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Jonathan N. Little
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      09-04-2006
wrote:
> We launced HTML.net earlier this year. I hope it is all right to post a
> link to the tutorials here. Hopefully, it can be of help to anyone who
> want to learn HTML and/or CSS:
>
> HTML tutorial: http://www.html.net/tutorials/html/introduction.asp
>
> CSS tutorial:http://www.html.net/tutorials/css/introduction.asp
>
> Any comments and feedback will be appreciated.
>

Aside of the tag|element confusion already discussed at length in the
thread, in the HTML tutorial I would restrict your markup examples to
semantic structure and avoid deprecated elements and attributes right
from the start. For example I would not have used B, I but focused on P
and UL, LI, TABLE.... basic page construction and leave out all styling
until your CSS tutorial. Or if the example requires some styling, note
it (maybe color-code the CSS part) and link to associated section in
your CSS tutorial. Get newbies pointed away from '90s markup methods
there is enough of those tutorials online already.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
 
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Ed Seedhouse
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      09-04-2006
On 4 Sep 2006 06:25:40 -0700, wrote:

>> "HTML is tags - and nothing but tags. To learn HTML is to learn and use
>> different tags."


>> Nothing could be more wrong IMHO.
>> This is where I gave up on your tutorial.


>I am sorry to hear that. Again, I don't want to make it too complicated
>to start with. And I don't think there is anything wrong in that
>formulation. The element is part of the tag, which is explained later
>in the tutorial:


Um, no. Tags are just the method of delimiting elements. An element is
a start-end tag pair and all that is between them. Styles are applied
to elements, not tags. It is the element that is the fundamental unit
of html.

 
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Harlan Messinger
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      09-04-2006
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> HTML is *not* about tags, it is about *elements*. An element consists of a
> start tag, some [optional] content and usually (HTML) an end tag.


The "usually" also applies to the start tag.
 
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Harlan Messinger
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      09-05-2006
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>>> "HTML is tags - and nothing but tags. To learn HTML is to learn and use
>>> different tags."
>>>
>>> Nothing could be more wrong IMHO.
>>> This is where I gave up on your tutorial.

>>
>> I am sorry to hear that. Again, I don't want to make it too complicated
>> to start with. And I don't think there is anything wrong in that
>> formulation. The element is part of the tag, which is explained later
>> in the tutorial:
>>
>> "The basic part of a tag is called an element (for example the p in
>> <p>). Thus, a tag consists of either just an element (for example <p>),
>> or an element plus one or more attributes (for example <p
>> style="background-color:#ff0000;">). Simple as that."
>>

>
> You might actually be right on this one. I am sorry to admit


He is. The name inside the tag isn't the element itself, but the name of
the element that the tag delimits. Some elements are inferred in a
document even without any tags to indicate their presence. The following
is a valid HTML document (minus the DOCTYPE):

<title>Good Morning</title>
<p>Have fun!</p>

A proper HTML agent will treat this as a document with an HTML element
containing a HEAD element and a BODY element. For all three of these
elements, both start *and* end tags are optional. (But please don't make
life difficult by omitting them. Leaving out optional tags can make code
harder to maintain.) Since the TITLE element belongs in the HEAD element
and the P element belongs in the BODY element, the agent correctly
inserts each of them where it belongs in its internal representation of
the document.

Also, any time you have a table without TBODY tags, a TBODY element is
imputed, and all the TR elements that aren't in a THEAD or TFOOT are
placed inside it.

Aside from that, I appreciate the desire to keep things simple, but it
can be a real pain to discuss code when people keep using the wrong
names for things--like when they call attributes "tags", as in "Your
images are missing ALT tags". When tags are tags but elements,
attributes, and document type declarations are also tags, it's hard to
be confident that what people have in mind corresponds to what they are
saying.
 
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Jukka K. Korpela
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      09-07-2006
<> scripsit:

> We launced HTML.net earlier this year.


"We"? Never mind, I wouldn't take you seriously even if you wrote under your
real name, after reading the discussion here.

It is advisable to read a good tutorial before trying to read one. You
apparently didn't.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

 
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Andy Dingley
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      09-08-2006

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> "We"? Never mind, I wouldn't take you seriously even if you wrote under your
> real name, after reading the discussion here.


That's a shame. Why not actually read the thing ? Your opinion would
be valued.

 
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