Microsoft schooling question

I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP MCSA
and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't know
if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week and
would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am on
call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things but
its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like to
know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they had
a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn more.
How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working hours
of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to work
up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up. right?
Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT world?
Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do my
regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
overwelming.
Thanks.

Nikitas

hi nikita

i m hardik

i m also planning to give mcsa and mcse...



"Nikitas" wrote:

> I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP MCSA
> and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't know
> if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week and
> would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
> meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am on
> call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
> Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things but
> its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like to
> know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they had
> a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn more.
> How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working hours
> of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to work
> up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up. right?
> Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
> vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT world?
> Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
> week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do my
> regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
> overwelming.
> Thanks.
>
>
>

=?Utf-8?B?SGFyZGlr?=

Hello

Well, I haven't heard about Microsoft Schools, but what I know is that there
are several Authorized tech centers that offer specific and official MS
courses.

I took clases at New Horizons in Culver City, CA and to tell the truth,
these classes helped me a lot to get a better understanding of some topics.
Also, in some ocassions, I have just grabbed self paced training kits
(books) and studied by myself.

Talking about the classes, at least at New Horizons, they were really good
for me, specially for the 70-216 exam... that's the windows version of Hell,
jeje, I mean, it was a very difficult exam, but understanding and hearing
about subnetting from a teacher helped me more than reading it by myself, i
hope you get the point.

If you have the money, go ahead and do it, otherwise, get books and do the
study at home

cheers

"Nikitas" <> wrote in message
news:OpBCJ$...
> I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP MCSA
> and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't know
> if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week and
> would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
> meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am
> on
> call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
> Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things but
> its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like
> to
> know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they
> had
> a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn more.
> How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working hours
> of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to
> work
> up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up. right?
> Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
> vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT
> world?
> Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
> week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do my
> regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
> overwelming.
> Thanks.
>
>

Blackmetal

Good question as I had looked at one of these certified schools. The one
I asked about promised, I believe three certs for 24k,,,wow. I could be
wrong
about that, but that's the way it seemed presented.

I was hoping, like yourself, someone who has had involvement with one of
these
schools would have responded.

http://www.microsoft.com/education/m...y/default.mspx

Richard


"Nikitas" <> wrote in message
news:OpBCJ$...
> I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP MCSA
> and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't know
> if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week and
> would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
> meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am
> on
> call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
> Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things but
> its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like
> to
> know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they
> had
> a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn more.
> How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working hours
> of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to
> work
> up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up. right?
> Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
> vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT
> world?
> Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
> week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do my
> regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
> overwelming.
> Thanks.
>
>

Richard

I guess I posted this in the wrong group or the questioning is to
complicated for the people here.


"Richard" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Good question as I had looked at one of these certified schools. The one
> I asked about promised, I believe three certs for 24k,,,wow. I could be
> wrong
> about that, but that's the way it seemed presented.
>
> I was hoping, like yourself, someone who has had involvement with one of
> these
> schools would have responded.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/education/m...y/default.mspx
>
> Richard
>
>
> "Nikitas" <> wrote in message
> news:OpBCJ$...
> > I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP
MCSA
> > and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't
know
> > if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week
and
> > would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
> > meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am
> > on
> > call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
> > Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things
but
> > its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like
> > to
> > know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they
> > had
> > a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn
more.
> > How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working
hours
> > of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to
> > work
> > up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up.
right?
> > Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
> > vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT
> > world?
> > Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
> > week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do
my
> > regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
> > overwelming.
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>

Nikitas

Nikitas

I have been in the IT field for 32+ years and have worked my way "up the
ladder".

The "boot camp" type classes teach to the tests as do any other type of
classes. The question to ask yourself is "how practical in the real world is
the training". Microsoft certs used to be obtainable by reading the books
(self study), or attending the boot camp environment. Today, there is a real
world (practical experience level) that is being tested for. Nothing beats
experience.

As I say, I've been in the industry for a long time and always scoffed at
the MCSE's that had no pratical experience. During a Y2K remediation project,
a consulting firm sent 2 MCSE's to a site and they had NO IDEA what I
expected of them nor did they understand the instructions given. Just
something to consider.

Regarding the hours required for a job that will utilize these
certifications, well I can only say that it will depend on the employer, the
staff size, your actual duties, etc. I have held positions (most of them in
fact) where I am "on call" 24 hr/day, 7 days/wk. That isn't to say that I had
no down time. But in a support role (as we all are), when you're called upon,
you need to respond.

If the staff incudes a good team of like individuals, the load is shared,
but ther will be calls to share knowledge when another team member is stumped.

As far as work, school, personal time balancing, YOU need to decide how
important these certifications are to you. If you feel that they are, then
you need to make the committment and stick to it.
--
Peter A. Gordon
MCP


"Nikitas" wrote:

> I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP MCSA
> and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't know
> if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week and
> would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
> meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am on
> call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
> Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things but
> its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like to
> know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they had
> a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn more.
> How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working hours
> of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to work
> up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up. right?
> Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
> vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT world?
> Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
> week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do my
> regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
> overwelming.
> Thanks.
>
>
>

=?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXIgQS4gR29yZG9u?=

Nikitas wrote:

> I guess I posted this in the wrong group or the questioning is to
> complicated for the people here.

LMAO ! No, you posted in the right newsgroup, but... I mean, just look
at your post ! It's too long, too full of questions, there are no
paragraphs, it *hurts* the eyes.

Try to be concise... that may get you more of the kind of response you
want

Lastly, try not to be so rude to the people who spent some time writing
a response to your post, as to question their intelligence. (Whether it
proved helpful or not) Any response is better than to get ignored,
remember.

Cerebrus

I agree

>>The question to ask yourself is "how practical in the real world is
the training".

Not having been in the real world (of computer IT), I am not qualified to
answer this.
That's why I look forward to individuals such as yourself to respond,
thanks.

I presume the cert is two things, an education to get my foot in the door.

And the beginning of "working my way up the ladder"

Richard




"Peter A. Gordon" <> wrote in message
news:24335D90-3B6D-4261-AD02-...
> Nikitas
>
> I have been in the IT field for 32+ years and have worked my way "up the
> ladder".
>
> The "boot camp" type classes teach to the tests as do any other type of
> classes. The question to ask yourself is "how practical in the real world
> is
> the training". Microsoft certs used to be obtainable by reading the books
> (self study), or attending the boot camp environment. Today, there is a
> real
> world (practical experience level) that is being tested for. Nothing beats
> experience.
>
> As I say, I've been in the industry for a long time and always scoffed at
> the MCSE's that had no pratical experience. During a Y2K remediation
> project,
> a consulting firm sent 2 MCSE's to a site and they had NO IDEA what I
> expected of them nor did they understand the instructions given. Just
> something to consider.
>
> Regarding the hours required for a job that will utilize these
> certifications, well I can only say that it will depend on the employer,
> the
> staff size, your actual duties, etc. I have held positions (most of them
> in
> fact) where I am "on call" 24 hr/day, 7 days/wk. That isn't to say that I
> had
> no down time. But in a support role (as we all are), when you're called
> upon,
> you need to respond.
>
> If the staff incudes a good team of like individuals, the load is shared,
> but ther will be calls to share knowledge when another team member is
> stumped.
>
> As far as work, school, personal time balancing, YOU need to decide how
> important these certifications are to you. If you feel that they are, then
> you need to make the committment and stick to it.
> --
> Peter A. Gordon
> MCP
>
>
> "Nikitas" wrote:
>
>> I am thinking about taking a 24 week course that would get me the MCP
>> MCSA
>> and MCSE at a place that says they are a Microsoft IT Academy. (don't
>> know
>> if that's good or bad). The Classes would be 4 hours two nights a week
>> and
>> would require at least same about out of class to study and etc. In the
>> meantime I do have my present job which gets demanding at times and I am
>> on
>> call too. I always like the computer field and presently I am in the
>> Technical Broadcast field and heavily into the computer side of things
>> but
>> its like I know how to fly the plane but not land it or take off. I like
>> to
>> know more. I just looking for opinions on if anyone done this where they
>> had
>> a job that had some computer involvement but you wanted to go learn more.
>> How was it did you find a new job in the field? What are the working
>> hours
>> of a Job that would be as MCP/MCSA/MCSE? I would think that one has to
>> work
>> up the ladder in jobs starting at a MCP level and work your way up.
>> right?
>> Right now I am looking for the sort of job that would not interrupt my
>> vacation or weekends for that matter, is that possible in the true IT
>> world?
>> Any other comments or thought welcome on your experience. Also is the 24
>> week course realistic or to short? I'm sort of thinking that I cant do
>> my
>> regular job and school as I have tried to do that before and felt
>> overwelming.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>

Richard