHTML-compliant?

No, it is valid XHTML.

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M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

"Mark Rae" <> wrote in message
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> "Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in message
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>> Is <br/> really non XHTML-compliant? Visual Studio .NET might try to
>> create <br /> instead, but it doesn't mark my tags with a warning or
>> anything. I didn't think getting rid of the space before the / was
>> breaking the rules of XHTML. Is it?
>
> It is, in the sense that the XHTML specification quite clearly specifies
> <br />, not <br/>
>
> Some browsers e.g. Netscape don't understand <br/>
>
> Your call...

Just to be *absolutely* clear on this:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#prohibitions

Read paragraph C.2

> You wouldn't want to do this. It is merely following the XHTML
> standards.
Umm...

According to the W3C Markup Validation Service http://validator.w3.org/ both
<br/> and <br /> compliant XHTML 1.1!

Remember the w3.org is the group that defines the standard.

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Hope this helps
Jay B. Harlow
..NET Application Architect, Enthusiast, & Evangelist
T.S. Bradley - http://www.tsbradley.net


"Martin Milan" <> wrote in message
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> "Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in
> news::
>
>> I often use self-closing tags (such as <br/>) when creating an ASP.NET
>> application. However, when I enter them in Visual Studio .NET 2005, it
>> automatically inserts a space before the />. In most cases this does
>> not bother me, but for tags such as <br/> that I usually do not use
>> any attributes with I prefer not to have the extra space. I there a
>> way to prevent Visual Studio .NET 2005 from inserting the extra space
>> before the /> at the end of the tag? Thanks.
>
> You wouldn't want to do this. It is merely following the XHTML
> standards.
>
> Martin

> Do you *really* want your code to be non XHTML-compliant and non
> cross-browser compatible...?
> http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_howto.asp
Unfortunately w3shcools.com is *not* the authority on internet standards.

Remember that http://www.w3.org is the group that defines the standard. I
would rely on w3.org for the authority on internet standards. Then rely on
other groups, such as w3shcools.com, for quirks (pun intended) that specific
browsers exhibit.

According to the W3C Markup Validation Service http://validator.w3.org/ both
<br/> and <br /> are compliant XHTML 1.1!

In fact the XHTML 1.0 Recommendation uses <br/> (no space) in their
examples! (heading 4.6 Empty Elements)

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/

Further depending on how old the howto page is, it may be totally
immaterial! What percentage of users, of the OP's web site, actually use
Netscape. What percentage of their users, use a version of Netscape that
exhibits the problem.

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Hope this helps
Jay B. Harlow
..NET Application Architect, Enthusiast, & Evangelist
T.S. Bradley - http://www.tsbradley.net


"Mark Rae" <> wrote in message
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> "Nathan Sokalski" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>> I there a way to prevent Visual Studio .NET 2005 from inserting the extra
>> space before the /> at the end of the tag?
>
> Do you *really* want your code to be non XHTML-compliant and non
> cross-browser compatible...?
> http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_howto.asp
>