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BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 00:27:55 GMT, VWWall <> wrote:
>
>
>>BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:44:31 GMT, "Michael-NC" <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I find your style of argument extremely immature and utterly without merit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Took you long enough to figure that out!!! LOL!
>>>
>>>BB
>>
>>What does Ekal Bnek think about this?
>>
>
>
> Sorry, I think you are already overwhelmed.
>
> BB
Try this for size:

> http://tinyurl.com/2nnp4

VW
-
A foolish consistency is the
hobgoblin of little minds,........
Ralph Waldo Emerson
(Microsoft programmer's manual.)

On Mon, 10 May 2004 03:14:11 GMT, VWWall <> wrote:

>BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 May 2004 00:27:55 GMT, VWWall <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:44:31 GMT, "Michael-NC" <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I find your style of argument extremely immature and utterly without merit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Took you long enough to figure that out!!! LOL!
>>>>
>>>>BB
>>>
>>>What does Ekal Bnek think about this?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I think you are already overwhelmed.
>>
>> BB
>Try this for size:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2nnp4
>
>VW
>-

WARNING TO NEWSGROUP: Virg Wall *occasionally* posts good advice and correct
information. The problem is that he also has posted VERY BAD advice and TOTALLY
INCORRECT information and will never admit when he is wrong. Therefore, you
would be wise to get your advise from somebody else. You never know which post
of his will be wrong and might cause you to lose data, damage your computer,
injure yourself, or burn your house down. He'll never confess to his sins.
That's a sin in itself.

BB

BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 03:14:11 GMT, VWWall <> wrote:
>
>
>>BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 May 2004 00:27:55 GMT, VWWall <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:44:31 GMT, "Michael-NC" <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I find your style of argument extremely immature and utterly without merit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Took you long enough to figure that out!!! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>BB
>>>>
>>>>What does Ekal Bnek think about this?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry, I think you are already overwhelmed.
>>>
>>>BB
>>
>>Try this for size:
>>
>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/2nnp4
>>
>>VW
>>-
>
>
> WARNING TO NEWSGROUP: Virg Wall *occasionally* posts good advice and correct
> information. The problem is that he also has posted VERY BAD advice and TOTALLY
> INCORRECT information and will never admit when he is wrong. Therefore, you
> would be wise to get your advise from somebody else. You never know which post
> of his will be wrong and might cause you to lose data, damage your computer,
> injure yourself, or burn your house down. He'll never confess to his sins.
> That's a sin in itself.
>
> BB
Doesn't take much to pull your chain! Whatever happened to
MaximumSmoke?

> http://tinyurl.com/2sgxv

Virg Wall
--
A foolish consistency is the
hobgoblin of little minds,........
Ralph Waldo Emerson
(Microsoft programmer's manual.)

On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:55:54 GMT, VWWall <>
wrote:


>>
>>
>> WARNING TO NEWSGROUP: Virg Wall *occasionally* posts good advice and correct
>> information. The problem is that he also has posted VERY BAD advice and TOTALLY
>> INCORRECT information and will never admit when he is wrong. Therefore, you
>> would be wise to get your advise from somebody else. You never know which post
>> of his will be wrong and might cause you to lose data, damage your computer,
>> injure yourself, or burn your house down. He'll never confess to his sins.
>> That's a sin in itself.
>>
>> BB
>Doesn't take much to pull your chain! Whatever happened to
>MaximumSmoke?
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2sgxv
>
>Virg Wall

You seem to be on the verge, Virg. Must be the Alzhemiers taking over.

BB

BinaryBill is same who claimed that DC spikes exist in
alt.computer. Starting with a Sirius response on 13 Jul 2001:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q18F21348
> I don't think you quite understand the concept of AC and DC.
> You imply that thre is such a thing as a DC spike in a car
> eletrical circuit.

Additional insults were posted as
and . Add these
names to to his previous postings as:
Ekal Bnek MaximumSmoke D O G S T A R and UOXLOVKUO .

He claimed to have worked with Grace Hopper on the Eniac,
claims to be 89, has an MSEE and MSME ... but cannot even
remember which town he was in when working with Grace:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X5EC657A7

More examples of BinaryBill posts are:
http://tinyurl.com/3fm32

In a typical response to VWWall, he insults the poster when
he cannot dispute the facts:
> You seem to be on the verge, Virg. Must be the Alzhemiers
> taking over.
>
> BB


VWWall wrote:
> BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 May 2004 03:14:11 GMT, VWWall <>
>> wrote:
>>>BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 10 May 2004 00:27:55 GMT, VWWall <>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> What does Ekal Bnek think about this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, I think you are already overwhelmed.
>>>>BB
>>>
>>>Try this for size:
>>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/2nnp4
>>>
>>>VW
>>>-
>>
>>
>> WARNING TO NEWSGROUP: Virg Wall *occasionally* posts good advice
>> and correct information. The problem is that he also has posted
>> VERY BAD advice and TOTALLY INCORRECT information and will never
>> admit when he is wrong. Therefore, you would be wise to get your
>> advise from somebody else. You never know which post of his will
>> be wrong and might cause you to lose data, damage your
>> computer, injure yourself, or burn your house down. He'll never
>> confess to his sins. That's a sin in itself.
>> BB
>
> Doesn't take much to pull your chain! Whatever happened to
> MaximumSmoke?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2sgxv
>
> Virg Wall

W_Tom is a well known usenet kook who is also extremely dangerous. He
frequently posts lengthy diatribes on electrical subjects that have a
few grains of fact, mixed with lots of fantasy. It's easy for someone
not familiar with technical details to be fooled into thinking he
knows what he is talking about. In truth, W_tom is on a mission to
cause people to do dangerous things, such as create dangerous ground
loops in their home wiring. They may possibly be hurt or killed by
following his delibertately wrong advice. That's how he gets his
jollies. He doesn't like it at all when anyone points out the errors
or the dangers in his posts. He gets quite hysterical and nasty.
You've been warned...

BB

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:35:06 -0400, w_tom <> wrote:

From Tue Jan 29 10:24:51 2002
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From: Thomas D Horne <>
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
Subject: Re: Help with grounded wiring in old house...
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w_tom <> Wrote:

> Battery backup: many feel that plug-in UPSes always power directly
> from the battery. False. Most UPSes connect the appliance
> directly to AC mains when not in battery backup mode. It is why
> plug-in UPSes are so inexpensive. Furthermore, those $500+ UPSes
> that do power from the battery do not provide effective surge
> protection. Destructive surges are common mode (which is why earth
> ground is so critical). A common mode surge voltage appears
> equally across the battery terminals. IOW the surge not even seen
> by the battery continues down all wires, into the computer, and
> destructively onto earth ground. What kind of protection is that?
> Protection that is not even in the specs for that UPS.
>
> Where is that battery protection? It exists only in urban myths.
> Protection by the battery is promoted when the human does not
> understand the difference between common and differential mode
> transients. Surge protection adjacent to an appliance is for
> differential mode transients which typically don't exist.
Destructive
> transients are common mode which is why earth ground is so
> critical.
>

We did extensive testing of battery powered equipment at integrated
power corporation a decade ago. The common mode surges you speak of
never got past the rather massive capacitive effect of the wet cell
lead
acid batteries used in continuous duty UPS assemblies. These were
large
units that were capable of carrying the entire connected load for
several hours after supply power was lost. They did provide very
effective common mode surge attenuation and because they were always
connected via the battery the time to break over was zero. The
equipment used was high quality commercial stuff (trace et al) and the
test were done to validate radio relay sight power design. Test using
only one of the large twelve volt lead acid batteries showed very
favorable results. Since these power supply systems were built in the
early nineties they have suffered no surge or spike induced connected
equipment failures. These systems were installed on ridge lines and
mountaintops from Alaska to Argentina. The actual data is no longer
available because westinghouse closed that subsidiary when the tax
benefits of solar and wind energy died.


> A separate earth ground to the outlet safety ground is a code
violation.
>

This is not true. If the equipment grounding conductor to the
equipment
grounding terminal of the receptacle is installed in compliance with
the NEC(c) the installation and connection of a supplementary
grounding
electrode is not a NEC violation. It is only an NEC violation to use
the separate grounding electrode as the only equipment grounding
means.
The applicable portion of the NEC is;

["250.54 Supplementary Grounding Electrodes.
Supplementary grounding electrodes shall be permitted to be connected
to
the equipment grounding conductors specified in 250.118 and shall not
be
required to comply with the electrode bonding requirements of 250.50
or
250.53(C) or the resistance requirements of 250.56, but the earth
shall
not be used as the sole equipment grounding conductor.
Grounding electrodes, such as ground rods, that are connected to
equipment are not permitted to be used in lieu of the equipment
grounding conductor, but they may be used for supplementary
protection.
For example, grounding electrodes may be used for lightning protection
or to equalize potentials in the area of the equipment. Sections
250.4(A)(5) and 250.4(B)(4) also specify that the earth not be used as
the sole equipment grounding conductor or effective (ground) fault
current path."]

--
Tom

w_tom <> wrote in news::

> Additional insults were posted as
> and . Add these
> names to to his previous postings as:
> Ekal Bnek MaximumSmoke D O G S T A R and UOXLOVKUO .

Also-

Xra Oynxr
BamBam
Ken Blake (I think)


--
Save the whales. Collect the whole set.

w_tom wrote:
> BinaryBill is same who claimed that DC spikes exist in
> alt.computer. Starting with a Sirius response on 13 Jul 2001:


Yes he really was an ignorant knave then but isn't he posting from the
other side now?? Guess he has a bad reaction to any mention of flames.

http://tinyurl.com/2hku8

On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:09:40 +0100, Sirius <>
wrote:

>w_tom wrote:
>> BinaryBill is same who claimed that DC spikes exist in
>> alt.computer. Starting with a Sirius response on 13 Jul 2001:
>
>
>Yes he really was an ignorant knave then but isn't he posting from the
>other side now?? Guess he has a bad reaction to any mention of flames.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2hku8

What DC waveform would you observe when striking an arc while arc
welding?

Is Lightning AC or DC? Would you consider a lightning strike to
produce a voltage spike on objects it strikes?

Is the output of your car's ignition coil ac or DC. How would you
describe it's output?


BB

On Wed, 12 May 2004 01:05:50 GMT, bambam <>
wrote:

>w_tom <> wrote in news::
>
>> Additional insults were posted as
>> and . Add these
>> names to to his previous postings as:
>> Ekal Bnek MaximumSmoke D O G S T A R and UOXLOVKUO .
>
>Also-
>
>Xra Oynxr
>BamBam
>Ken Blake (I think)

Oh yes, "BamBam", (who plagiarized the name of a cartoon character).
The nitwit who tried to wage a flame war claiming that BinaryBill was
somehow a copyright infringement on the song (in the public domain)
"Barnacle Bill", despite the fact that there are literally thousands
of restaurants named "Barnacle Bill's". (Not even substituting Binary
or any other word for Barnacle) Yes, BamBam is a real genius, folks!
Make sure you do everything he tells you.

BB