Query

I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook (wireless)
also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq) with Win 98SE -
totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using a Black Box Router
(wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a PPPOE connection. The
Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer ports and all computers can
access each other incl printing thru a Epson Inkjet printer.

I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless facility. I
would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as all 5 can be used
simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the printer port of the Black
Box Router - atleast with the desktops.

Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless
Acer Notebook?

I shall be thankful for any suggestions
Capt K Ripendran

Capt K Ripendran

Hi
May be this can Help.
Wireless Router as an Access Point - http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq)
>with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using a
>Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a PPPOE
>connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer ports and
>all computers can access each other incl printing thru a Epson Inkjet
>printer.
>
> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless facility.
> I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as all 5 can be
> used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the printer port of the
> Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>
> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
> Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless
> Acer Notebook?
>
> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
> Capt K Ripendran
>

Jack \(MVP-Networking\).

I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the Black Box
Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port and USE the new
D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer Notebook?" No. What you can
do is turn the new D-link into an Access point for the Black Box Router, by
following the instructions given. You'll need to disable both the DHCP
server and the NAT in the D-link and assign the D-link a static IP address
with in the IP address range the Black box is using.


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"Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq)
>with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using a
>Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a PPPOE
>connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer ports and
>all computers can access each other incl printing thru a Epson Inkjet
>printer.
>
> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless facility.
> I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as all 5 can be
> used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the printer port of the
> Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>
> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
> Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless
> Acer Notebook?
>
> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
> Capt K Ripendran
>

David Hettel

Hi
It does not really matter the principle is the same.
If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router and
Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a printer
server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access Point. The
principle is exactly the same.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"David Hettel" <> wrote in message
news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the Black
> Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port and USE
> the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer Notebook?" No.
> What you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access point for the Black
> Box Router, by following the instructions given. You'll need to disable
> both the DHCP server and the NAT in the D-link and assign the D-link a
> static IP address with in the IP address range the Black box is using.
>
>
> --
> David Hettel
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
> everyone
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>
> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq)
>>with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using a
>>Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a PPPOE
>>connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer ports and
>>all computers can access each other incl printing thru a Epson Inkjet
>>printer.
>>
>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless facility.
>> I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as all 5 can be
>> used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the printer port of
>> the Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>>
>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
>> Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops +
>> Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>
>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>> Capt K Ripendran
>>
>

Jack \(MVP-Networking\).

I maybe wrong, and it may just be technical, but the question as I read it
was can he use the Black Box as an access point, my understanding was the
black box does not support wireless, ergo the black box can not be used as
an access point. "Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point..."
Also the Black Box which I am NOT familiar with supports a USB printer
connection, that he is using. As such I believe it's much easier to disable
the router and NAT on the D-Link box than on the Black Box. So from my
perspective the Black Box does NOT have wireless capabilities, and it does
have 2 USB printer ports, at least one of which is being used, I would
prefer to disable the brains of the D-Link than the brains of the Black Box.
Why run the risk of forcing him potentially to re-install the printers on
his computers?

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"Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Hi
> It does not really matter the principle is the same.
> If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router and
> Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a printer
> server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access Point. The
> principle is exactly the same.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
> news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
>> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the Black
>> Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port and USE the
>> new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer Notebook?" No. What
>> you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access point for the Black Box
>> Router, by following the instructions given. You'll need to disable both
>> the DHCP server and the NAT in the D-link and assign the D-link a static
>> IP address with in the IP address range the Black box is using.
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Hettel
>>
>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>> everyone
>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me
>> in
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq)
>>>with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using a
>>>Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a
>>>PPPOE connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer
>>>ports and all computers can access each other incl printing thru a Epson
>>>Inkjet printer.
>>>
>>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless
>>> facility. I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as
>>> all 5 can be used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the
>>> printer port of the Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>>>
>>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
>>> Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops +
>>> Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>>
>>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>>> Capt K Ripendran
>>>
>>
>
>

David Hettel

Gentlemen,
Thank you both for ALL the input. I will first have a GO as
follows:
Modem to D-Link(as an Access Point) and to Black Box.

NOW, my query is, what kind of cable do I use - Straight-through OR
Cross-over?! I am currently using Cat 5e supplied by the ISP from Modem Wan
to Black Box Wan port and
Cat 5e Cross-over from 4 Lan Ports to 4 PC's.

What should I get for connecting D-Link to Black Box? D-Link (as well as
Black Box) has supplied a Cat 5e cable but I do NOT as to which type it is.

By the way, if I disable the brains of the D-Link, will the Wireless part of
it work?!

Thanking you
Capt K Ripendran



"David Hettel" <> wrote in message
news:E4F77CAE-06B9-46A5-AE0D-...
>I maybe wrong, and it may just be technical, but the question as I read it
>was can he use the Black Box as an access point, my understanding was the
>black box does not support wireless, ergo the black box can not be used as
>an access point. "Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point..."
>Also the Black Box which I am NOT familiar with supports a USB printer
>connection, that he is using. As such I believe it's much easier to disable
>the router and NAT on the D-Link box than on the Black Box. So from my
>perspective the Black Box does NOT have wireless capabilities, and it does
>have 2 USB printer ports, at least one of which is being used, I would
>prefer to disable the brains of the D-Link than the brains of the Black
>Box. Why run the risk of forcing him potentially to re-install the printers
>on his computers?
>
> --
> David Hettel
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
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> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Hi
>> It does not really matter the principle is the same.
>> If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router and
>> Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a printer
>> server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access Point. The
>> principle is exactly the same.
>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>
>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>> news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
>>> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the Black
>>> Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port and USE
>>> the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer Notebook?" No.
>>> What you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access point for the
>>> Black Box Router, by following the instructions given. You'll need to
>>> disable both the DHCP server and the NAT in the D-link and assign the
>>> D-link a static IP address with in the IP address range the Black box is
>>> using.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Hettel
>>>
>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>> everyone
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>>> E-mail or news groups.
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>>> or
>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq)
>>>>with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using
>>>>a Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a
>>>>PPPOE connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer
>>>>ports and all computers can access each other incl printing thru a Epson
>>>>Inkjet printer.
>>>>
>>>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless
>>>> facility. I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as
>>>> all 5 can be used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the
>>>> printer port of the Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>>>>
>>>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
>>>> Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops +
>>>> Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>>>
>>>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>>>> Capt K Ripendran

Capt K Ripendran

I would suggest that you try the cable included with the D-Link. Yes the
wireless will work with the Brains disabled, this is what Jack's
http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html page shows you how to do. I'm not at all
sure that disabling this in the Black Box will allow your printers to still
function, that why I suggested doing it in the D-Link.

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"Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Gentlemen,
> Thank you both for ALL the input. I will first have a GO
> as follows:
> Modem to D-Link(as an Access Point) and to Black Box.
>
> NOW, my query is, what kind of cable do I use - Straight-through OR
> Cross-over?! I am currently using Cat 5e supplied by the ISP from Modem
> Wan to Black Box Wan port and
> Cat 5e Cross-over from 4 Lan Ports to 4 PC's.
>
> What should I get for connecting D-Link to Black Box? D-Link (as well as
> Black Box) has supplied a Cat 5e cable but I do NOT as to which type it
> is.
>
> By the way, if I disable the brains of the D-Link, will the Wireless part
> of it work?!
>
> Thanking you
> Capt K Ripendran
>
>
>
> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
> news:E4F77CAE-06B9-46A5-AE0D-...
>>I maybe wrong, and it may just be technical, but the question as I read it
>>was can he use the Black Box as an access point, my understanding was the
>>black box does not support wireless, ergo the black box can not be used as
>>an access point. "Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point..."
>>Also the Black Box which I am NOT familiar with supports a USB printer
>>connection, that he is using. As such I believe it's much easier to
>>disable the router and NAT on the D-Link box than on the Black Box. So
>>from my perspective the Black Box does NOT have wireless capabilities, and
>>it does have 2 USB printer ports, at least one of which is being used, I
>>would prefer to disable the brains of the D-Link than the brains of the
>>Black Box. Why run the risk of forcing him potentially to re-install the
>>printers on his computers?
>>
>> --
>> David Hettel
>>
>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>> everyone
>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me
>> in
>> E-mail or news groups.
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> Hi
>>> It does not really matter the principle is the same.
>>> If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router and
>>> Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a
>>> printer server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access
>>> Point. The principle is exactly the same.
>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>
>>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>>> news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
>>>> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the
>>>> Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port and
>>>> USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer Notebook?"
>>>> No. What you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access point for the
>>>> Black Box Router, by following the instructions given. You'll need to
>>>> disable both the DHCP server and the NAT in the D-link and assign the
>>>> D-link a static IP address with in the IP address range the Black box
>>>> is using.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Hettel
>>>>
>>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>>> everyone
>>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to
>>>> me in
>>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>>
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>>>> of, or
>>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
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>>>> no rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>>>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP & Compaq)
>>>>>with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a time!) using
>>>>>a Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband Modem with a
>>>>>PPPOE connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2 USB printer
>>>>>ports and all computers can access each other incl printing thru a
>>>>>Epson Inkjet printer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless
>>>>> facility. I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as
>>>>> all 5 can be used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the
>>>>> printer port of the Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the
>>>>> Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops +
>>>>> Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>>>>
>>>>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>>>>> Capt K Ripendran
>
>

David Hettel

Dear David,
Many thanks for the advise. I am NOT sure if I have
understood Jack's article but, I have connected as under. I believe that in
this case the Wireless Router (D-Link) is the Access Point and Wired Router
(Black Box) with the USB Printer Ports is the main Router. I don't know if I
have done it correctly but this is what I have done NOW and I would like
your views as to whether it is correct or not!

From ISP's Broadband Modem's WAN to Black Box Router's WAN.
From Black Box 3 LAN's to 3 Desktops - 1 LAN to D-Link WAN !
3 Desktops work + 1 Notebook works (Wireless -Excellent Signal Strength)

But, I do NOT have a spare 1 LAN to go to my 4th Desktop!
Where have I gone wrong?!

Thanking you
Capt K Ripendran


"David Hettel" <> wrote in message
news533FDA7-431B-4CDA-8401-...
>I would suggest that you try the cable included with the D-Link. Yes the
> wireless will work with the Brains disabled, this is what Jack's
> http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html page shows you how to do. I'm not at
> all
> sure that disabling this in the Black Box will allow your printers to
> still
> function, that why I suggested doing it in the D-Link.
>
> --
> David Hettel
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
> everyone
> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me
> in
> E-mail or news groups.
>
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>
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> or
> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
> confers
> no rights.
>
>
>
> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Gentlemen,
>> Thank you both for ALL the input. I will first have a GO
>> as follows:
>> Modem to D-Link(as an Access Point) and to Black Box.
>>
>> NOW, my query is, what kind of cable do I use - Straight-through OR
>> Cross-over?! I am currently using Cat 5e supplied by the ISP from Modem
>> Wan to Black Box Wan port and
>> Cat 5e Cross-over from 4 Lan Ports to 4 PC's.
>>
>> What should I get for connecting D-Link to Black Box? D-Link (as well as
>> Black Box) has supplied a Cat 5e cable but I do NOT as to which type it
>> is.
>>
>> By the way, if I disable the brains of the D-Link, will the Wireless part
>> of it work?!
>>
>> Thanking you
>> Capt K Ripendran
>>
>>
>>
>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>> news:E4F77CAE-06B9-46A5-AE0D-...
>>>I maybe wrong, and it may just be technical, but the question as I read
>>>it was can he use the Black Box as an access point, my understanding was
>>>the black box does not support wireless, ergo the black box can not be
>>>used as an access point. "Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access
>>>Point..." Also the Black Box which I am NOT familiar with supports a USB
>>>printer connection, that he is using. As such I believe it's much easier
>>>to disable the router and NAT on the D-Link box than on the Black Box. So
>>>from my perspective the Black Box does NOT have wireless capabilities,
>>>and it does have 2 USB printer ports, at least one of which is being
>>>used, I would prefer to disable the brains of the D-Link than the brains
>>>of the Black Box. Why run the risk of forcing him potentially to
>>>re-install the printers on his computers?
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Hettel
>>>
>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>> everyone
>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to
>>> me in
>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>
>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>> kind,
>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>> reliability
>>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of,
>>> or
>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
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>>> no rights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
>>> news:%...
>>>> Hi
>>>> It does not really matter the principle is the same.
>>>> If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router and
>>>> Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a
>>>> printer server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access
>>>> Point. The principle is exactly the same.
>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>
>>>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
>>>>> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the
>>>>> Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port
>>>>> and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer
>>>>> Notebook?" No. What you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access
>>>>> point for the Black Box Router, by following the instructions given.
>>>>> You'll need to disable both the DHCP server and the NAT in the D-link
>>>>> and assign the D-link a static IP address with in the IP address range
>>>>> the Black box is using.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Hettel
>>>>>
>>>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to
>>>>> me in
>>>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>
>>>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>>>> kind,
>>>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>>> reliability
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>>>>> direct,
>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
>>>>> of, or
>>>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>>>>> confers
>>>>> no rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>>>>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP &
>>>>>>Compaq) with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a
>>>>>>time!) using a Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a Broadband
>>>>>>Modem with a PPPOE connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports also has 2
>>>>>>USB printer ports and all computers can access each other incl
>>>>>>printing thru a Epson Inkjet printer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless
>>>>>> facility. I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit - as
>>>>>> all 5 can be used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use the
>>>>>> printer port of the Black Box Router - atleast with the desktops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail
>>>>>> the Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops +
>>>>>> Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>>>>>> Capt K Ripendran
>>
>>
>

Capt K Ripendran

If the d-link has had a static IP address assign to it (first) and the DHCP
server and NAT is turn off in the d-link, then a cable from the Black Box
LAN port to the D-link's LAN port (not the wan port) then plug the third
computer into one of the D-link's other three LAN ports. Everything should
be pulling an IP address from the Black Box but for the D-link itself. Does
that help?

On Jack's page http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html reread the part that
starts" The process should be as follow:" on Jack's page substitute Black
Box for "Main Router", and substitute D-Link for "second Router" or
"Cable/DSL Router" or "Wireless Cable/DSL Router" or "Wireless Router" all
four names are the same thing. Use LAN port for "Regular" port

--
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"Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Dear David,
> Many thanks for the advise. I am NOT sure if I have
> understood Jack's article but, I have connected as under. I believe that
> in this case the Wireless Router (D-Link) is the Access Point and Wired
> Router (Black Box) with the USB Printer Ports is the main Router. I don't
> know if I have done it correctly but this is what I have done NOW and I
> would like your views as to whether it is correct or not!
>
> From ISP's Broadband Modem's WAN to Black Box Router's WAN.
> From Black Box 3 LAN's to 3 Desktops - 1 LAN to D-Link WAN !
> 3 Desktops work + 1 Notebook works (Wireless -Excellent Signal Strength)
>
> But, I do NOT have a spare 1 LAN to go to my 4th Desktop!
> Where have I gone wrong?!
>
> Thanking you
> Capt K Ripendran
>
>
> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
> news533FDA7-431B-4CDA-8401-...
>>I would suggest that you try the cable included with the D-Link. Yes the
>> wireless will work with the Brains disabled, this is what Jack's
>> http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html page shows you how to do. I'm not at
>> all
>> sure that disabling this in the Black Box will allow your printers to
>> still
>> function, that why I suggested doing it in the D-Link.
>>
>> --
>> David Hettel
>>
>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>> everyone
>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me
>> in
>> E-mail or news groups.
>>
>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>> kind,
>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability
>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any direct,
>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of,
>> or
>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Gentlemen,
>>> Thank you both for ALL the input. I will first have a GO
>>> as follows:
>>> Modem to D-Link(as an Access Point) and to Black Box.
>>>
>>> NOW, my query is, what kind of cable do I use - Straight-through OR
>>> Cross-over?! I am currently using Cat 5e supplied by the ISP from Modem
>>> Wan to Black Box Wan port and
>>> Cat 5e Cross-over from 4 Lan Ports to 4 PC's.
>>>
>>> What should I get for connecting D-Link to Black Box? D-Link (as well as
>>> Black Box) has supplied a Cat 5e cable but I do NOT as to which type it
>>> is.
>>>
>>> By the way, if I disable the brains of the D-Link, will the Wireless
>>> part of it work?!
>>>
>>> Thanking you
>>> Capt K Ripendran
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>>> news:E4F77CAE-06B9-46A5-AE0D-...
>>>>I maybe wrong, and it may just be technical, but the question as I read
>>>>it was can he use the Black Box as an access point, my understanding was
>>>>the black box does not support wireless, ergo the black box can not be
>>>>used as an access point. "Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access
>>>>Point..." Also the Black Box which I am NOT familiar with supports a USB
>>>>printer connection, that he is using. As such I believe it's much easier
>>>>to disable the router and NAT on the D-Link box than on the Black Box.
>>>>So from my perspective the Black Box does NOT have wireless
>>>>capabilities, and it does have 2 USB printer ports, at least one of
>>>>which is being used, I would prefer to disable the brains of the D-Link
>>>>than the brains of the Black Box. Why run the risk of forcing him
>>>>potentially to re-install the printers on his computers?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Hettel
>>>>
>>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>>> everyone
>>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to
>>>> me in
>>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>
>>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>>> kind,
>>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>> reliability
>>>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
>>>> of, or
>>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>>>> confers
>>>> no rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
>>>> news:%...
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> It does not really matter the principle is the same.
>>>>> If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router and
>>>>> Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a
>>>>> printer server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access
>>>>> Point. The principle is exactly the same.
>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>>
>>>>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
>>>>>> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the
>>>>>> Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port
>>>>>> and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer
>>>>>> Notebook?" No. What you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access
>>>>>> point for the Black Box Router, by following the instructions given.
>>>>>> You'll need to disable both the DHCP server and the NAT in the D-link
>>>>>> and assign the D-link a static IP address with in the IP address
>>>>>> range the Black box is using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> David Hettel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly
>>>>>> to me in
>>>>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>>>>> kind,
>>>>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>>>> reliability
>>>>>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any
>>>>>> direct,
>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
>>>>>> of, or
>>>>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>>>>>> confers
>>>>>> no rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>>>>>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP &
>>>>>>>Compaq) with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a
>>>>>>>time!) using a Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a
>>>>>>>Broadband Modem with a PPPOE connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports
>>>>>>>also has 2 USB printer ports and all computers can access each other
>>>>>>>incl printing thru a Epson Inkjet printer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless
>>>>>>> facility. I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit -
>>>>>>> as all 5 can be used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use
>>>>>>> the printer port of the Black Box Router - atleast with the
>>>>>>> desktops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail
>>>>>>> the Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops
>>>>>>> + Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>>>>>>> Capt K Ripendran
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

David Hettel

Dear David,
Many thanks for your clear set of instructions. I managed
to get it going thru the LAN port of the D-Link Router. So, in effect and as
shown in Jack's page, I NOW have 6 available wired ports. As to the Wireless
capacity, I seem to have a problem. It is as under:

The Black Box Broadband Router LR 6003A has an IP Address of 192.168.2.1.
Obtaining the IP Address automatically thru DHCP Enabled, it gives the IP
Address as 192.168.2.100.
The DHCP Server Port shows
Start IP 192.168.1.100
End IP 192.168.1.200
However, I reset the END IP as 192.168.1.150 - as suggested in Jack's page.

The D-Link Wireless G Router WBR-1310 has an IP Address 192.168.0.1. I
manually configured the IP Address to 192.168.0.200, turning off the DHCP
and NAT as suggested in Jack's page. But, the web-based configuration
utility has advised slightly differently from what Jack's page has described
in setting up the Second Router(D-Link). It is given below:

QUOTE
If the router´s LAN IP address is 192.168.0.1, make your IP address
192.168.0.X where X is a number between 2 and 99. Make sure that the number
you choose is not in use on the network. Set Default Gateway the same as the
LAN IP address of your router (192.168.0.1).
UNQUOTE

After manually configuring the D-Link Router to 192.168.0.200, the signal
strength says it is Excellent but the Recd packets is ZERO! Consequently,
Wireless connection does NOT access Internet.

Have I gone wrong in the configuration of Internet, Network OR Wireless
settings?
Thanks in advance
Capt K Ripendran


"David Hettel" <> wrote in message
news:9036BD9E-3657-46F1-8248-...
> If the d-link has had a static IP address assign to it (first) and the
> DHCP server and NAT is turn off in the d-link, then a cable from the Black
> Box LAN port to the D-link's LAN port (not the wan port) then plug the
> third computer into one of the D-link's other three LAN ports. Everything
> should be pulling an IP address from the Black Box but for the D-link
> itself. Does that help?
>
> On Jack's page http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html reread the part that
> starts" The process should be as follow:" on Jack's page substitute Black
> Box for "Main Router", and substitute D-Link for "second Router" or
> "Cable/DSL Router" or "Wireless Cable/DSL Router" or "Wireless Router" all
> four names are the same thing. Use LAN port for "Regular" port
>
> --
> David Hettel
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
> everyone
> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me
> in
> E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any kind,
> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy, reliability
> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any direct,
> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of,
> or
> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
> confers
> no rights.
>
>
>
> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Dear David,
>> Many thanks for the advise. I am NOT sure if I have
>> understood Jack's article but, I have connected as under. I believe that
>> in this case the Wireless Router (D-Link) is the Access Point and Wired
>> Router (Black Box) with the USB Printer Ports is the main Router. I don't
>> know if I have done it correctly but this is what I have done NOW and I
>> would like your views as to whether it is correct or not!
>>
>> From ISP's Broadband Modem's WAN to Black Box Router's WAN.
>> From Black Box 3 LAN's to 3 Desktops - 1 LAN to D-Link WAN !
>> 3 Desktops work + 1 Notebook works (Wireless -Excellent Signal Strength)
>>
>> But, I do NOT have a spare 1 LAN to go to my 4th Desktop!
>> Where have I gone wrong?!
>>
>> Thanking you
>> Capt K Ripendran
>>
>>
>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>> news533FDA7-431B-4CDA-8401-...
>>>I would suggest that you try the cable included with the D-Link. Yes the
>>> wireless will work with the Brains disabled, this is what Jack's
>>> http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html page shows you how to do. I'm not at
>>> all
>>> sure that disabling this in the Black Box will allow your printers to
>>> still
>>> function, that why I suggested doing it in the D-Link.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Hettel
>>>
>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>> everyone
>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to
>>> me in
>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>
>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>> kind,
>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>> reliability
>>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of,
>>> or
>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>>> confers
>>> no rights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>> Thank you both for ALL the input. I will first have a
>>>> GO as follows:
>>>> Modem to D-Link(as an Access Point) and to Black Box.
>>>>
>>>> NOW, my query is, what kind of cable do I use - Straight-through OR
>>>> Cross-over?! I am currently using Cat 5e supplied by the ISP from
>>>> Modem Wan to Black Box Wan port and
>>>> Cat 5e Cross-over from 4 Lan Ports to 4 PC's.
>>>>
>>>> What should I get for connecting D-Link to Black Box? D-Link (as well
>>>> as Black Box) has supplied a Cat 5e cable but I do NOT as to which type
>>>> it is.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, if I disable the brains of the D-Link, will the Wireless
>>>> part of it work?!
>>>>
>>>> Thanking you
>>>> Capt K Ripendran
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:E4F77CAE-06B9-46A5-AE0D-...
>>>>>I maybe wrong, and it may just be technical, but the question as I read
>>>>>it was can he use the Black Box as an access point, my understanding
>>>>>was the black box does not support wireless, ergo the black box can not
>>>>>be used as an access point. "Can I make the Black Box Router as an
>>>>>Access Point..." Also the Black Box which I am NOT familiar with
>>>>>supports a USB printer connection, that he is using. As such I believe
>>>>>it's much easier to disable the router and NAT on the D-Link box than
>>>>>on the Black Box. So from my perspective the Black Box does NOT have
>>>>>wireless capabilities, and it does have 2 USB printer ports, at least
>>>>>one of which is being used, I would prefer to disable the brains of the
>>>>>D-Link than the brains of the Black Box. Why run the risk of forcing
>>>>>him potentially to re-install the printers on his computers?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Hettel
>>>>>
>>>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to
>>>>> me in
>>>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>
>>>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>>>> kind,
>>>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>>> reliability
>>>>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any
>>>>> direct,
>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
>>>>> of, or
>>>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>>>>> confers
>>>>> no rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%...
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> It does not really matter the principle is the same.
>>>>>> If the D-Link is a Better Router it can be used as the main Router
>>>>>> and Wireless source, and the Black box can be used as a switch with a
>>>>>> printer server, or vice versa, the D-Link as a Switch with an Access
>>>>>> Point. The principle is exactly the same.
>>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "David Hettel" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3D72D959-D7BB-44DF-B01B-...
>>>>>>> I'm sorry your question wasn't answered I believe. "Can I make the
>>>>>>> Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail the Printer port
>>>>>>> and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops + Wireless Acer
>>>>>>> Notebook?" No. What you can do is turn the new D-link into an Access
>>>>>>> point for the Black Box Router, by following the instructions given.
>>>>>>> You'll need to disable both the DHCP server and the NAT in the
>>>>>>> D-link and assign the D-link a static IP address with in the IP
>>>>>>> address range the Black box is using.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> David Hettel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for
>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly
>>>>>>> to me in
>>>>>>> E-mail or news groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
>>>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DISCLAIMER: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranty of any
>>>>>>> kind,
>>>>>>> either expressed or implied, made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>>>>> reliability
>>>>>>> or content of this post. The author shall not be liable for any
>>>>>>> direct,
>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use
>>>>>>> of, or
>>>>>>> inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this post and
>>>>>>> confers
>>>>>>> no rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Capt K Ripendran" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>>I have a Compaq Presario desktop with Win Xp and a Acer Notebook
>>>>>>>>(wireless) also with Win Xp. I also have 3 other desktops (HP &
>>>>>>>>Compaq) with Win 98SE - totally 5 PC's.. All are Networked (4 at a
>>>>>>>>time!) using a Black Box Router (wired only) connected to a
>>>>>>>>Broadband Modem with a PPPOE connection. The Router with 4 Lan ports
>>>>>>>>also has 2 USB printer ports and all computers can access each other
>>>>>>>>incl printing thru a Epson Inkjet printer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have NOW acquired a D-Link Router with 4 Lan ports + Wireless
>>>>>>>> facility. I would like to use this instead of the Black Box unit -
>>>>>>>> as all 5 can be used simultaneously, but, I also would like to use
>>>>>>>> the printer port of the Black Box Router - atleast with the
>>>>>>>> desktops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can I make the Black Box Router as an Access Point so as to avail
>>>>>>>> the Printer port and USE the new D-Link Router for the 4 Desktops
>>>>>>>> + Wireless Acer Notebook?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I shall be thankful for any suggestions
>>>>>>>> Capt K Ripendran
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Capt K Ripendran