Another Verilog to VHDL converter request

Hi all
I already googled and looked at the FAQ but all I've been able to find
were dead links.

I have a processor bus functional model written in Verilog but all my
design is in VHDL and I don't have a mixed simulation license. Does
anyone know of a free tool that would help me translate the model in
VHDL ?

Thanks in advance
Nicolas

Nicolas Matringe

On Feb 5, 2:03 pm, "Nicolas Matringe" <nic_o_...@msn.com> wrote:
> Hi all
> I already googled and looked at the FAQ but all I've been able to find
> were dead links.
>
> I have a processor bus functional model written in Verilog but all my
> design is in VHDL and I don't have a mixed simulation license. Does
> anyone know of a free tool that would help me translate the model in
> VHDL ?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Nicolas

Nicolas,
In addition to my separate email on this, I once downloaded a
tool from:

http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~morioka/v2v.htm

(Now defunct), didn't try it too much, so if you wish either I can
send you the code/tool or you can send me your code and I can see if I
can help

HTH
Ajeetha, CVC
www.noveldv.com

Ajeetha (www.noveldv.com)

Ajeetha (www.noveldv.com) a écrit :
> On Feb 5, 2:03 pm, "Nicolas Matringe" <nic_o_...@msn.com> wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I already googled and looked at the FAQ but all I've been able to find
>> were dead links.
>>
>> I have a processor bus functional model written in Verilog but all my
>> design is in VHDL and I don't have a mixed simulation license. Does
>> anyone know of a free tool that would help me translate the model in
>> VHDL ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nicolas
>
> Nicolas,
> In addition to my separate email on this, I once downloaded a
> tool from:
>
> http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~morioka/v2v.htm
>
> (Now defunct), didn't try it too much, so if you wish either I can
> send you the code/tool or you can send me your code and I can see if I
> can help

As I told you in my reply to your e-mail, the BFM is licensed code so I
can not send it to anyone.
As someone else suggested (by e-mail again), I can try your URL in a web
archive service and see if it gives me the code.

Thanks anyway
Nicolas

Nicolas Matringe

You could also
- create an ISE project with the top level module in VHDL instantiating the
Verilog modules
- synthetise the design with annotated VHDL generation

Please provide feedback on the conversion tool if you find it...



"Nicolas Matringe" <> wrote in message
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> Ajeetha (www.noveldv.com) a écrit :
>> On Feb 5, 2:03 pm, "Nicolas Matringe" <nic_o_...@msn.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> I already googled and looked at the FAQ but all I've been able to find
>>> were dead links.
>>>
>>> I have a processor bus functional model written in Verilog but all my
>>> design is in VHDL and I don't have a mixed simulation license. Does
>>> anyone know of a free tool that would help me translate the model in
>>> VHDL ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Nicolas
>>
>> Nicolas,
>> In addition to my separate email on this, I once downloaded a
>> tool from:
>>
>> http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~morioka/v2v.htm
>>
>> (Now defunct), didn't try it too much, so if you wish either I can
>> send you the code/tool or you can send me your code and I can see if I
>> can help
>
> As I told you in my reply to your e-mail, the BFM is licensed code so I
> can not send it to anyone.
> As someone else suggested (by e-mail again), I can try your URL in a web
> archive service and see if it gives me the code.
>
> Thanks anyway
> Nicolas

bm

bm a écrit :
> You could also
> - create an ISE project with the top level module in VHDL instantiating the
> Verilog modules
> - synthetise the design with annotated VHDL generation

A bus functionnal model is a processor simulation model. I somehow
suspect that it is not synthesizable.
Besides, I need to simulate it (with ModelSim)


> Please provide feedback on the conversion tool if you find it...

I tried the one Ajeetah suggested(*) but it choked on every file's first
line.

Nicolas

(*)http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~morioka/v2v.htm but it actually changed
address

Nicolas Matringe

On 5 Feb 2007 01:03:20 -0800, "Nicolas Matringe"
<> wrote:

>I have a processor bus functional model written in Verilog but all my
>design is in VHDL and I don't have a mixed simulation license. Does
>anyone know of a free tool that would help me translate the model in
>VHDL ?

I think it is likely to be very difficult.

Verilog BFMs are generally written in a way that simply does not work
in VHDL - using cross-module references to call BFM tasks. Over the
years I have established a methodology for doing the translation by
hand, and I can usually get reasonable results - but it is not a
mechanical process, because there are so many different styles for
writing Verilog BFMs.

By contrast, translating synthesisable code is usually
almost trivial (from Verilog to VHDL; if you're going from VHDL
to Verilog you may have problems with record data types and
array and type attributes).

I suggest that the mixed-language simulation licence is probably
your most viable route. No, I don't work for Mentor sales
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Jonathan Bromley

Jonathan Bromley a écrit :

> I think it is likely to be very difficult.
>
> Verilog BFMs are generally written in a way that simply does not work
> in VHDL - using cross-module references to call BFM tasks. Over the
> years I have established a methodology for doing the translation by
> hand, and I can usually get reasonable results - but it is not a
> mechanical process, because there are so many different styles for
> writing Verilog BFMs.

I think I can see your point. I don't have much experience (not at all,
actually) with Verilog simulation, only RTL.


> I suggest that the mixed-language simulation licence is probably
> your most viable route. No, I don't work for Mentor sales

I already contacted my local distributor and got a price. The decision
is not mine anymore.

Nicolas

Nicolas Matringe

"Nicolas Matringe" <> wrote in message
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> Jonathan Bromley a écrit :
>
>> I think it is likely to be very difficult.
>>
>> Verilog BFMs are generally written in a way that simply does not work
>> in VHDL - using cross-module references to call BFM tasks. Over the
>> years I have established a methodology for doing the translation by
>> hand, and I can usually get reasonable results - but it is not a
>> mechanical process, because there are so many different styles for
>> writing Verilog BFMs.
>
> I think I can see your point. I don't have much experience (not at all,
> actually) with Verilog simulation, only RTL.
>
>
>> I suggest that the mixed-language simulation licence is probably
>> your most viable route. No, I don't work for Mentor sales
>
> I already contacted my local distributor and got a price. The decision is
> not mine anymore.

If you need a mixed license to do your work then I would suggest you speak
to your manager again. If this is a student project then you might want to
try the new Modelsim Student license route, see:
http://www.model.com/resources/stude...t_download.asp

Alternatively, request an evaluation license and work like hell for 30 days


Hans
www.ht-lab.com


>
> Nicolas

HT-Lab

> I think I can see your point. I don't have much experience (not at all,
> actually) with Verilog simulation, only RTL.
>

Well I'm told by someone who has worked in Europe that many
engineers over there (data is some 5 years old) believe that Verilog
is only for gate Level. If I read your post correctly, that still
seems to be the case

Why do you say "no verilog, only RTL" - RTL can be in Verilog or
VHDL.

Or maybe it was just a typo!

Ajeetha, CVC
www.noveldv.com

Ajeetha (www.noveldv.com)

Ajeetha posted on 6 Feb 2007 19:49:39 -0800:

"> I think I can see your point. I don't have much experience (not at all,
> actually) with Verilog simulation, only RTL.
>

Well I'm told by someone who has worked in Europe that many
engineers over there (data is some 5 years old) believe that Verilog
is only for gate Level. If I read your post correctly, that still
seems to be the case "

At where I am based in Europe, VHDL is used as a source language and
automatically generated Verilog happens to be used by the tool suite
for the netlists' simulations. We do not produce any handwritten
Verilog.

"Why do you say "no verilog, only RTL" - RTL can be in Verilog or
VHDL.

Or maybe it was just a typo!"

Perhaps he was indicating that the only Verilog experience he has is
with lower level Verilog netlist simulations generated from higher
level VHDL code instead of high level Verilog simulations.

Colin Paul Gloster