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Arpan
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      08-30-2006
I am using the following code to cache the page output for 60 seconds:

<%@ OutputCache Duration="60" VaryByParam="*" %>

<script runat="server">
Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal ea As EventArgs)
lblOutput.Text = "Welcome, " & Request.Params("id") & " The
time now is " & DateTime.Now.ToString("T")
End Sub
</script>
<form runat="server">
<asp:Label ID="lblOutput" runat="server"/>
</form>

Suppose I type the following URL in the address bar (assume that the
above ASPX page exists in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ASPX & is named
CacheOutput.aspx):

http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=clive

Assume that the time shown is 2:43:18 PM. Ideally when I refresh the
page within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:18 PM.
Next I change the querystring value within a minute:

http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=andrew

Now assume that the time shown is 2:43:40 PM. When I refresh the page
within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:40 PM.

Next I change the value of the querystring "id" back to "clive" within
a minute. The time shown should still be 2:43:18 PM (& not the current
time) since the page has been cached for a minute. Changing the "id" to
"andrew" again within a minute should show the time as 2:43:40 PM (&
not the current time).

But what I find is on some occasions, the page output gets cached
correctly for 60 seconds but on other occasions, the page either
doesn't get cached at all or it gets cached for a few seconds i.e. the
time shown continuously changes to the current time even when I refresh
the page within a minute.

What's causing this eccentricity?

Thanks,

Arpan

 
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Karl Seguin [MVP]
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      08-30-2006
Arpan:
Two thoughts.

1st - I don't think the outputcache is guaranteed to cache for X seconds.
It's more of a suggestion for ASP.NET. It'll manage it's own memory however
it thinks best.

That said, I don't think that's your problem since you are only testing it
out.

2 - The cache will dump on an application reset. If you rebuild the app,
modify the web.config, change some dlls or any other number of things, the
cache will reset. You can add perf counters to see app restarts vs cache
misses.

Karl


--
http://www.openmymind.net/
http://www.fuelindustries.com/


"Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
>I am using the following code to cache the page output for 60 seconds:
>
> <%@ OutputCache Duration="60" VaryByParam="*" %>
>
> <script runat="server">
> Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal ea As EventArgs)
> lblOutput.Text = "Welcome, " & Request.Params("id") & " The
> time now is " & DateTime.Now.ToString("T")
> End Sub
> </script>
> <form runat="server">
> <asp:Label ID="lblOutput" runat="server"/>
> </form>
>
> Suppose I type the following URL in the address bar (assume that the
> above ASPX page exists in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ASPX & is named
> CacheOutput.aspx):
>
> http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=clive
>
> Assume that the time shown is 2:43:18 PM. Ideally when I refresh the
> page within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:18 PM.
> Next I change the querystring value within a minute:
>
> http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=andrew
>
> Now assume that the time shown is 2:43:40 PM. When I refresh the page
> within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:40 PM.
>
> Next I change the value of the querystring "id" back to "clive" within
> a minute. The time shown should still be 2:43:18 PM (& not the current
> time) since the page has been cached for a minute. Changing the "id" to
> "andrew" again within a minute should show the time as 2:43:40 PM (&
> not the current time).
>
> But what I find is on some occasions, the page output gets cached
> correctly for 60 seconds but on other occasions, the page either
> doesn't get cached at all or it gets cached for a few seconds i.e. the
> time shown continuously changes to the current time even when I refresh
> the page within a minute.
>
> What's causing this eccentricity?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arpan
>



 
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Arpan
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      08-31-2006
Karl, first of all, what are these perf counters & how & where do I add
them?

Secondly, since you have said that the OutputCache is not guaranteed to
cache for X seconds, that could be one of the reasons why the code I
have shown in post #1 behaves eccentrically but here's a sample code
wherein I am using the Cache object instead of OutputCache but still
encountering similar eccentric behavior.

Here I am adding a DataSet to the cache using the Cache object. The
DataSet holds records from a SQL Server DB table which are displayed in
a DataGrid. When this ASPX page is visited for the first time, the
DataSet gets created by explicitly retrieving the records from the DB
table but on subsequent visits (or refreshes), the DataSet with the
records is retrieved from the cache. This page also has a Button
clicking which will remove the DataSet from the cache i.e. the cache
will expire & a Label which displays from where the records are being
retrieved i.e. if the DataSet has been created using the DB table
explicitly, then the Label will display a message saying "DataSet
created from DB table" else it will display "DataSet retrieved from
cache". This is the code:

<script runat="server">
Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
If Not (Page.IsPostBack) Then
Call CreateData()
End If
End Sub

Sub CreateData()
Dim dSet As DataSet

'retrieve the DataSet from the Cache object
dSet = Cache("DataSet")
If (dSet Is Nothing) Then
Dim sqlConn As SqlConnection
Dim sqlDapter As SqlDataAdapter

sqlConn = New SqlConnection(".......")
sqlDapter = New SqlDataAdapter("SELECT * FROM tblMarks",
sqlConn)
dSet = New DataSet
sqlDapter.Fill(dSet, "Marks")

'store the DataSet in the Cache object
Cache("DataSet") = dSet

lblMessage.Text = "DataSet created from DB table"
Else
lblMessage.Text = "DataSet retrieved from cache"
End If

dgMarks.DataSource = dSet
dgMarks.DataBind()
End Sub

Sub ExpireCache(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
'remove the DataSet from the Cache object
Cache.Remove("DataSet")
Call CreateData()
End Sub
</script>

<form runat="server">
<asp:Label ID="lblMessage" runat="server"/><br>
<asp:Button ID="btnExpireCache" OnClick="ExpireCache" Text="EXPIRE
CACHE" runat="server"/><br>
<aspataGrid ID="dgMarks" runat="server"/>
</form>

Here too I find that the message (whether the DataSet has been created
from the DB table or the DataSet has been retrieved from the cache) the
Label displays are erratic. For e.g. when I visit the page for the
first time, the Label says "DataSet created from DB table"....that's
fine. Next when I refresh this page, on some occasions, the Label
wrongly displays the same message & on some other occasions, the Label
correctly displays the message "DataSet retrieved from cache".

This eccentricity also comes up when I click the "EXPIRE CACHE" Button.
When the Button is clicked, the cache expires & hence the Label should
display "DataSet created from DB table" but here too, sometimes the
Label displays this message correctly & sometimes, the Label wrongly
displays "DataSet retrieved from the cache".

Note that I am not using OutputCache anywhere in the code; so why this
eccentricity? Is it something like there is no guarantee what will be
stored in the Cache object in ASP.NET?

Thanks,

Regards,

Arpan

Karl Seguin [MVP] wrote:
> Arpan:
> Two thoughts.
>
> 1st - I don't think the outputcache is guaranteed to cache for X seconds.
> It's more of a suggestion for ASP.NET. It'll manage it's own memory however
> it thinks best.
>
> That said, I don't think that's your problem since you are only testing it
> out.
>
> 2 - The cache will dump on an application reset. If you rebuild the app,
> modify the web.config, change some dlls or any other number of things, the
> cache will reset. You can add perf counters to see app restarts vs cache
> misses.
>
> Karl
>
>
> --
> http://www.openmymind.net/
> http://www.fuelindustries.com/
>
>
> "Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> >I am using the following code to cache the page output for 60 seconds:
> >
> > <%@ OutputCache Duration="60" VaryByParam="*" %>
> >
> > <script runat="server">
> > Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal ea As EventArgs)
> > lblOutput.Text = "Welcome, " & Request.Params("id") & " The
> > time now is " & DateTime.Now.ToString("T")
> > End Sub
> > </script>
> > <form runat="server">
> > <asp:Label ID="lblOutput" runat="server"/>
> > </form>
> >
> > Suppose I type the following URL in the address bar (assume that the
> > above ASPX page exists in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ASPX & is named
> > CacheOutput.aspx):
> >
> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=clive
> >
> > Assume that the time shown is 2:43:18 PM. Ideally when I refresh the
> > page within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:18 PM.
> > Next I change the querystring value within a minute:
> >
> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=andrew
> >
> > Now assume that the time shown is 2:43:40 PM. When I refresh the page
> > within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:40 PM.
> >
> > Next I change the value of the querystring "id" back to "clive" within
> > a minute. The time shown should still be 2:43:18 PM (& not the current
> > time) since the page has been cached for a minute. Changing the "id" to
> > "andrew" again within a minute should show the time as 2:43:40 PM (&
> > not the current time).
> >
> > But what I find is on some occasions, the page output gets cached
> > correctly for 60 seconds but on other occasions, the page either
> > doesn't get cached at all or it gets cached for a few seconds i.e. the
> > time shown continuously changes to the current time even when I refresh
> > the page within a minute.
> >
> > What's causing this eccentricity?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Arpan
> >


 
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Karl Seguin [MVP]
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      08-31-2006
Arpan:
The Cache object also isn't guaranteed not to drop. You can set a priority
(as the last argument I think)....but I even that's only a recommendation.
If this is on your own machine with little load (i.e., only you doing some
dev/test), then I wouldn't expect it to be a problem - it should cache when
you tell it to cache.

The same things that would cause your OutputCache to dump would also cause
the Cache object to dump (namely, an app reset). If you are in debug mode
(either your project or you web.config debug="true") the App Process _will_
recycle quite a bit. I'd still expect it to be pretty consistent though...so
I'm not sure this is the problem.

If you goto start --> run --> perfmon you can "Add counters" via the right
click, pick ASP.NET vXXXX from the Performance Object and "Application
Restart" shoudl be the first item..you should also seem caching counters.
You want to run this on the machine that your webserver is running.

Karl

P.S. - Option Strict in VB.NET is a nice option to turn on


--
http://www.openmymind.net/
http://www.fuelindustries.com/


"Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> Karl, first of all, what are these perf counters & how & where do I add
> them?
>
> Secondly, since you have said that the OutputCache is not guaranteed to
> cache for X seconds, that could be one of the reasons why the code I
> have shown in post #1 behaves eccentrically but here's a sample code
> wherein I am using the Cache object instead of OutputCache but still
> encountering similar eccentric behavior.
>
> Here I am adding a DataSet to the cache using the Cache object. The
> DataSet holds records from a SQL Server DB table which are displayed in
> a DataGrid. When this ASPX page is visited for the first time, the
> DataSet gets created by explicitly retrieving the records from the DB
> table but on subsequent visits (or refreshes), the DataSet with the
> records is retrieved from the cache. This page also has a Button
> clicking which will remove the DataSet from the cache i.e. the cache
> will expire & a Label which displays from where the records are being
> retrieved i.e. if the DataSet has been created using the DB table
> explicitly, then the Label will display a message saying "DataSet
> created from DB table" else it will display "DataSet retrieved from
> cache". This is the code:
>
> <script runat="server">
> Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
> If Not (Page.IsPostBack) Then
> Call CreateData()
> End If
> End Sub
>
> Sub CreateData()
> Dim dSet As DataSet
>
> 'retrieve the DataSet from the Cache object
> dSet = Cache("DataSet")
> If (dSet Is Nothing) Then
> Dim sqlConn As SqlConnection
> Dim sqlDapter As SqlDataAdapter
>
> sqlConn = New SqlConnection(".......")
> sqlDapter = New SqlDataAdapter("SELECT * FROM tblMarks",
> sqlConn)
> dSet = New DataSet
> sqlDapter.Fill(dSet, "Marks")
>
> 'store the DataSet in the Cache object
> Cache("DataSet") = dSet
>
> lblMessage.Text = "DataSet created from DB table"
> Else
> lblMessage.Text = "DataSet retrieved from cache"
> End If
>
> dgMarks.DataSource = dSet
> dgMarks.DataBind()
> End Sub
>
> Sub ExpireCache(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
> 'remove the DataSet from the Cache object
> Cache.Remove("DataSet")
> Call CreateData()
> End Sub
> </script>
>
> <form runat="server">
> <asp:Label ID="lblMessage" runat="server"/><br>
> <asp:Button ID="btnExpireCache" OnClick="ExpireCache" Text="EXPIRE
> CACHE" runat="server"/><br>
> <aspataGrid ID="dgMarks" runat="server"/>
> </form>
>
> Here too I find that the message (whether the DataSet has been created
> from the DB table or the DataSet has been retrieved from the cache) the
> Label displays are erratic. For e.g. when I visit the page for the
> first time, the Label says "DataSet created from DB table"....that's
> fine. Next when I refresh this page, on some occasions, the Label
> wrongly displays the same message & on some other occasions, the Label
> correctly displays the message "DataSet retrieved from cache".
>
> This eccentricity also comes up when I click the "EXPIRE CACHE" Button.
> When the Button is clicked, the cache expires & hence the Label should
> display "DataSet created from DB table" but here too, sometimes the
> Label displays this message correctly & sometimes, the Label wrongly
> displays "DataSet retrieved from the cache".
>
> Note that I am not using OutputCache anywhere in the code; so why this
> eccentricity? Is it something like there is no guarantee what will be
> stored in the Cache object in ASP.NET?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regards,
>
> Arpan
>
> Karl Seguin [MVP] wrote:
>> Arpan:
>> Two thoughts.
>>
>> 1st - I don't think the outputcache is guaranteed to cache for X seconds.
>> It's more of a suggestion for ASP.NET. It'll manage it's own memory
>> however
>> it thinks best.
>>
>> That said, I don't think that's your problem since you are only testing
>> it
>> out.
>>
>> 2 - The cache will dump on an application reset. If you rebuild the app,
>> modify the web.config, change some dlls or any other number of things,
>> the
>> cache will reset. You can add perf counters to see app restarts vs cache
>> misses.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.openmymind.net/
>> http://www.fuelindustries.com/
>>
>>
>> "Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
>> >I am using the following code to cache the page output for 60 seconds:
>> >
>> > <%@ OutputCache Duration="60" VaryByParam="*" %>
>> >
>> > <script runat="server">
>> > Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal ea As EventArgs)
>> > lblOutput.Text = "Welcome, " & Request.Params("id") & " The
>> > time now is " & DateTime.Now.ToString("T")
>> > End Sub
>> > </script>
>> > <form runat="server">
>> > <asp:Label ID="lblOutput" runat="server"/>
>> > </form>
>> >
>> > Suppose I type the following URL in the address bar (assume that the
>> > above ASPX page exists in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ASPX & is named
>> > CacheOutput.aspx):
>> >
>> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=clive
>> >
>> > Assume that the time shown is 2:43:18 PM. Ideally when I refresh the
>> > page within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:18 PM.
>> > Next I change the querystring value within a minute:
>> >
>> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=andrew
>> >
>> > Now assume that the time shown is 2:43:40 PM. When I refresh the page
>> > within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:40 PM.
>> >
>> > Next I change the value of the querystring "id" back to "clive" within
>> > a minute. The time shown should still be 2:43:18 PM (& not the current
>> > time) since the page has been cached for a minute. Changing the "id" to
>> > "andrew" again within a minute should show the time as 2:43:40 PM (&
>> > not the current time).
>> >
>> > But what I find is on some occasions, the page output gets cached
>> > correctly for 60 seconds but on other occasions, the page either
>> > doesn't get cached at all or it gets cached for a few seconds i.e. the
>> > time shown continuously changes to the current time even when I refresh
>> > the page within a minute.
>> >
>> > What's causing this eccentricity?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Arpan
>> >

>



 
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Arpan
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      08-31-2006
> If this is on your own machine with little load (i.e., only you doing some
> dev/test), then I wouldn't expect it to be a problem - it should cache when
> you tell it to cache.


Karl, this is my own machine with 256MB RAM. I am working on Win2K Pro.
So the load shouldn't be too much but is 256MB RAM enough for a machine
which has the .NET Framework v2.0, its entire documentation & VS.NET
2005 Express Edition (along with SQL Server 2005 Management Studio
Express & Books Online) installed? The reason I am asking this is
because when I open a project in VS.NET, it takes quite a lot of time
to open the project. Closing VS.NET takes a lot of time as well (in
fact, more than the time taken to load a project). & whenever I am
working with ASP.NET & VS.NET, once everyday, Win2K generates a message
saying that my system is running on low virtual memory (or something of
that sort).

So could the 256MB RAM be the reason why the cache is behaving
erratically?

Thanks,

Regards,

Arpan


Karl Seguin [MVP] wrote:
> Arpan:
> The Cache object also isn't guaranteed not to drop. You can set a priority
> (as the last argument I think)....but I even that's only a recommendation.
> If this is on your own machine with little load (i.e., only you doing some
> dev/test), then I wouldn't expect it to be a problem - it should cache when
> you tell it to cache.
>
> The same things that would cause your OutputCache to dump would also cause
> the Cache object to dump (namely, an app reset). If you are in debug mode
> (either your project or you web.config debug="true") the App Process _will_
> recycle quite a bit. I'd still expect it to be pretty consistent though...so
> I'm not sure this is the problem.
>
> If you goto start --> run --> perfmon you can "Add counters" via the right
> click, pick ASP.NET vXXXX from the Performance Object and "Application
> Restart" shoudl be the first item..you should also seem caching counters.
> You want to run this on the machine that your webserver is running.
>
> Karl
>
> P.S. - Option Strict in VB.NET is a nice option to turn on
>
>
> --
> http://www.openmymind.net/
> http://www.fuelindustries.com/
>
>
> "Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> > Karl, first of all, what are these perf counters & how & where do I add
> > them?
> >
> > Secondly, since you have said that the OutputCache is not guaranteed to
> > cache for X seconds, that could be one of the reasons why the code I
> > have shown in post #1 behaves eccentrically but here's a sample code
> > wherein I am using the Cache object instead of OutputCache but still
> > encountering similar eccentric behavior.
> >
> > Here I am adding a DataSet to the cache using the Cache object. The
> > DataSet holds records from a SQL Server DB table which are displayed in
> > a DataGrid. When this ASPX page is visited for the first time, the
> > DataSet gets created by explicitly retrieving the records from the DB
> > table but on subsequent visits (or refreshes), the DataSet with the
> > records is retrieved from the cache. This page also has a Button
> > clicking which will remove the DataSet from the cache i.e. the cache
> > will expire & a Label which displays from where the records are being
> > retrieved i.e. if the DataSet has been created using the DB table
> > explicitly, then the Label will display a message saying "DataSet
> > created from DB table" else it will display "DataSet retrieved from
> > cache". This is the code:
> >
> > <script runat="server">
> > Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
> > If Not (Page.IsPostBack) Then
> > Call CreateData()
> > End If
> > End Sub
> >
> > Sub CreateData()
> > Dim dSet As DataSet
> >
> > 'retrieve the DataSet from the Cache object
> > dSet = Cache("DataSet")
> > If (dSet Is Nothing) Then
> > Dim sqlConn As SqlConnection
> > Dim sqlDapter As SqlDataAdapter
> >
> > sqlConn = New SqlConnection(".......")
> > sqlDapter = New SqlDataAdapter("SELECT * FROM tblMarks",
> > sqlConn)
> > dSet = New DataSet
> > sqlDapter.Fill(dSet, "Marks")
> >
> > 'store the DataSet in the Cache object
> > Cache("DataSet") = dSet
> >
> > lblMessage.Text = "DataSet created from DB table"
> > Else
> > lblMessage.Text = "DataSet retrieved from cache"
> > End If
> >
> > dgMarks.DataSource = dSet
> > dgMarks.DataBind()
> > End Sub
> >
> > Sub ExpireCache(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
> > 'remove the DataSet from the Cache object
> > Cache.Remove("DataSet")
> > Call CreateData()
> > End Sub
> > </script>
> >
> > <form runat="server">
> > <asp:Label ID="lblMessage" runat="server"/><br>
> > <asp:Button ID="btnExpireCache" OnClick="ExpireCache" Text="EXPIRE
> > CACHE" runat="server"/><br>
> > <aspataGrid ID="dgMarks" runat="server"/>
> > </form>
> >
> > Here too I find that the message (whether the DataSet has been created
> > from the DB table or the DataSet has been retrieved from the cache) the
> > Label displays are erratic. For e.g. when I visit the page for the
> > first time, the Label says "DataSet created from DB table"....that's
> > fine. Next when I refresh this page, on some occasions, the Label
> > wrongly displays the same message & on some other occasions, the Label
> > correctly displays the message "DataSet retrieved from cache".
> >
> > This eccentricity also comes up when I click the "EXPIRE CACHE" Button.
> > When the Button is clicked, the cache expires & hence the Label should
> > display "DataSet created from DB table" but here too, sometimes the
> > Label displays this message correctly & sometimes, the Label wrongly
> > displays "DataSet retrieved from the cache".
> >
> > Note that I am not using OutputCache anywhere in the code; so why this
> > eccentricity? Is it something like there is no guarantee what will be
> > stored in the Cache object in ASP.NET?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Arpan
> >
> > Karl Seguin [MVP] wrote:
> >> Arpan:
> >> Two thoughts.
> >>
> >> 1st - I don't think the outputcache is guaranteed to cache for X seconds.
> >> It's more of a suggestion for ASP.NET. It'll manage it's own memory
> >> however
> >> it thinks best.
> >>
> >> That said, I don't think that's your problem since you are only testing
> >> it
> >> out.
> >>
> >> 2 - The cache will dump on an application reset. If you rebuild the app,
> >> modify the web.config, change some dlls or any other number of things,
> >> the
> >> cache will reset. You can add perf counters to see app restarts vs cache
> >> misses.
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.openmymind.net/
> >> http://www.fuelindustries.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> >> >I am using the following code to cache the page output for 60 seconds:
> >> >
> >> > <%@ OutputCache Duration="60" VaryByParam="*" %>
> >> >
> >> > <script runat="server">
> >> > Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal ea As EventArgs)
> >> > lblOutput.Text = "Welcome, " & Request.Params("id") & " The
> >> > time now is " & DateTime.Now.ToString("T")
> >> > End Sub
> >> > </script>
> >> > <form runat="server">
> >> > <asp:Label ID="lblOutput" runat="server"/>
> >> > </form>
> >> >
> >> > Suppose I type the following URL in the address bar (assume that the
> >> > above ASPX page exists in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ASPX & is named
> >> > CacheOutput.aspx):
> >> >
> >> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=clive
> >> >
> >> > Assume that the time shown is 2:43:18 PM. Ideally when I refresh the
> >> > page within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:18 PM.
> >> > Next I change the querystring value within a minute:
> >> >
> >> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=andrew
> >> >
> >> > Now assume that the time shown is 2:43:40 PM. When I refresh the page
> >> > within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:40 PM.
> >> >
> >> > Next I change the value of the querystring "id" back to "clive" within
> >> > a minute. The time shown should still be 2:43:18 PM (& not the current
> >> > time) since the page has been cached for a minute. Changing the "id" to
> >> > "andrew" again within a minute should show the time as 2:43:40 PM (&
> >> > not the current time).
> >> >
> >> > But what I find is on some occasions, the page output gets cached
> >> > correctly for 60 seconds but on other occasions, the page either
> >> > doesn't get cached at all or it gets cached for a few seconds i.e. the
> >> > time shown continuously changes to the current time even when I refresh
> >> > the page within a minute.
> >> >
> >> > What's causing this eccentricity?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Arpan
> >> >

> >


 
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> So the load shouldn't be too much but is 256MB RAM enough for a machine
> which has the .NET Framework v2.0, its entire documentation & VS.NET
> 2005 Express Edition (along with SQL Server 2005 Management Studio
> Express & Books Online) installed?


The bare minimum for that setup is 512MB RAM; 1 GB is recommended

re:
> So could the 256MB RAM be the reason why the cache is behaving erratically?


Yes.

When you run out of physical RAM, the system needs to page memory to disk.
That causes all sorts of response problems.




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"Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> If this is on your own machine with little load (i.e., only you doing some
>> dev/test), then I wouldn't expect it to be a problem - it should cache when
>> you tell it to cache.

>
> Karl, this is my own machine with 256MB RAM. I am working on Win2K Pro.
> So the load shouldn't be too much but is 256MB RAM enough for a machine
> which has the .NET Framework v2.0, its entire documentation & VS.NET
> 2005 Express Edition (along with SQL Server 2005 Management Studio
> Express & Books Online) installed? The reason I am asking this is
> because when I open a project in VS.NET, it takes quite a lot of time
> to open the project. Closing VS.NET takes a lot of time as well (in
> fact, more than the time taken to load a project). & whenever I am
> working with ASP.NET & VS.NET, once everyday, Win2K generates a message
> saying that my system is running on low virtual memory (or something of
> that sort).
>
> So could the 256MB RAM be the reason why the cache is behaving
> erratically?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regards,
>
> Arpan
>
>
> Karl Seguin [MVP] wrote:
>> Arpan:
>> The Cache object also isn't guaranteed not to drop. You can set a priority
>> (as the last argument I think)....but I even that's only a recommendation.
>> If this is on your own machine with little load (i.e., only you doing some
>> dev/test), then I wouldn't expect it to be a problem - it should cache when
>> you tell it to cache.
>>
>> The same things that would cause your OutputCache to dump would also cause
>> the Cache object to dump (namely, an app reset). If you are in debug mode
>> (either your project or you web.config debug="true") the App Process _will_
>> recycle quite a bit. I'd still expect it to be pretty consistent though...so
>> I'm not sure this is the problem.
>>
>> If you goto start --> run --> perfmon you can "Add counters" via the right
>> click, pick ASP.NET vXXXX from the Performance Object and "Application
>> Restart" shoudl be the first item..you should also seem caching counters.
>> You want to run this on the machine that your webserver is running.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>> P.S. - Option Strict in VB.NET is a nice option to turn on
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.openmymind.net/
>> http://www.fuelindustries.com/
>>
>>
>> "Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> > Karl, first of all, what are these perf counters & how & where do I add
>> > them?
>> >
>> > Secondly, since you have said that the OutputCache is not guaranteed to
>> > cache for X seconds, that could be one of the reasons why the code I
>> > have shown in post #1 behaves eccentrically but here's a sample code
>> > wherein I am using the Cache object instead of OutputCache but still
>> > encountering similar eccentric behavior.
>> >
>> > Here I am adding a DataSet to the cache using the Cache object. The
>> > DataSet holds records from a SQL Server DB table which are displayed in
>> > a DataGrid. When this ASPX page is visited for the first time, the
>> > DataSet gets created by explicitly retrieving the records from the DB
>> > table but on subsequent visits (or refreshes), the DataSet with the
>> > records is retrieved from the cache. This page also has a Button
>> > clicking which will remove the DataSet from the cache i.e. the cache
>> > will expire & a Label which displays from where the records are being
>> > retrieved i.e. if the DataSet has been created using the DB table
>> > explicitly, then the Label will display a message saying "DataSet
>> > created from DB table" else it will display "DataSet retrieved from
>> > cache". This is the code:
>> >
>> > <script runat="server">
>> > Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
>> > If Not (Page.IsPostBack) Then
>> > Call CreateData()
>> > End If
>> > End Sub
>> >
>> > Sub CreateData()
>> > Dim dSet As DataSet
>> >
>> > 'retrieve the DataSet from the Cache object
>> > dSet = Cache("DataSet")
>> > If (dSet Is Nothing) Then
>> > Dim sqlConn As SqlConnection
>> > Dim sqlDapter As SqlDataAdapter
>> >
>> > sqlConn = New SqlConnection(".......")
>> > sqlDapter = New SqlDataAdapter("SELECT * FROM tblMarks",
>> > sqlConn)
>> > dSet = New DataSet
>> > sqlDapter.Fill(dSet, "Marks")
>> >
>> > 'store the DataSet in the Cache object
>> > Cache("DataSet") = dSet
>> >
>> > lblMessage.Text = "DataSet created from DB table"
>> > Else
>> > lblMessage.Text = "DataSet retrieved from cache"
>> > End If
>> >
>> > dgMarks.DataSource = dSet
>> > dgMarks.DataBind()
>> > End Sub
>> >
>> > Sub ExpireCache(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal eas As EventArgs)
>> > 'remove the DataSet from the Cache object
>> > Cache.Remove("DataSet")
>> > Call CreateData()
>> > End Sub
>> > </script>
>> >
>> > <form runat="server">
>> > <asp:Label ID="lblMessage" runat="server"/><br>
>> > <asp:Button ID="btnExpireCache" OnClick="ExpireCache" Text="EXPIRE
>> > CACHE" runat="server"/><br>
>> > <aspataGrid ID="dgMarks" runat="server"/>
>> > </form>
>> >
>> > Here too I find that the message (whether the DataSet has been created
>> > from the DB table or the DataSet has been retrieved from the cache) the
>> > Label displays are erratic. For e.g. when I visit the page for the
>> > first time, the Label says "DataSet created from DB table"....that's
>> > fine. Next when I refresh this page, on some occasions, the Label
>> > wrongly displays the same message & on some other occasions, the Label
>> > correctly displays the message "DataSet retrieved from cache".
>> >
>> > This eccentricity also comes up when I click the "EXPIRE CACHE" Button.
>> > When the Button is clicked, the cache expires & hence the Label should
>> > display "DataSet created from DB table" but here too, sometimes the
>> > Label displays this message correctly & sometimes, the Label wrongly
>> > displays "DataSet retrieved from the cache".
>> >
>> > Note that I am not using OutputCache anywhere in the code; so why this
>> > eccentricity? Is it something like there is no guarantee what will be
>> > stored in the Cache object in ASP.NET?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Arpan
>> >
>> > Karl Seguin [MVP] wrote:
>> >> Arpan:
>> >> Two thoughts.
>> >>
>> >> 1st - I don't think the outputcache is guaranteed to cache for X seconds.
>> >> It's more of a suggestion for ASP.NET. It'll manage it's own memory
>> >> however
>> >> it thinks best.
>> >>
>> >> That said, I don't think that's your problem since you are only testing
>> >> it
>> >> out.
>> >>
>> >> 2 - The cache will dump on an application reset. If you rebuild the app,
>> >> modify the web.config, change some dlls or any other number of things,
>> >> the
>> >> cache will reset. You can add perf counters to see app restarts vs cache
>> >> misses.
>> >>
>> >> Karl
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.openmymind.net/
>> >> http://www.fuelindustries.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Arpan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
>> >> >I am using the following code to cache the page output for 60 seconds:
>> >> >
>> >> > <%@ OutputCache Duration="60" VaryByParam="*" %>
>> >> >
>> >> > <script runat="server">
>> >> > Sub Page_Load(ByVal obj As Object, ByVal ea As EventArgs)
>> >> > lblOutput.Text = "Welcome, " & Request.Params("id") & " The
>> >> > time now is " & DateTime.Now.ToString("T")
>> >> > End Sub
>> >> > </script>
>> >> > <form runat="server">
>> >> > <asp:Label ID="lblOutput" runat="server"/>
>> >> > </form>
>> >> >
>> >> > Suppose I type the following URL in the address bar (assume that the
>> >> > above ASPX page exists in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ASPX & is named
>> >> > CacheOutput.aspx):
>> >> >
>> >> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=clive
>> >> >
>> >> > Assume that the time shown is 2:43:18 PM. Ideally when I refresh the
>> >> > page within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:18 PM.
>> >> > Next I change the querystring value within a minute:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://myserver/ASPX/CacheOutput.aspx?id=andrew
>> >> >
>> >> > Now assume that the time shown is 2:43:40 PM. When I refresh the page
>> >> > within a minute, the time should remain the same i.e. 2:43:40 PM.
>> >> >
>> >> > Next I change the value of the querystring "id" back to "clive" within
>> >> > a minute. The time shown should still be 2:43:18 PM (& not the current
>> >> > time) since the page has been cached for a minute. Changing the "id" to
>> >> > "andrew" again within a minute should show the time as 2:43:40 PM (&
>> >> > not the current time).
>> >> >
>> >> > But what I find is on some occasions, the page output gets cached
>> >> > correctly for 60 seconds but on other occasions, the page either
>> >> > doesn't get cached at all or it gets cached for a few seconds i.e. the
>> >> > time shown continuously changes to the current time even when I refresh
>> >> > the page within a minute.
>> >> >
>> >> > What's causing this eccentricity?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Arpan
>> >> >
>> >

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