«

Kamil wrote:

> "Thor" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>>"Oldus Fartus" <> wrote in message
>>news:bqek3b$9rc$...
>>
>>>
>>>No. The actual clock speed is 2.16 AMD use a performance rating of
>>>2700 but that does not reflect the actual speed.
>>>
>>>If the *actual speed* your processor is running is 2400, then you have
>>>it overclocked, which would explain the instability.
>>
>>Well, if the Athlon XP2700+ runs on a 166Mhz clock speed, which is
>>double-pumped to 333Mhz, he should be using 333Mhz memory (PC-2700)
>
> anyway.
>
>>But I also agree that he should make sure he isn't overclocking the CPU as
>>well.
>>
>>
>>
>>>--
>>>Cheers
>>>Oldus Fartus
>>>
>
> the bios reports the CPU as 2400 on POST I know its a 2700. In the bios the
> FSB of the CPU is set to 100Mhz. There i can change the FSB and CPU ratio,
> if I set FSB to anything past 106 it wont start.. I tried it many times
> having to remove the battery to clear the BIOS. I'm not talking about actual
> speeds here I don't even know what they are but I would like to, just don't
> know how. uhm... ok I know this CPU is supposed to run at 333Mhz given of
> course I had the right ram, but my ram is slower than that and I don't know
> what its speed is exactly I'm guessing its 100Mhz since the CPU wont go any
> faster than that.. but that makes no sense 'cause PC100 are almost obsolete
> and i'm just lost at this point so someone save me please
>
>

Can you set the FSB & CPU speeds separately? (Maybe via that ratio
setting?) If so then the fact that the RAM is slower than optimum
shouldn't cause the CPU to run more slowly-or vice versa. Depending, of
course, on how you have that ratio set.

I don't have my 'cheat sheet' handy but I'll guess that the FSB should
be set at 100 & the CPU at 166 for a ratio of 1.6:1 (CPU:FSB). Changing
to PC2700 RAM would let you set the FSB to 166 & the ratio to 1:1.

"Calvin Crumrine" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>
> Kamil wrote:
>
> > "Thor" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> >
> >>"Oldus Fartus" <> wrote in message
> >>news:bqek3b$9rc$...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>No. The actual clock speed is 2.16 AMD use a performance rating of
> >>>2700 but that does not reflect the actual speed.
> >>>
> >>>If the *actual speed* your processor is running is 2400, then you have
> >>>it overclocked, which would explain the instability.
> >>
> >>Well, if the Athlon XP2700+ runs on a 166Mhz clock speed, which is
> >>double-pumped to 333Mhz, he should be using 333Mhz memory (PC-2700)
> >
> > anyway.
> >
> >>But I also agree that he should make sure he isn't overclocking the CPU
as
> >>well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--
> >>>Cheers
> >>>Oldus Fartus
> >>>
> >
> > the bios reports the CPU as 2400 on POST I know its a 2700. In the bios
the
> > FSB of the CPU is set to 100Mhz. There i can change the FSB and CPU
ratio,
> > if I set FSB to anything past 106 it wont start.. I tried it many times
> > having to remove the battery to clear the BIOS. I'm not talking about
actual
> > speeds here I don't even know what they are but I would like to, just
don't
> > know how. uhm... ok I know this CPU is supposed to run at 333Mhz given
of
> > course I had the right ram, but my ram is slower than that and I don't
know
> > what its speed is exactly I'm guessing its 100Mhz since the CPU wont go
any
> > faster than that.. but that makes no sense 'cause PC100 are almost
obsolete
> > and i'm just lost at this point so someone save me please
> >
> >
>
> Can you set the FSB & CPU speeds separately? (Maybe via that ratio
> setting?) If so then the fact that the RAM is slower than optimum
> shouldn't cause the CPU to run more slowly-or vice versa. Depending, of
> course, on how you have that ratio set.
>
> I don't have my 'cheat sheet' handy but I'll guess that the FSB should
> be set at 100 & the CPU at 166 for a ratio of 1.6:1 (CPU:FSB). Changing
> to PC2700 RAM would let you set the FSB to 166 & the ratio to 1:1.
>
i'm not getting anywhere with this... maybe i should explain...

In my bios under frequencty/Voltage Control are these settings:

* Spread Spectrum ( uses a value of disabled through +- .75% incremented by
..25%) its at +- .75%

* CPU FB Clock (range from 100 to 280Mhz) NOW set at 100

* CPU Ratio range from 6.0 to 12.0 increments by .5 then i have a
"12.5/13.0" setting which is what i am using now and then theres 14.0 and
15.0 whick wont work if i set it to that

the other settings are CPU Vcore (voltage) DDR voltage and its termination
voltage and AGP voltage all set to AUTO

then under advanced chipset features theres DRAM Timing Control inside that
i have this :

* Configure SDRAM Timing control by: "SPD" (options are SPD or USER)
* SDRAM frequency : "AUTO" (can be set to 200, 266, 333, 400 or AUTO)

the following are auto IF SPD is chosen :

* SDRAM CAS# Latency, Row Precharge Time, RAS Pulse width, RAS to CAS delay,
Bank Interleave

then theres

* SDRM burst length : "4 QW" (can be 4 or
* SDRAM 1T Command : "DISABLED" (toggles between disabled and enabled)
* Fast Command : "Normal" (Normal. Fast, Ultra)
* Fast R-2-R Turnaround : "Disabled" (toggles)


maybe some of this is set wrong

Kamil wrote:
> "Thor" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>>"Oldus Fartus" <> wrote in message
>>news:bqek3b$9rc$...
>>
>>>Kamil wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Oldus Fartus" <> wrote in message
>>>>news:bqejkt$9rc$...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Kamil wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just got this computer its brand new and it stinks!! it wont do
>>>>
>>>>anything,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>every little task it does it locks up or freezes.... i get blue
>
> screens
>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>death just as windows is about to load (win 98se) after leaving the
>>>>>>computer alone doing nothing it freezes... a lot of times just when i
>>
>>go
>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the task bar, before it even pops up or anything explorer crashes...
>
> it
>
>>>>wont
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>run many programs.. it crashes.. the only thing i think it may be is
>>>>
>>>>because
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the processor is an athlon XP 2700 and the memory is 2400, but the
>>>>
>>>>processor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>is slowed down to the 2400 speed.. so both run at 2400... would it
>
> help
>
>>>>if i
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>got a 2700 memory module and got the cpu to full speed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your CPU should actually be running at 2.16 GHz and running it at 2400
>>>>>would very likely cause the symptoms you are experiencing.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://geek.dealtime.com/xPF-AMD_Ath...Hz_AXDA2700BOX
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Oldus Fartus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>i thought it might... so i need faster memory then huh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>No. The actual clock speed is 2.16 AMD use a performance rating of
>>>2700 but that does not reflect the actual speed.
>>>
>>>If the *actual speed* your processor is running is 2400, then you have
>>>it overclocked, which would explain the instability.
>>
>>Well, if the Athlon XP2700+ runs on a 166Mhz clock speed, which is
>>double-pumped to 333Mhz, he should be using 333Mhz memory (PC-2700)
>
> anyway.
>
>>But I also agree that he should make sure he isn't overclocking the CPU as
>>well.
>>
>>
>>
>>>--
>>>Cheers
>>>Oldus Fartus
>>>
>
> the bios reports the CPU as 2400 on POST I know its a 2700. In the bios the
> FSB of the CPU is set to 100Mhz. There i can change the FSB and CPU ratio,
> if I set FSB to anything past 106 it wont start.. I tried it many times
> having to remove the battery to clear the BIOS. I'm not talking about actual
> speeds here I don't even know what they are but I would like to, just don't
> know how. uhm... ok I know this CPU is supposed to run at 333Mhz given of
> course I had the right ram, but my ram is slower than that and I don't know
> what its speed is exactly I'm guessing its 100Mhz since the CPU wont go any
> faster than that.. but that makes no sense 'cause PC100 are almost obsolete
> and i'm just lost at this point so someone save me please
>
>

OK, now we are getting somewhere. The frequency should be set to 166
and the multiplier to 13 (13 x 166 = 2.158 which is what the chip should
be running at.

You are confusing the model number with the actual speed the chip should
be running. The 2700 XP does NOT run at 2700, it runs at approx 2.16.

Reset the BIOS completely, then use the setup defaults, except for
changing the frequency and multiplier as above.

--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus

> OK, now we are getting somewhere. The frequency should be set to 166
> and the multiplier to 13 (13 x 166 = 2.158 which is what the chip should
> be running at.
>
> You are confusing the model number with the actual speed the chip should
> be running. The 2700 XP does NOT run at 2700, it runs at approx 2.16.
>
> Reset the BIOS completely, then use the setup defaults, except for
> changing the frequency and multiplier as above.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Oldus Fartus
>

as i explained before no matter what i do i cant get the frequency over 106.
and i'm not confusing the speed and model number the bios is reporting it
that way. I know that the model number is not the speed.

Kamil wrote:
> > OK, now we are getting somewhere. The frequency should be set to 166
>
>>and the multiplier to 13 (13 x 166 = 2.158 which is what the chip should
>>be running at.
>>
>>You are confusing the model number with the actual speed the chip should
>>be running. The 2700 XP does NOT run at 2700, it runs at approx 2.16.
>>
>>Reset the BIOS completely, then use the setup defaults, except for
>>changing the frequency and multiplier as above.
>>
>>--
>>Cheers
>>Oldus Fartus
>>
>
>
> as i explained before no matter what i do i cant get the frequency over 106.
> and i'm not confusing the speed and model number the bios is reporting it
> that way. I know that the model number is not the speed.
>
>
Missed that. Strange-you say that the CPU FB Clock has a range of 100 to
280 MHz, but you also say that you can't set it higher than 106. I'm not
sure what the problem is-this CPU should be set to 166 with the CPU
Ratio set to 12.5/13.0 (the ratio appears to be set correctly, your
problem is with the CPU Clock speed). With your current RAM the SDRAM
Frequency should be set to 200 (this appears to be reporting the DDR
frequency rather than the FSB frequency) but AUTO should work. Do you
know whether the RAM has SPD or not? Perhaps you should set the SDRAM
Timing Control to User & explicitly set the SDRAM Frequency. I don't see
how that would affect your ability to set the CPU Clock, but maybe it's
worth a try. If your problem is that the machine won't boot when the CPU
Clock is set above 106 vs. an inability to set it above that, then maybe
the SDRAM control is picking up the frequency from the CPU Clock
setting. If so then changing those controls to USER & 200 should correct
it-but this is just speculation on my part.

"Calvin Crumrine" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Kamil wrote:
> > > OK, now we are getting somewhere. The frequency should be set to
166
> >
> >>and the multiplier to 13 (13 x 166 = 2.158 which is what the chip should
> >>be running at.
> >>
> >>You are confusing the model number with the actual speed the chip should
> >>be running. The 2700 XP does NOT run at 2700, it runs at approx 2.16.
> >>
> >>Reset the BIOS completely, then use the setup defaults, except for
> >>changing the frequency and multiplier as above.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Cheers
> >>Oldus Fartus
> >>
> >
> >
> > as i explained before no matter what i do i cant get the frequency over
106.
> > and i'm not confusing the speed and model number the bios is reporting
it
> > that way. I know that the model number is not the speed.
> >
> >
> Missed that. Strange-you say that the CPU FB Clock has a range of 100 to
> 280 MHz, but you also say that you can't set it higher than 106. I'm not
> sure what the problem is-this CPU should be set to 166 with the CPU
> Ratio set to 12.5/13.0 (the ratio appears to be set correctly, your
> problem is with the CPU Clock speed). With your current RAM the SDRAM
> Frequency should be set to 200 (this appears to be reporting the DDR
> frequency rather than the FSB frequency) but AUTO should work. Do you
> know whether the RAM has SPD or not? Perhaps you should set the SDRAM
> Timing Control to User & explicitly set the SDRAM Frequency. I don't see
> how that would affect your ability to set the CPU Clock, but maybe it's
> worth a try. If your problem is that the machine won't boot when the CPU
> Clock is set above 106 vs. an inability to set it above that, then maybe
> the SDRAM control is picking up the frequency from the CPU Clock
> setting. If so then changing those controls to USER & 200 should correct
> it-but this is just speculation on my part.
>
thats the first useful advice i have heard on here in a while.. I'll try it
tomorrow and post the results.. I'm too tired to do it now plus i wanna play
with linux on one of my other machines

Kamil wrote:
> > OK, now we are getting somewhere. The frequency should be set to 166
>
>>and the multiplier to 13 (13 x 166 = 2.158 which is what the chip should
>>be running at.
>>
>>You are confusing the model number with the actual speed the chip should
>>be running. The 2700 XP does NOT run at 2700, it runs at approx 2.16.
>>
>>Reset the BIOS completely, then use the setup defaults, except for
>>changing the frequency and multiplier as above.
>>
>>--
>>Cheers
>>Oldus Fartus
>>
>
>
> as i explained before no matter what i do i cant get the frequency over 106.
> and i'm not confusing the speed and model number the bios is reporting it
> that way. I know that the model number is not the speed.
>
>

That's good - that was what I have been trying to find out as it wasn't
sure where you were getting that speed from.

Hopefully Calvin's suggestions will prove fruitful.

--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus

"Oldus Fartus" <> wrote in message
news:bqpf2r$2219$...
> Kamil wrote:
> > > OK, now we are getting somewhere. The frequency should be set to
166
> >
> >>and the multiplier to 13 (13 x 166 = 2.158 which is what the chip should
> >>be running at.
> >>
> >>You are confusing the model number with the actual speed the chip should
> >>be running. The 2700 XP does NOT run at 2700, it runs at approx 2.16.
> >>
> >>Reset the BIOS completely, then use the setup defaults, except for
> >>changing the frequency and multiplier as above.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Cheers
> >>Oldus Fartus
> >>
> >
> >
> > as i explained before no matter what i do i cant get the frequency over
106.
> > and i'm not confusing the speed and model number the bios is reporting
it
> > that way. I know that the model number is not the speed.
> >
> >
>
> That's good - that was what I have been trying to find out as it wasn't
> sure where you were getting that speed from.
>
> Hopefully Calvin's suggestions will prove fruitful.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Oldus Fartus

now i ran into another problem, if you read my other post here you will
see... i gotta stop messing with these things and just let them run.