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I just got an Ipod for Christmas.
Looks cool. It really does look cool.
Is far from cool in actual operation, or non-operation as the case goes. Is
actually kind of neanderthal in the way the user must conform to the device
rules of operation.
Doesn't work without agony of having to learn non-intuitive, idiosyncratic
programming rules: this is the MSDOS of portable music players. This
epmperor is buck nekkid.
Has the least intuitive software I have ever seen: there is no clear way to
simply load a single tune without having to watch hours of instructional
videos, wade through or create useless playlists that conform to what Apple
wants but not the end-user.
Most solid state MP3 players are much easier to use.
Ipod does not appear in Explorer as a drive: this is simple perversity on
the part of Apple programmers who cannot admit Microsoft has a better idea
called drag and drop. Diehard Appleholics will not admit this either but
simply dragging music files to where you want them to be is a lot easier
than the Apple playlist misconception.
Menu is rigid, non-heirarchical and inviolable.
Brain surgery is easy to do when you know the rules (I do!): learning to use
an Ipod should not be as time-consuming.
I think I will be giving this thing away: I do not want to devote hours to
learning how to use it. The device is supposed to entertain me, not force me
to spend hours learning to use it.

Does your iPod have a removeable memory card? If so, get a card reader for
the card, and load it with your music as if it was a hard disk. Then put it
back in to the iPod.

I never used one of these, so I cannot comment on anything about how to use
your iPod when it is connected to your machine. It does sound a bit or odd,
or strange that it should be so complicated to use. I would expect that with
such a device, it should be very easy to use. If not, then I would consider
to find a way to return it, and get something that is appealing and simple
to use.

I would first however, talk to the iPod support people to find out exactly
what is going on. There may be something very simple that has to be done to
make things simpler. Maybe it is in some type of default help mode, or
something like that.

If the iPod is really so complicated to use, which sounds strange to me,
then I would consider something else.

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Greetings,

Romeo E. Albert
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"bmoag" <> wrote in message
news:sJnzd.3176$ ...
> I just got an Ipod for Christmas.
> Looks cool. It really does look cool.
> Is far from cool in actual operation, or non-operation as the case goes.
Is
> actually kind of neanderthal in the way the user must conform to the
device
> rules of operation.
> Doesn't work without agony of having to learn non-intuitive, idiosyncratic
> programming rules: this is the MSDOS of portable music players. This
> epmperor is buck nekkid.
> Has the least intuitive software I have ever seen: there is no clear way
to
> simply load a single tune without having to watch hours of instructional
> videos, wade through or create useless playlists that conform to what
Apple
> wants but not the end-user.
> Most solid state MP3 players are much easier to use.
> Ipod does not appear in Explorer as a drive: this is simple perversity on
> the part of Apple programmers who cannot admit Microsoft has a better idea
> called drag and drop. Diehard Appleholics will not admit this either but
> simply dragging music files to where you want them to be is a lot easier
> than the Apple playlist misconception.
> Menu is rigid, non-heirarchical and inviolable.
> Brain surgery is easy to do when you know the rules (I do!): learning to
use
> an Ipod should not be as time-consuming.
> I think I will be giving this thing away: I do not want to devote hours to
> learning how to use it. The device is supposed to entertain me, not force
me
> to spend hours learning to use it.
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Jerry G." <> wrote in
news::

> I never used one of these, so I cannot comment on anything about how
> to use your iPod when it is connected to your machine. It does sound a
> bit or odd, or strange that it should be so complicated to use. I
> would expect that with such a device, it should be very easy to use.
> If not, then I would consider to find a way to return it, and get
> something that is appealing and simple to use.
>

The iPod has the /worst/ interface. You are forced to use the crappy
iTunes software. You can't just drag and drop files to the iPod. Well,
you can, but the iPod won't play them.

"Jim Berwick" <> wrote in message
news:Xns95CB5CFF28A25jimbsnipnet@207.103.26.26...
> "Jerry G." <> wrote in
> news::
>
>> I never used one of these, so I cannot comment on anything about how
>> to use your iPod when it is connected to your machine. It does sound a
>> bit or odd, or strange that it should be so complicated to use. I
>> would expect that with such a device, it should be very easy to use.
>> If not, then I would consider to find a way to return it, and get
>> something that is appealing and simple to use.
>>
>
> The iPod has the /worst/ interface. You are forced to use the crappy
> iTunes software. You can't just drag and drop files to the iPod. Well,
> you can, but the iPod won't play them.

I assume this is their way of enforcing DRM on the iPod? Never having used
one, I wouldn't know, but it would seem to be logical.

I suspected as much. You also have to deal with Itunes and can't play the
music anywhere you want it. You're allowed 5 "authorized computers" on which
to play your purchased music. Funny, I don't have any such restriction with
CD's I purchase.

"bmoag" <> wrote in message
news:sJnzd.3176$ ...
>I just got an Ipod for Christmas.
> Looks cool. It really does look cool.
> Is far from cool in actual operation, or non-operation as the case goes.
> Is actually kind of neanderthal in the way the user must conform to the
> device rules of operation.
> Doesn't work without agony of having to learn non-intuitive, idiosyncratic
> programming rules: this is the MSDOS of portable music players. This
> epmperor is buck nekkid.
> Has the least intuitive software I have ever seen: there is no clear way
> to simply load a single tune without having to watch hours of
> instructional videos, wade through or create useless playlists that
> conform to what Apple wants but not the end-user.
> Most solid state MP3 players are much easier to use.
> Ipod does not appear in Explorer as a drive: this is simple perversity on
> the part of Apple programmers who cannot admit Microsoft has a better idea
> called drag and drop. Diehard Appleholics will not admit this either but
> simply dragging music files to where you want them to be is a lot easier
> than the Apple playlist misconception.
> Menu is rigid, non-heirarchical and inviolable.
> Brain surgery is easy to do when you know the rules (I do!): learning to
> use an Ipod should not be as time-consuming.
> I think I will be giving this thing away: I do not want to devote hours to
> learning how to use it. The device is supposed to entertain me, not force
> me to spend hours learning to use it.
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Thor" <> wrote in news::

> I assume this is their way of enforcing DRM on the iPod? Never having
> used one, I wouldn't know, but it would seem to be logical.

I don't think so, as it let's me put ripped, non DRM protected MP3s and
files on it. I would highly consider buying an iPod if I could just drag
and drop my music too it, I found iTunes to be aggravating to use. I
applaud apple for letting their janatorial staff design the interface, but
seriously, for $250+ for a brand new iPod, I want something that works and
works easily.

"bmoag" <> wrote in
news:sJnzd.3176$ :

> Ipod does not appear in Explorer as a drive: this is simple perversity
> on the part of Apple programmers who cannot admit Microsoft has a
> better idea called drag and drop. Diehard Appleholics will not admit
> this either but simply dragging music files to where you want them to
> be is a lot easier than the Apple playlist misconception.
>

If you disable all the Apple software and let Windows search for devices,
it will find the iPod as a firewire hard drive. Unfortunately, you still
can't drag and drop as the folder structure on it is insane, and simply
dropping an MP3 into a folder will not let the iPod play it. You are
basically /forced/ into using iTunes.

I myself, am considering an MP3 player. The cost is not a concern. It is the
quality of its operation and construction, and the user friendliness that I
want to have.

From what you are telling me, the iPod sounds like a model that I would not
want to have! And, yet there is such a big rave about it. It is also a very
expensive one.

From what you are saying, the user has to go through some complications, and
also use a proprietary software in order to use the iPod?

If I was to get a generic type MP3 player, which ones do you think would be
the best to consider?

Are they generic in the way that I can simply load them up by just copying
across to them?

--

Jerry G.
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"Jim Berwick" <> wrote in message
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"Jerry G." <> wrote in
news::

> I never used one of these, so I cannot comment on anything about how
> to use your iPod when it is connected to your machine. It does sound a
> bit or odd, or strange that it should be so complicated to use. I
> would expect that with such a device, it should be very easy to use.
> If not, then I would consider to find a way to return it, and get
> something that is appealing and simple to use.
>

The iPod has the /worst/ interface. You are forced to use the crappy
iTunes software. You can't just drag and drop files to the iPod. Well,
you can, but the iPod won't play them.

"Jerry G." <> wrote in message
news:...
> I myself, am considering an MP3 player. The cost is not a concern. It is
the
> quality of its operation and construction, and the user friendliness that
I
> want to have.

Then you definetly want to look at a Dell Digital Jukebox.
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/prod...&cs=19&l=en&s=
dhs&~ck=mn

> From what you are telling me, the iPod sounds like a model that I would
not
> want to have! And, yet there is such a big rave about it.

My nephew bought an iPod...I wasn't impressed.

>It is also a very expensive one.

The DDJ can be had for as little as $149 for the 5GB model and $199 for the
20 GB model.
Although they are listed at regular price right now,keep an eye on
Dell.com,they will go on sale again.
I bought my 20GB model back in August for $199.
It's about the size of a deck of cards,has a brightly lit LCD display and
it's very user friendly.

> From what you are saying, the user has to go through some complications,
and
> also use a proprietary software in order to use the iPod?

Not with DDJ,although YMMV.
I had mine fully operational within 10 minutes of connecting it to my
'puter.
To date I have 2200 songs on the HD (about half capacity) and have yet to
encounter any problems as far as s/w,file transfer or functionality are
concerned.

> If I was to get a generic type MP3 player, which ones do you think would
be
> the best to consider?

I have no idea...maybe go to http://www.epinions.com and do some research.

> Are they generic in the way that I can simply load them up by just copying
> across to them?

I think the DRMA prohibits the user to sync a cd directly to an mp3 player.
With the DDJ you have to first record a cd to your computer HD & then
transfer the file to the DDJ HD via USB cable.
Once you have transfered the files to your player just delete them from you
HD if you wish.
I found out they hard way that if you delete songs from your computer HD
while the mp3 player is connected to your computer the songs will be deleted
from your mp3 player too.

One other thing...if and when you do decide to purchase an mp3 player do
yourself a favor and invest in a good set of headphones.The ear buds that
are included with most mp3 players are crap at best.The same goes for the
open-air headphones that come with most "walkman" type players.
I would recommend these headphones:
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite...transid=005180
Don't buy them from Sennheiser.com though.
Do a Google search and I gaurentee you that you will find this same model
much cheaper somewhere else.
I paid $39.00 for mine.

Whatever mp3 player you choose,enjoy it.

HTH
-Dan
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> Jerry G.
> ======
>
>
> "Jim Berwick" <> wrote in message
> news:Xns95CB5CFF28A25jimbsnipnet@207.103.26.26...
> "Jerry G." <> wrote in
> news::
>
> > I never used one of these, so I cannot comment on anything about how
> > to use your iPod when it is connected to your machine. It does sound a
> > bit or odd, or strange that it should be so complicated to use. I
> > would expect that with such a device, it should be very easy to use.
> > If not, then I would consider to find a way to return it, and get
> > something that is appealing and simple to use.
> >
>
> The iPod has the /worst/ interface. You are forced to use the crappy
> iTunes software. You can't just drag and drop files to the iPod. Well,
> you can, but the iPod won't play them.
>
>

"Jerry G." <> wrote in message
news:...
> Does your iPod have a removeable memory card? If so, get a card reader
> for
> the card, and load it with your music as if it was a hard disk. Then put
> it
> back in to the iPod.
>
Lot of ****ing about just to listen to music. I've heard the Ipod is ****
too.