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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:20:15 -0400, "MereGoddess"
<> wrote:

>Hi
>
>I'm thinking of installing firefox and trying it out. I would like some
>opinions if you have them.
>
>1. Basic. Does it work? lol
>2. Can you run it AND explorer or do I have to uninstall explorer?
>3. Does it run smoothly, or does it have bugs?
>4. Do you like it better than IE?
>
>I really would like to try it as it seems my IE has corrupted files that I
>haven't been able to fix and I really didn't want to have to re install it
>or try IE 7.0 in the beta version.
>
>Any and all comments, opinions would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks!
>

Others answered your Firefox questions, but no one told you how to fix
IE.

Go to My Computer / Control panel / Add-Remove Programs
Scroll down to Microsoft Internet Explorer.
Click the REMOVE button
This will NOT remove IE. It will bring up a window to FIX it.
Let it run, and it will want you to reboot at the end. So close all
other software.

You might need your windows install CD unless you got them on your
harddrive. (like I do).

I like Firefox, but I have been having troubles with it crashing
lately. I am trying to fix it, but I also use IE. Many people on
here really cut down IE, and I can understand that this is a Firefox /
Mozilla newsgroup, so they want to promote it. But we all have IE on
our computers if we use MS Windows, and love it or hate it, it's still
there. IE is integrated into Windows, so it cant be removed. IE has
it's flaws and bugs, and its a security risk, but I still use it.
Firefox works, but it too has flaws, and seems to crash easier, at
least thats been my biggest complaint about it. Yet, I like the way
firefox works, much better than IE (when it works). If it was not for
the crashing, I'd give FF the thumbs up almost 100%. The only other
disadvantage of FF is that it takes much more hands on tinkering than
IE. Some people seem to like that. Myself, I hate having to spend
time with stuff like that. I just want to go on the web and forget
about the computer. One other thing, IE has one advantage, it loads
much faster than FF. Thats why I use FF if I am doing a serious web
session, but if I just want to view a link from an email, I use IE
because I dont want to wait for FF to load.

KN

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:03:10 -0500, KN_____@cast.com wrote:

> Others answered your Firefox questions, but no one told you how to fix
> IE.
>
> Go to My Computer / Control panel / Add-Remove Programs
> Scroll down to Microsoft Internet Explorer.
> Click the REMOVE button
> This will NOT remove IE. It will bring up a window to FIX it.
> Let it run, and it will want you to reboot at the end. So close all
> other software.
>
> You might need your windows install CD unless you got them on your
> harddrive. (like I do).
>
> I like Firefox, but I have been having troubles with it crashing
> lately. I am trying to fix it, but I also use IE. Many people on
> here really cut down IE, and I can understand that this is a Firefox /
> Mozilla newsgroup, so they want to promote it. But we all have IE on
> our computers if we use MS Windows, and love it or hate it, it's still
> there. IE is integrated into Windows, so it cant be removed.

IE can be removed. One of my 98 systems does not have IE on it at all. I
used 98lite to remove mine and never had a problem in something like the
last 5 or 6 years. See either of these:

http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html
http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html

Since not all systems are the same, I do recommend backing up before
removing IE. I can imagine situations where someone could kill their OS if
something goes wrong, but it's not likely.

> IE has
> it's flaws and bugs, and its a security risk, but I still use it.
> Firefox works, but it too has flaws, and seems to crash easier, at
> least thats been my biggest complaint about it. Yet, I like the way
> firefox works, much better than IE (when it works). If it was not for
> the crashing, I'd give FF the thumbs up almost 100%. The only other
> disadvantage of FF is that it takes much more hands on tinkering than
> IE. Some people seem to like that. Myself, I hate having to spend
> time with stuff like that. I just want to go on the web and forget
> about the computer. One other thing, IE has one advantage, it loads
> much faster than FF.

That's partially fixable. IE does have the advantage in this area though.
Most of it's required components are loaded when you start Windows, which
is why Windows can be slow to start. Because so much of IE is already
loaded, it appears to start quicker when you click to open it.

To speed up firefox, it is always good to reduce the amount of unneeded
extensions and themes. Just keep what you actually use. Reduce you history
from the default down to just a few days, unless you really need it longer.
Set the download manager to remove "Upon successful download." On slow
systems, Firefox will close faster if you reduce the disk cache size to
something like 16 megs. My Firefox starts in about 4 to 7 seconds using
Win98se on a 233Mhz P2 with 64 megs RAM. Before making all these changes,
it took around 35 to 40 seconds to start.

My other system, that has no IE on it boots in just 13 seconds! It's the
same CPU as this one that takes just over a minute to boot. I attribute the
difference mainly to the fact that the fast one isn't trying to load IE
components every time it boots.

> Thats why I use FF if I am doing a serious web
> session, but if I just want to view a link from an email, I use IE
> because I dont want to wait for FF to load.

Does it take long to load for you after the first time? Mine might take up
to 7 seconds the first time it is opened during a Windows session, but it's
usually about 4 seconds for any successive openings.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:47:23 -0500, KN_____@cast.com wrote:

> I should caution about that IEradicate. I used it a few years ago on
> Win98SE. I had system problems after using it.

Which is way I suggested backing up first. I actually never used the
IEradicate program. I used 98Lite instead. It removed IE without many
problems. I had to update a couple dlls to get something to install a
couple times after I did it, but that was all within the first month. After
that, everything stabilized and that system has been running for years
without trouble since then.

> So, I guess I was a little deceiving when I said you cant remove IE.
> In reality, part of IE is still loading, but the browser itself can be
> removed. Like I said, I wont recommend it though.

I generally don't recommend it either unless someone has made backups, and
they know what they're doing. It can result in a small and fast OS, but is
a bit too aggressive on what it takes out. Finding and replacing needed
dlls for nearly a month is not something most people are willing to do. I
only did it on one of my computers. I wanted to keep IE around on the
other, just in case. It isn't needed often, but a few things like windoze
updates are easier with it. Even then, I usually just found the updates I
needed by searching through the Microsoft download site with Firefox.

I learned not to use most Microsoft updates, unless they claimed to address
a problem I was actually having. The worst was that darned "map network
drives" update. It caused the problem it was supposed to prevent, and lots
more. I learned quickly how to remove that one. It would not surprise me if
Microsoft put out updates for Win98, toward the end of it's life-cycle,
that they knew would cause subtle problems, in order to nudge more people
into moving to 2000 or XP.

FoxWolfie Galen wrote:
> It would not surprise me if
> Microsoft put out updates for Win98, toward the end of it's life-cycle,
> that they knew would cause subtle problems, in order to nudge more people
> into moving to 2000 or XP.
well, you guessed wrong. They put out dick-all. MS had abandoned
win98 a long time ago. Way before it end of its life cycle

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:12:16 -0400, FoxWolfie Galen
<> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:03:10 -0500, KN_____@cast.com wrote:
>
>> Others answered your Firefox questions, but no one told you how to fix
>> IE.
>>
>> Go to My Computer / Control panel / Add-Remove Programs
>> Scroll down to Microsoft Internet Explorer.
>> Click the REMOVE button
>> This will NOT remove IE. It will bring up a window to FIX it.
>> Let it run, and it will want you to reboot at the end. So close all
>> other software.
>>
>> You might need your windows install CD unless you got them on your
>> harddrive. (like I do).
>>
>> I like Firefox, but I have been having troubles with it crashing
>> lately. I am trying to fix it, but I also use IE. Many people on
>> here really cut down IE, and I can understand that this is a Firefox /
>> Mozilla newsgroup, so they want to promote it. But we all have IE on
>> our computers if we use MS Windows, and love it or hate it, it's still
>> there. IE is integrated into Windows, so it cant be removed.
>
>IE can be removed. One of my 98 systems does not have IE on it at all. I
>used 98lite to remove mine and never had a problem in something like the
>last 5 or 6 years. See either of these:
>
> http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html
> http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html
>
>Since not all systems are the same, I do recommend backing up before
>removing IE. I can imagine situations where someone could kill their OS if
>something goes wrong, but it's not likely.
>
>> IE has
>> it's flaws and bugs, and its a security risk, but I still use it.
>> Firefox works, but it too has flaws, and seems to crash easier, at
>> least thats been my biggest complaint about it. Yet, I like the way
>> firefox works, much better than IE (when it works). If it was not for
>> the crashing, I'd give FF the thumbs up almost 100%. The only other
>> disadvantage of FF is that it takes much more hands on tinkering than
>> IE. Some people seem to like that. Myself, I hate having to spend
>> time with stuff like that. I just want to go on the web and forget
>> about the computer. One other thing, IE has one advantage, it loads
>> much faster than FF.
>
>That's partially fixable. IE does have the advantage in this area though.
>Most of it's required components are loaded when you start Windows, which
>is why Windows can be slow to start. Because so much of IE is already
>loaded, it appears to start quicker when you click to open it.
>
>To speed up firefox, it is always good to reduce the amount of unneeded
>extensions and themes. Just keep what you actually use. Reduce you history
>from the default down to just a few days, unless you really need it longer.
>Set the download manager to remove "Upon successful download." On slow
>systems, Firefox will close faster if you reduce the disk cache size to
>something like 16 megs. My Firefox starts in about 4 to 7 seconds using
>Win98se on a 233Mhz P2 with 64 megs RAM. Before making all these changes,
>it took around 35 to 40 seconds to start.
>
>My other system, that has no IE on it boots in just 13 seconds! It's the
>same CPU as this one that takes just over a minute to boot. I attribute the
>difference mainly to the fact that the fast one isn't trying to load IE
>components every time it boots.
>
>> Thats why I use FF if I am doing a serious web
>> session, but if I just want to view a link from an email, I use IE
>> because I dont want to wait for FF to load.
>
>Does it take long to load for you after the first time? Mine might take up
>to 7 seconds the first time it is opened during a Windows session, but it's
>usually about 4 seconds for any successive openings.

No, it loads quickly once I initially got FF started. That's why I
said if I am doing some serious web browsing I used FF, but for a
quickie link, use IE.

Thanks for all the helpful tips.

I should caution about that IEradicate. I used it a few years ago on
Win98SE. I had system problems after using it. To be real honest, I
can no longer remember just what happened except I know my desktop got
all screwed up, but there were other problems too. I ended up
reinstalling IE. (I never really planned to get rid of it anyhow, I
just had a bug in IE that kept re-occuring even after running the "IE
fixer". Using that IEradicate and reinstalling solved the problem,
but like I said, it caused others. I do recall having to run "Windows
Install" afterwards. I didnt start over, just installed on top of
what was there.

So, I guess I was a little deceiving when I said you cant remove IE.
In reality, part of IE is still loading, but the browser itself can be
removed. Like I said, I wont recommend it though.

KN

"MereGoddess" <> in
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> Hi
>
> I'm thinking of installing firefox and trying it out. I would like
> some opinions if you have them.
>
> 1. Basic. Does it work? lol

a lot of us claim it does, but it's also possible none of us exist.

> 2. Can you run it AND explorer or do I have to uninstall explorer?
they have no effect on each other AFAIK, except at first run, all browsers ask: "do you want XXX to be your default browser?"
"click this checkbox if you dont want XXXX to ask you this again."

> 3. Does it run smoothly, or does it have bugs?
everything has faults. ff has the best balance of convneninet features and irritations for me.
anyway, if you notice lots of bugs, you can feed them to your kid's gecko, yes?

> 4. Do you like it better than IE?

hard to believe how annoying ie6 should have been now that i've been using tabbed browsers.

ie6 is old and ossified!!! 2001 era, at best.

> I really would like to try it as it seems my IE has corrupted files

oh my. corruption from within.
revolt.

> that I haven't been able to fix and I really didn't want to have to re
> install it or try IE 7.0 in the beta version.

regarding familiarity, i suspect *using* ie7 will be as different from ie6 as firefox is diff from ie6. so ie7 won't have any learning
curve advantage.
i guess that ie7 will still use favorites, and th'as probably the only significant carryover (i wonder how much ie7
security/privacy ui will differ from ie6's?)

> Any and all comments, opinions would be appreciated.

just get the current ff 1.5.0.6
and regularly backup your profile.

> Thanks!


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>> 2. Can you run it AND explorer


simultaneously sometimes, when dealing with bizarre stubborn sites.. last year one website required hopscotching from ff, to ie.
then further on the website balked, and i had to drag that back to firefox. whew!