Home Networking Solution needed

Hi, I have a dektop and a laptop connected to the Internet independently the
following way. Its a fully wired setup.
(...Internet...)
|
[cable modem]
|
[hub]
| | |
[desktop] [laptop] [ip phone]

But the desktop and the laptop are not connected to each other. Both have an
additional wireless network card in each of them. Can I be be given a
suggestion on how to easily connect these two computers that is also secure?

I tried to setup a "duplicate" wireless network and WorkGroup with these two
computers, but they could never see each other. The laptop runs XP Home, and
the desktop runs XP Pro.

Thanks,
Jay

=?Utf-8?B?SmF5?=

Actually if I look at your Network you appears to be connected. Now software
running on your computers may be blocking your connection, and it would not
help to add a wireless connection in my opinion. You need to explain what
you want to do, that you can't. This page may help:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...p/homenet.mspx

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"Jay" <> wrote in message
news:E5C0D935-11DD-44B3-83C5-...
> Hi, I have a dektop and a laptop connected to the Internet independently
> the
> following way. Its a fully wired setup.
> (...Internet...)
> |
> [cable modem]
> |
> [hub]
> | | |
> [desktop] [laptop] [ip phone]
>
> But the desktop and the laptop are not connected to each other. Both have
> an
> additional wireless network card in each of them. Can I be be given a
> suggestion on how to easily connect these two computers that is also
> secure?
>
> I tried to setup a "duplicate" wireless network and WorkGroup with these
> two
> computers, but they could never see each other. The laptop runs XP Home,
> and
> the desktop runs XP Pro.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay

David Hettel

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:28:00 -0800, Jay wrote:

> Hi, I have a dektop and a laptop connected to the Internet independently the
> following way. Its a fully wired setup.
> (...Internet...)
> |
> [cable modem]
> |
> [hub]
> | | |
> [desktop] [laptop] [ip phone]
>
> But the desktop and the laptop are not connected to each other. Both have an
> additional wireless network card in each of them. Can I be be given a
> suggestion on how to easily connect these two computers that is also secure?
>
> I tried to setup a "duplicate" wireless network and WorkGroup with these two
> computers, but they could never see each other. The laptop runs XP Home, and
> the desktop runs XP Pro.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay

Looks like you are setup to get three public ip addresses from your cable
company. These will not necessarily be on the same subnet, in fact they
probably are not. So if you want a LAN between your two computers you will
need to change out the hub with a router.

FedUp

Hi
You can configure the two Wireless cards with static IPs to Ad-Hoc mode and
the two computers would be able to talk if sharing is configured too.
However the Wireless would be a separate Network. You would have a private
network between the Wireless, and the WAN type of all the world is my
Network that you have now.
In general the type of Internet connection that you have now is rather
dangerous since all your hardware is sitting directly on the Internet.
You should leave the IP phone as is, and plug a Wireless Cable/DSL Router to
the Hub and plug the two computers on the LAN side of the Router.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"FedUp" <> wrote in message
news:1xeg99r7hrj29$... .
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:28:00 -0800, Jay wrote:
>
>> Hi, I have a dektop and a laptop connected to the Internet independently
>> the
>> following way. Its a fully wired setup.
>> (...Internet...)
>> |
>> [cable modem]
>> |
>> [hub]
>> | | |
>> [desktop] [laptop] [ip phone]
>>
>> But the desktop and the laptop are not connected to each other. Both have
>> an
>> additional wireless network card in each of them. Can I be be given a
>> suggestion on how to easily connect these two computers that is also
>> secure?
>>
>> I tried to setup a "duplicate" wireless network and WorkGroup with these
>> two
>> computers, but they could never see each other. The laptop runs XP Home,
>> and
>> the desktop runs XP Pro.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jay
>
> Looks like you are setup to get three public ip addresses from your cable
> company. These will not necessarily be on the same subnet, in fact they
> probably are not. So if you want a LAN between your two computers you will
> need to change out the hub with a router.

Jack \(MVP-Networking\).

Hi
Since you are behind a Router you should have a regular LAN Sharing and the
wire connection. Three No real use to add Ad-Hoc wireless under this
condition.
May be this can Help, http://www.ezlan.net/sharing.html
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"Jay" <> wrote in message
news:A2C5CAB3-E824-4806-970D-...
> Thanks Jack. I realize that the present configuration is risky and a
> router
> needs to be added.
>
> I did try to setup the ad-hoc wireless network with static IPs on the
> wireless card for each computer. File sharing was also enabled. But each
> computer couldn't even ping the other. The Workgroup would not even show
> up
> in the "Network Places". Was it due to any bad firewall configuration?
> Since
> each computer has multiple network adapters, is there any gateway/bridging
> configuration that was missing?
>
> Pls excuse my naive questions as I have no knowledge of networking.
>
> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> You can configure the two Wireless cards with static IPs to Ad-Hoc mode
>> and
>> the two computers would be able to talk if sharing is configured too.
>> However the Wireless would be a separate Network. You would have a
>> private
>> network between the Wireless, and the WAN type of all the world is my
>> Network that you have now.
>> In general the type of Internet connection that you have now is rather
>> dangerous since all your hardware is sitting directly on the Internet.
>> You should leave the IP phone as is, and plug a Wireless Cable/DSL Router
>> to
>> the Hub and plug the two computers on the LAN side of the Router.
>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>
>> "FedUp" <> wrote in message
>> news:1xeg99r7hrj29$... .
>> > On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:28:00 -0800, Jay wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, I have a dektop and a laptop connected to the Internet
>> >> independently
>> >> the
>> >> following way. Its a fully wired setup.
>> >> (...Internet...)
>> >> |
>> >> [cable modem]
>> >> |
>> >> [hub]
>> >> | | |
>> >> [desktop] [laptop] [ip phone]
>> >>
>> >> But the desktop and the laptop are not connected to each other. Both
>> >> have
>> >> an
>> >> additional wireless network card in each of them. Can I be be given a
>> >> suggestion on how to easily connect these two computers that is also
>> >> secure?
>> >>
>> >> I tried to setup a "duplicate" wireless network and WorkGroup with
>> >> these
>> >> two
>> >> computers, but they could never see each other. The laptop runs XP
>> >> Home,
>> >> and
>> >> the desktop runs XP Pro.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Jay
>> >
>> > Looks like you are setup to get three public ip addresses from your
>> > cable
>> > company. These will not necessarily be on the same subnet, in fact they
>> > probably are not. So if you want a LAN between your two computers you
>> > will
>> > need to change out the hub with a router.
>>
>>
>>

Jack \(MVP-Networking\).

Which is where I was at originally :>) before you where diverted down this
path. Most likely it is a firewall setting.

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David Hettel

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"Jack (MVP-Networking)." <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi
> Since you are behind a Router you should have a regular LAN Sharing and
> the wire connection. Three No real use to add Ad-Hoc wireless under this
> condition.
> May be this can Help, http://www.ezlan.net/sharing.html
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "Jay" <> wrote in message
> news:A2C5CAB3-E824-4806-970D-...
>> Thanks Jack. I realize that the present configuration is risky and a
>> router
>> needs to be added.
>>
>> I did try to setup the ad-hoc wireless network with static IPs on the
>> wireless card for each computer. File sharing was also enabled. But each
>> computer couldn't even ping the other. The Workgroup would not even show
>> up
>> in the "Network Places". Was it due to any bad firewall configuration?
>> Since
>> each computer has multiple network adapters, is there any
>> gateway/bridging
>> configuration that was missing?
>>
>> Pls excuse my naive questions as I have no knowledge of networking.
>>
>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> You can configure the two Wireless cards with static IPs to Ad-Hoc mode
>>> and
>>> the two computers would be able to talk if sharing is configured too.
>>> However the Wireless would be a separate Network. You would have a
>>> private
>>> network between the Wireless, and the WAN type of all the world is my
>>> Network that you have now.
>>> In general the type of Internet connection that you have now is rather
>>> dangerous since all your hardware is sitting directly on the Internet.
>>> You should leave the IP phone as is, and plug a Wireless Cable/DSL
>>> Router to
>>> the Hub and plug the two computers on the LAN side of the Router.
>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>
>>> "FedUp" <> wrote in message
>>> news:1xeg99r7hrj29$... .
>>> > On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:28:00 -0800, Jay wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi, I have a dektop and a laptop connected to the Internet
>>> >> independently
>>> >> the
>>> >> following way. Its a fully wired setup.
>>> >> (...Internet...)
>>> >> |
>>> >> [cable modem]
>>> >> |
>>> >> [hub]
>>> >> | | |
>>> >> [desktop] [laptop] [ip phone]
>>> >>
>>> >> But the desktop and the laptop are not connected to each other. Both
>>> >> have
>>> >> an
>>> >> additional wireless network card in each of them. Can I be be given a
>>> >> suggestion on how to easily connect these two computers that is also
>>> >> secure?
>>> >>
>>> >> I tried to setup a "duplicate" wireless network and WorkGroup with
>>> >> these
>>> >> two
>>> >> computers, but they could never see each other. The laptop runs XP
>>> >> Home,
>>> >> and
>>> >> the desktop runs XP Pro.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Jay
>>> >
>>> > Looks like you are setup to get three public ip addresses from your
>>> > cable
>>> > company. These will not necessarily be on the same subnet, in fact
>>> > they
>>> > probably are not. So if you want a LAN between your two computers you
>>> > will
>>> > need to change out the hub with a router.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

David Hettel