BACKUP SCHEDULE

Hi All

I have installed Genie Backup Manager from a computer Magazine cover disk &
would like to backup my computer to CD/RW disks as a safeguard against a
system failure or with a view to periodically reformatting my hard disk to
get rid of accumulated clutter, eg redundant / orphan files, duplicate files,
invalid shortcuts ,remnants of uninstalled programs etc.
In the Genie program available backup items include Outlook Express, Address
book, Windows Registry, Internet and Windows settings, My folders, Local disk
C (which includes all the installed programs) and others. Genie program
manager also maintains a data base of some programs which it can back up but
only one or two programs on my computer are included in the database. Major
programs like Office are missing.

I would welcome guidance on the following :

1 If possible I would like to backup both programs and data files (including
Address Book and Outlook Express) together with settings provided I would be
able to do so without also backing up the unwanted redundant clutter which
has an adverse effect on the performance of my computer. In otherwords I
would like to be able to make a clean restoration of programs and data
following eg. the reformatting of my hard disk.
If I
backup a program from the program folder on local disk C, will the related
dll files and other settings, which may be stored in different directories
eg. Windows System and the registry settings, keys etc. also be picked up?
In otherwords will the program run when restored.?
2 If it is not possible to backup and restore programs I will (although less
convenient) be able to use the original installation disks. I might have a
problem reinstalling Windows XP Pro (OEM version) ?
3 Is there any need to backup the registry? Will it not be rebuilt during
the reinstallation/restoration of the various programs?

Many Thanks

--
JJ.Mac

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Sounds like you need to clone/image your PC.
From my experiences I think you should back up all your files (that will be
mainly saved docs, music etc) then completely reinstall exactly what you
want onto your PC, restore the backup (so you get back to where you are now
but without the junk you would normally accumilate over time), then take an
image of the hard drive to some sort of external media (programs such as
Symantec Ghost or Acronis True Image work very well.) and providing you
don't change much hardware you then have a master copy of your entire
system, if you do change your hardware you may find that the restored image
will refuse to boot as the drivers may be incompatible/incorrect. This is
basically what Dell, HP, Samsung and many other OEM manufacturers do to give
you the full working restore point that they ship instead of the Windows XP
installation disks. It saves them a lot of money in media (CDROM's etc).
You cannot expect any sort of backup program to remove the junk, then allow
you to restore said backup nice and clean. Too many variables in the
registry for the program to correctly copy all the files and settings of all
the registry entries and the installed programs without it also copying the
junk. The registry is just one area that will be full of junk (temp folders,
prefetch folder etc).

"jj.mac" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
news:84D26B31-B77A-483D-B66C-...
> Hi All
>
> I have installed Genie Backup Manager from a computer Magazine cover disk
> &
> would like to backup my computer to CD/RW disks as a safeguard against a
> system failure or with a view to periodically reformatting my hard disk to
> get rid of accumulated clutter, eg redundant / orphan files, duplicate
> files,
> invalid shortcuts ,remnants of uninstalled programs etc.
> In the Genie program available backup items include Outlook Express,
> Address
> book, Windows Registry, Internet and Windows settings, My folders, Local
> disk
> C (which includes all the installed programs) and others. Genie program
> manager also maintains a data base of some programs which it can back up
> but
> only one or two programs on my computer are included in the database.
> Major
> programs like Office are missing.
>
> I would welcome guidance on the following :
>
> 1 If possible I would like to backup both programs and data files
> (including
> Address Book and Outlook Express) together with settings provided I would
> be
> able to do so without also backing up the unwanted redundant clutter which
> has an adverse effect on the performance of my computer. In otherwords I
> would like to be able to make a clean restoration of programs and data
> following eg. the reformatting of my hard disk.
> If I
> backup a program from the program folder on local disk C, will the related
> dll files and other settings, which may be stored in different
> directories
> eg. Windows System and the registry settings, keys etc. also be picked up?
> In otherwords will the program run when restored.?
> 2 If it is not possible to backup and restore programs I will (although
> less
> convenient) be able to use the original installation disks. I might have
> a
> problem reinstalling Windows XP Pro (OEM version) ?
> 3 Is there any need to backup the registry? Will it not be rebuilt
> during
> the reinstallation/restoration of the various programs?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> --
> JJ.Mac

Many thanks for your helpful suggestions.
I intend to backup only data files (mostly contained within MyDocuments
folder), Outlook Express (data), Windows favorites, Windows Address Book.,
Internet Explorer Settings and Windows Settings. I do not intend to include
the registry or program files in the backup. I will then Format my hard disk
to wipe it clean and reinstall my programs using their original installation
disks before restoring the backup.
I understand that my XP operating system, being an OEM version, is licensed
only for use on this computer. I presumably would not be allowed to remove
it from this computer and install it on another computer. I presume,
however, that it will be permissible to remove it from this computer (by
formatting the hard disk) and subsequently to reinstall it on this computer
using the OEM Microsoft Windows XP Pro Version 2002 disk which I possess. It
will probably then need to be reactivated.
Don’t know how the cloning/imaging programs handle the operating system
license restrictions.

--
JJ.Mac


"A Brown" wrote:

> Sounds like you need to clone/image your PC.
> From my experiences I think you should back up all your files (that will be
> mainly saved docs, music etc) then completely reinstall exactly what you
> want onto your PC, restore the backup (so you get back to where you are now
> but without the junk you would normally accumilate over time), then take an
> image of the hard drive to some sort of external media (programs such as
> Symantec Ghost or Acronis True Image work very well.) and providing you
> don't change much hardware you then have a master copy of your entire
> system, if you do change your hardware you may find that the restored image
> will refuse to boot as the drivers may be incompatible/incorrect. This is
> basically what Dell, HP, Samsung and many other OEM manufacturers do to give
> you the full working restore point that they ship instead of the Windows XP
> installation disks. It saves them a lot of money in media (CDROM's etc).
> You cannot expect any sort of backup program to remove the junk, then allow
> you to restore said backup nice and clean. Too many variables in the
> registry for the program to correctly copy all the files and settings of all
> the registry entries and the installed programs without it also copying the
> junk. The registry is just one area that will be full of junk (temp folders,
> prefetch folder etc).
>
> "jj.mac" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
> news:84D26B31-B77A-483D-B66C-...
> > Hi All
> >
> > I have installed Genie Backup Manager from a computer Magazine cover disk
> > &
> > would like to backup my computer to CD/RW disks as a safeguard against a
> > system failure or with a view to periodically reformatting my hard disk to
> > get rid of accumulated clutter, eg redundant / orphan files, duplicate
> > files,
> > invalid shortcuts ,remnants of uninstalled programs etc.
> > In the Genie program available backup items include Outlook Express,
> > Address
> > book, Windows Registry, Internet and Windows settings, My folders, Local
> > disk
> > C (which includes all the installed programs) and others. Genie program
> > manager also maintains a data base of some programs which it can back up
> > but
> > only one or two programs on my computer are included in the database.
> > Major
> > programs like Office are missing.
> >
> > I would welcome guidance on the following :
> >
> > 1 If possible I would like to backup both programs and data files
> > (including
> > Address Book and Outlook Express) together with settings provided I would
> > be
> > able to do so without also backing up the unwanted redundant clutter which
> > has an adverse effect on the performance of my computer. In otherwords I
> > would like to be able to make a clean restoration of programs and data
> > following eg. the reformatting of my hard disk.
> > If I
> > backup a program from the program folder on local disk C, will the related
> > dll files and other settings, which may be stored in different
> > directories
> > eg. Windows System and the registry settings, keys etc. also be picked up?
> > In otherwords will the program run when restored.?
> > 2 If it is not possible to backup and restore programs I will (although
> > less
> > convenient) be able to use the original installation disks. I might have
> > a
> > problem reinstalling Windows XP Pro (OEM version) ?
> > 3 Is there any need to backup the registry? Will it not be rebuilt
> > during
> > the reinstallation/restoration of the various programs?
> >
> > Many Thanks
> >
> > --
> > JJ.Mac
>
>

They don't. They just assume that you won't be putting it onto another
system. The problem can then be found out when you try to use Microsoft
update as it now includes the Genuine Advantage Validation tool (not needed
for all updates, but may be in the future). I know of a couple of people who
have been caught out this way and have subsequently bought full copies for
the system they transfered windows onto.
Yes you can use the OEM to reinstall and re-activate it. The only problem
I've ever found is when you do this too often (a couple of weeks between
re-installations-badly diagnosed faults caused this one!!!!!!) then it is
just a case of activating windows over the phone.


"jj.mac" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
news:0B61B500-9C06-4130-BB99-...
> Many thanks for your helpful suggestions.
> I intend to backup only data files (mostly contained within MyDocuments
> folder), Outlook Express (data), Windows favorites, Windows Address Book.,
> Internet Explorer Settings and Windows Settings. I do not intend to
> include
> the registry or program files in the backup. I will then Format my hard
> disk
> to wipe it clean and reinstall my programs using their original
> installation
> disks before restoring the backup.
> I understand that my XP operating system, being an OEM version, is
> licensed
> only for use on this computer. I presumably would not be allowed to
> remove
> it from this computer and install it on another computer. I presume,
> however, that it will be permissible to remove it from this computer (by
> formatting the hard disk) and subsequently to reinstall it on this
> computer
> using the OEM Microsoft Windows XP Pro Version 2002 disk which I possess.
> It
> will probably then need to be reactivated.
> Don’t know how the cloning/imaging programs handle the operating system
> license restrictions.
>
> --
> JJ.Mac
>
>
> "A Brown" wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you need to clone/image your PC.
>> From my experiences I think you should back up all your files (that will
>> be
>> mainly saved docs, music etc) then completely reinstall exactly what you
>> want onto your PC, restore the backup (so you get back to where you are
>> now
>> but without the junk you would normally accumilate over time), then take
>> an
>> image of the hard drive to some sort of external media (programs such as
>> Symantec Ghost or Acronis True Image work very well.) and providing you
>> don't change much hardware you then have a master copy of your entire
>> system, if you do change your hardware you may find that the restored
>> image
>> will refuse to boot as the drivers may be incompatible/incorrect. This is
>> basically what Dell, HP, Samsung and many other OEM manufacturers do to
>> give
>> you the full working restore point that they ship instead of the Windows
>> XP
>> installation disks. It saves them a lot of money in media (CDROM's etc).
>> You cannot expect any sort of backup program to remove the junk, then
>> allow
>> you to restore said backup nice and clean. Too many variables in the
>> registry for the program to correctly copy all the files and settings of
>> all
>> the registry entries and the installed programs without it also copying
>> the
>> junk. The registry is just one area that will be full of junk (temp
>> folders,
>> prefetch folder etc).
>>
>> "jj.mac" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
>> news:84D26B31-B77A-483D-B66C-...
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > I have installed Genie Backup Manager from a computer Magazine cover
>> > disk
>> > &
>> > would like to backup my computer to CD/RW disks as a safeguard against
>> > a
>> > system failure or with a view to periodically reformatting my hard disk
>> > to
>> > get rid of accumulated clutter, eg redundant / orphan files, duplicate
>> > files,
>> > invalid shortcuts ,remnants of uninstalled programs etc.
>> > In the Genie program available backup items include Outlook Express,
>> > Address
>> > book, Windows Registry, Internet and Windows settings, My folders,
>> > Local
>> > disk
>> > C (which includes all the installed programs) and others. Genie program
>> > manager also maintains a data base of some programs which it can back
>> > up
>> > but
>> > only one or two programs on my computer are included in the database.
>> > Major
>> > programs like Office are missing.
>> >
>> > I would welcome guidance on the following :
>> >
>> > 1 If possible I would like to backup both programs and data files
>> > (including
>> > Address Book and Outlook Express) together with settings provided I
>> > would
>> > be
>> > able to do so without also backing up the unwanted redundant clutter
>> > which
>> > has an adverse effect on the performance of my computer. In otherwords
>> > I
>> > would like to be able to make a clean restoration of programs and data
>> > following eg. the reformatting of my hard disk.
>> > If I
>> > backup a program from the program folder on local disk C, will the
>> > related
>> > dll files and other settings, which may be stored in different
>> > directories
>> > eg. Windows System and the registry settings, keys etc. also be picked
>> > up?
>> > In otherwords will the program run when restored.?
>> > 2 If it is not possible to backup and restore programs I will (although
>> > less
>> > convenient) be able to use the original installation disks. I might
>> > have
>> > a
>> > problem reinstalling Windows XP Pro (OEM version) ?
>> > 3 Is there any need to backup the registry? Will it not be rebuilt
>> > during
>> > the reinstallation/restoration of the various programs?
>> >
>> > Many Thanks
>> >
>> > --
>> > JJ.Mac
>>
>>

Thank you for that reassurance.
regards
--
JJ.Mac


"A Brown" wrote:

> They don't. They just assume that you won't be putting it onto another
> system. The problem can then be found out when you try to use Microsoft
> update as it now includes the Genuine Advantage Validation tool (not needed
> for all updates, but may be in the future). I know of a couple of people who
> have been caught out this way and have subsequently bought full copies for
> the system they transfered windows onto.
> Yes you can use the OEM to reinstall and re-activate it. The only problem
> I've ever found is when you do this too often (a couple of weeks between
> re-installations-badly diagnosed faults caused this one!!!!!!) then it is
> just a case of activating windows over the phone.
>
>
> "jj.mac" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
> news:0B61B500-9C06-4130-BB99-...
> > Many thanks for your helpful suggestions.
> > I intend to backup only data files (mostly contained within MyDocuments
> > folder), Outlook Express (data), Windows favorites, Windows Address Book.,
> > Internet Explorer Settings and Windows Settings. I do not intend to
> > include
> > the registry or program files in the backup. I will then Format my hard
> > disk
> > to wipe it clean and reinstall my programs using their original
> > installation
> > disks before restoring the backup.
> > I understand that my XP operating system, being an OEM version, is
> > licensed
> > only for use on this computer. I presumably would not be allowed to
> > remove
> > it from this computer and install it on another computer. I presume,
> > however, that it will be permissible to remove it from this computer (by
> > formatting the hard disk) and subsequently to reinstall it on this
> > computer
> > using the OEM Microsoft Windows XP Pro Version 2002 disk which I possess.
> > It
> > will probably then need to be reactivated.
> > Don’t know how the cloning/imaging programs handle the operating system
> > license restrictions.
> >
> > --
> > JJ.Mac
> >
> >
> > "A Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> Sounds like you need to clone/image your PC.
> >> From my experiences I think you should back up all your files (that will
> >> be
> >> mainly saved docs, music etc) then completely reinstall exactly what you
> >> want onto your PC, restore the backup (so you get back to where you are
> >> now
> >> but without the junk you would normally accumilate over time), then take
> >> an
> >> image of the hard drive to some sort of external media (programs such as
> >> Symantec Ghost or Acronis True Image work very well.) and providing you
> >> don't change much hardware you then have a master copy of your entire
> >> system, if you do change your hardware you may find that the restored
> >> image
> >> will refuse to boot as the drivers may be incompatible/incorrect. This is
> >> basically what Dell, HP, Samsung and many other OEM manufacturers do to
> >> give
> >> you the full working restore point that they ship instead of the Windows
> >> XP
> >> installation disks. It saves them a lot of money in media (CDROM's etc).
> >> You cannot expect any sort of backup program to remove the junk, then
> >> allow
> >> you to restore said backup nice and clean. Too many variables in the
> >> registry for the program to correctly copy all the files and settings of
> >> all
> >> the registry entries and the installed programs without it also copying
> >> the
> >> junk. The registry is just one area that will be full of junk (temp
> >> folders,
> >> prefetch folder etc).
> >>
> >> "jj.mac" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
> >> news:84D26B31-B77A-483D-B66C-...
> >> > Hi All
> >> >
> >> > I have installed Genie Backup Manager from a computer Magazine cover
> >> > disk
> >> > &
> >> > would like to backup my computer to CD/RW disks as a safeguard against
> >> > a
> >> > system failure or with a view to periodically reformatting my hard disk
> >> > to
> >> > get rid of accumulated clutter, eg redundant / orphan files, duplicate
> >> > files,
> >> > invalid shortcuts ,remnants of uninstalled programs etc.
> >> > In the Genie program available backup items include Outlook Express,
> >> > Address
> >> > book, Windows Registry, Internet and Windows settings, My folders,
> >> > Local
> >> > disk
> >> > C (which includes all the installed programs) and others. Genie program
> >> > manager also maintains a data base of some programs which it can back
> >> > up
> >> > but
> >> > only one or two programs on my computer are included in the database.
> >> > Major
> >> > programs like Office are missing.
> >> >
> >> > I would welcome guidance on the following :
> >> >
> >> > 1 If possible I would like to backup both programs and data files
> >> > (including
> >> > Address Book and Outlook Express) together with settings provided I
> >> > would
> >> > be
> >> > able to do so without also backing up the unwanted redundant clutter
> >> > which
> >> > has an adverse effect on the performance of my computer. In otherwords
> >> > I
> >> > would like to be able to make a clean restoration of programs and data
> >> > following eg. the reformatting of my hard disk.
> >> > If I
> >> > backup a program from the program folder on local disk C, will the
> >> > related
> >> > dll files and other settings, which may be stored in different
> >> > directories
> >> > eg. Windows System and the registry settings, keys etc. also be picked
> >> > up?
> >> > In otherwords will the program run when restored.?
> >> > 2 If it is not possible to backup and restore programs I will (although
> >> > less
> >> > convenient) be able to use the original installation disks. I might
> >> > have
> >> > a
> >> > problem reinstalling Windows XP Pro (OEM version) ?
> >> > 3 Is there any need to backup the registry? Will it not be rebuilt
> >> > during
> >> > the reinstallation/restoration of the various programs?
> >> >
> >> > Many Thanks
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > JJ.Mac
> >>
> >>
>
>