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In todays posting
"Any wing2.0 users here?"
I found in the sentence
"What can you say about this IDE? He say's 'if I think it could
improve my productivity he's willing to buy it for me."

the indirect question:

Can a better Python IDE increase programmers productivity?

From my experience as (part-time) programmer I would tell, that the
actual productivity depends heavily on so many other things, that it
makes the IDE the last one in the chain of factors behind productivity.

What is your opinion?

Does the answer differ when coming from a programming team manager or
from a programmer himself?

If you are a Python software house manager, would you buy me the WingIDE
(a single OS license for Wing IDE Pro is $179 and a dual OS license is
$295) if I were working for you as a Python programmer or would you
point me to freeware solutions instead? Or would you expect me to buy it
myself as I should be interested to increase my productivity myself?

What IDE do the professional Python programmer teams behind Python
Software Foundation use?

And the most interesting question:

Which Python programming environment uses Guido van Rossum ???


Claudio

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I say it entirely depends on what your programming. For instance, if
creating a GUI, there is no question that a well developed high quality
IDE is a huge help -- from the point of view of stub generation and code
completion, as well as the GUI designer.

Conversly, if I'm writing a daemon or other text program, it matters
less. Code completion, syntax verification, and the like is still
useful (hence I use Eclipse -- but others do as well), but not nearly as
mandatory as it would be with other developments.

Dan

Claudio Grondi wrote:
>
> In todays posting
> "Any wing2.0 users here?"
> I found in the sentence
> "What can you say about this IDE? He say's 'if I think it could
> improve my productivity he's willing to buy it for me."
>
> the indirect question:
>
> Can a better Python IDE increase programmers productivity?
>
> From my experience as (part-time) programmer I would tell, that the
> actual productivity depends heavily on so many other things, that it
> makes the IDE the last one in the chain of factors behind productivity.
>
> What is your opinion?
>
> Does the answer differ when coming from a programming team manager or
> from a programmer himself?
>
> If you are a Python software house manager, would you buy me the WingIDE
> (a single OS license for Wing IDE Pro is $179 and a dual OS license is
> $295) if I were working for you as a Python programmer or would you
> point me to freeware solutions instead? Or would you expect me to buy it
> myself as I should be interested to increase my productivity myself?
>
> What IDE do the professional Python programmer teams behind Python
> Software Foundation use?
>
> And the most interesting question:
>
> Which Python programming environment uses Guido van Rossum ???
>
>
> Claudio

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Daniel J. Rubin wrote:
> I say it entirely depends on what your programming. For instance, if
> creating a GUI, there is no question that a well developed high quality
> IDE is a huge help -- from the point of view of stub generation and code
> completion, as well as the GUI designer.

Most non-IDE users still use GUI designers and other tools (and many
standalone programmer's editors had code completion long before Eclipse
existed). I've had no problem using unintegraded gui designers to
build large GUIs. I fail to see how bundling it in a package with my
editor and debugger would make it more productive.

"Daniel J. Rubin" <> writes:
> I say it entirely depends on what your programming. For instance, if
> creating a GUI, there is no question that a well developed high quality
> IDE is a huge help -- from the point of view of stub generation and code
> completion, as well as the GUI designer.

I disagree. I find GUI designers a waste of time.

<mike
--
Mike Meyer <> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information.

It depends on a number of factors including yourself. I am a very
visual person. I consider visual design as the native language of
expression and representation (at least from a human stand point) for
objects that have visual end presentation. I know I am productive this
way. Your mileage may wary on how you prefer to think.

It also depends on how good the tool chain is designed. Delphi, Visual
Studio.NET, Dreamweaver for example are a sheer pleasure for me to
design interfaces with. In my Delphi days, I used to feel that thhe IDE
was critical to my productivity. But the old VB6 and FrontPage and even
recent Java IDEs get in my way often. I tend to think most people find
seamless integration more productive. If you are an outlier, good for
you.

As for simple language IDEs, some languages benefit more than others.
Even though I like more integrated solutions like PyDev, SPE etc and
have a long history of IDE usage, I keep coming back to SciTE when it
comes to Python. But I would not dream using Java/C# without an IDE.