German police seize TOR servers

They're not saying there's anything wrong with TOR, but they
apparently took the computers because of another investigation:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09...ervers_seized/

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Arthur T.

Arthur T. wrote:

> They're not saying there's anything wrong with TOR, but they
> apparently took the computers because of another investigation:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09...ervers_seized/

Or maybe it's just terror against the people. Even the most clueless police
computer specialist would known that seizing a TOR server is utterly
useless.

Sebastian Gottschalk

> Or maybe it's just terror against the people. Even the most clueless
> police computer specialist would known that seizing a TOR server is
> utterly
> useless.

I wonder if that also applies to TOR hidden services.

tiramisu

It is quite clear that states will adopt radical anti-anonymous
networks laws in the future. This could be made by making the people
running the exit nodes responsible for what is made through their
machine, discouraging them to run servers. I wonder if such laws
already exist. For instance I think that in some countries the law
makes you responsible if your machine gets hacked and used as a relay
to perform an attack. Such laws might lead to "freedom" havens
without such restrictive laws that will be used to exit the anonymous
traffic. Let's guess that such havens will be in the position to
gather quite interesting information.

Kind regards
Ludovic

Ludovic Joly

tiramisu wrote:

>
> > Or maybe it's just terror against the people. Even the most clueless
> > police computer specialist would known that seizing a TOR server is
> > utterly
> > useless.
>
> I wonder if that also applies to TOR hidden services.

No, but the point is that the service is hidden. You can't seize what
you can't locate. Exit nodes are easily identifiable. They're indexed
and cataloged by the software itself in fact. If you're running a
potentially incriminating hidden service from the same location you're
drawing attention to with an exit node you're just being a fool. Tor
can do a lot of things, but it can't fix stupid.

TwistyCreek

TwistyCreek <> wrote in news:4I6H00BP38973.5052546296
@twistycreek.com:

> tiramisu wrote:
>
>>
>> > Or maybe it's just terror against the people. Even the most clueless
>> > police computer specialist would known that seizing a TOR server is
>> > utterly
>> > useless.
>>
>> I wonder if that also applies to TOR hidden services.
>
> No, but the point is that the service is hidden. You can't seize what
> you can't locate.


True in principle. But see, for instance:

Locating Hidden Servers
by Lasse Øverlier and Paul Syverson.
http://www.onion-router.net/Publicat...en-servers.pdf

Regards,

nemo_outis