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JC Allison wrote:
The following is the system to which I want to add the two IDE HDDs.

Panasonic AG-DVC10P Proline 3 CCD CamCorder w/IEEE1394
IW-Q500N-ATX FullTower
Tyan Trinity i845-S2090 ATX Mainboard w/Intel i845 Chipset
Single Pentium IV 1.8GHz Processor
1.5 Gb SDRAM (3 512 Mb DIMMs) Upgraded to 3 Gb - (3 1Gb DIMMs)
Matrox G450 Millennium Dual-Head Graphics Card
Matrox RT2500 Video Capture Card
Creative Technoloby Ltd., Audigy MP3+ Sound Card
36 Gb Seagate Cheetah SCSI 10K RPM Hard Drive (System Drive)
36 Gb Seagate Cheetah SCSI 10K RPM Hard Drive (A/V Editing)
120 Gb Western Digital IDE 7.2K RPM Hard Drive (Capture Storage)
120 Gb Western Digital IDE 7.2K RPM Hard Drive (Master Edit Storage)
Dual Adaptec 2940 SCSI Cards
Two 19" IDP Monitors
Sony CD-ROM
1.44 Mb Diskette Drive
Digital KB 5923REV-B01 106-key KeyBoard
Genius EasyMouse+ PS2
Supra Express 56K External Modem
JVC HR-DVS2 Mini-DV/S-VHS VCR
PK Electronics 500VA Blackout Buster UPS
Windows 2000 Professional w/ Service Pack 2
Adobe Premiere 6.0
Realtime Effects
Matrox Video for Windows AVI Files
Matrox Media Tools
Inscriber Title Express
Sonic Foundry ACID Music
Sonic Solutions DVDit! LE
Acronis Partition Expert 2003
Acronis True Image
Symantec's Norton A/V
Symantec's Norton Internet Security
All attendant cables, wires, and boxes.

Note, the two 120 Gb WD HDDs are Removable Media, and they are the ones that
present the problem.

As far as I know, they are hooked up, and are just not being seen because
they have not been partitioned, nor formatted.

So the question becomes, how do I get the computer to recognize the two IDE
HDDs in order to either FDISK them from DOS, or if possible from Win2K Pro
using Acronis Partition Expert.

Any step by step instructions would be greatly appreciated.

~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
> Note the change in the subject header. I hate it when that happens.

So they are not seen at the startup info? or just not in windows? If
its only in windows, go to start/administrative tools/computer managment or
disk management or some such thing and look for disk management, then you
have to initialize the drives and then partition and format (you can do this
within windows, don't need to use fdisk.)

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Night_Seer

Night_Seer wrote:
> So they are not seen at the startup info?

JC Allison:
I have watched this carefully, and as far as I can tell, they are not seen
at startup.

NS:
> or just not in windows?

JCA:
Nor in Win2K Pro.

NS:
> If its only in windows, go to start/administrative tools/computer
managment or
> disk management or some such thing and look for disk management, then you
> have to initialize the drives and then partition and format (you can do
this
> within windows, don't need to use fdisk.)

JCA:
I looked at Disk Management, but could find no initializing of the drives.

They may not be enabled at start-up, what ever THAT means... How would I
check to see?

~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
> Night_Seer wrote:
>> So they are not seen at the startup info?
>
> JC Allison:
> I have watched this carefully, and as far as I can tell, they are not
> seen at startup.
>
> NS:
>> or just not in windows?
>
> JCA:
> Nor in Win2K Pro.
>
> NS:
>> If its only in windows, go to start/administrative tools/computer
>> managment or disk management or some such thing and look for disk
>> management, then you have to initialize the drives and then
>> partition and format (you can do this within windows, don't need to
>> use fdisk.)
>
> JCA:
> I looked at Disk Management, but could find no initializing of the
> drives.
>
> They may not be enabled at start-up, what ever THAT means... How
> would I check to see?

Where are these two drives connected? To the onboard IDE, or to a seperate
PCI card? The only place I know to check is in bios.

--
Night_Seer

Night_Seer wrote:
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
>
>>Night_Seer wrote:
>>
>>>So they are not seen at the startup info?
>>
>>JC Allison:
>>I have watched this carefully, and as far as I can tell, they are not
>>seen at startup.
>>
>>NS:
>>
>>>or just not in windows?
>>
>>JCA:
>>Nor in Win2K Pro.
>>
>>NS:
>>
>>>If its only in windows, go to start/administrative tools/computer
>>>managment or disk management or some such thing and look for disk
>>>management, then you have to initialize the drives and then
>>>partition and format (you can do this within windows, don't need to
>>>use fdisk.)
>>
>>JCA:
>>I looked at Disk Management, but could find no initializing of the
>>drives.
>>
>>They may not be enabled at start-up, what ever THAT means... How
>>would I check to see?
>
>
> Where are these two drives connected? To the onboard IDE, or to a seperate
> PCI card? The only place I know to check is in bios.
>

I've seen a couple of BIOS's lately that have vacant HD slots set to
'None'. Presumably this is to speed bootup (if it's set to Auto then it
wastes time checking for an HD that isn't there-and one even reported an
error when it didn't find it). If it's set to None in BIOS then it
doesn't look for it & probably won't recognize it.

Check the BIOS settings. Until it's recognized by the BIOS (with a
caveat for systems that have 'add-in' BIOS's on 'intelligent' IDE
controller cards) you can't partitiion & format it in Windows. Any version.

first off, i think so many drives are overkill...are you raiding any of
these drives? or are they all chained m/s?
this can happen when u have alot of drives.....and when u go to admin
tools/disk manage.....if you don't see it, u can't format it.....once u see
the drives, it's diff....start unplugging the drives, and add one at a
time....if you can, raid the 2 120's for storage, remove one scsi...lower
the mem.....how much juice in ur ps?
"Calvin Crumrine" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Night_Seer wrote:
> > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
> >
> >>Night_Seer wrote:
> >>
> >>>So they are not seen at the startup info?
> >>
> >>JC Allison:
> >>I have watched this carefully, and as far as I can tell, they are not
> >>seen at startup.
> >>
> >>NS:
> >>
> >>>or just not in windows?
> >>
> >>JCA:
> >>Nor in Win2K Pro.
> >>
> >>NS:
> >>
> >>>If its only in windows, go to start/administrative tools/computer
> >>>managment or disk management or some such thing and look for disk
> >>>management, then you have to initialize the drives and then
> >>>partition and format (you can do this within windows, don't need to
> >>>use fdisk.)
> >>
> >>JCA:
> >>I looked at Disk Management, but could find no initializing of the
> >>drives.
> >>
> >>They may not be enabled at start-up, what ever THAT means... How
> >>would I check to see?
> >
> >
> > Where are these two drives connected? To the onboard IDE, or to a
seperate
> > PCI card? The only place I know to check is in bios.
> >
>
> I've seen a couple of BIOS's lately that have vacant HD slots set to
> 'None'. Presumably this is to speed bootup (if it's set to Auto then it
> wastes time checking for an HD that isn't there-and one even reported an
> error when it didn't find it). If it's set to None in BIOS then it
> doesn't look for it & probably won't recognize it.
>
> Check the BIOS settings. Until it's recognized by the BIOS (with a
> caveat for systems that have 'add-in' BIOS's on 'intelligent' IDE
> controller cards) you can't partitiion & format it in Windows. Any
version.
>

"~~~AllisonWonderland~~~" <> wrote in
news::

> Note, the two 120 Gb WD HDDs are Removable Media, and they are the
> ones that present the problem.
>
> As far as I know, they are hooked up, and are just not being seen
> because they have not been partitioned, nor formatted.

What do you mean by removable media? Are they in a drive bay? Or a
USB/firewire kind of removable media? If the latter, you may need drivers
for 2000 to recognize them (long shot). If the former, you need to check
all the connections and even try hooking the drives up without the
removable bays and see if they are detected or not.

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Night_Seer wrote:
> Where are these two drives connected?

JC Allison:
I don't know. They came installed with the removable trays which contained
the 120 gig IDE HDDs. And I was told that I would have to partition, and
format them.

NS:
> To the onboard IDE, or to a seperate PCI card?

JCA:
Again, I don't know...

NS:
> The only place I know to check is in bios.

JCA:
Alright. I did some research on how to access a look at the bios which was
by doing a <cntrl+alt+esc> and some other ways... I hesitate to do omuch of
that because I don't feel comfortable/confident without having a pretty good
idea about that with which I am messing, and what to expect in the way of
things that need to be done.

But I did do an F8 and got offered to start Win2K in SAFE mode...

And during boot, I did do a <DEL> and got to look at the CMOS lists... No
where did I see any reference to any HDD or IDE hardware that would lead me
to believe that the computer is aware of the presence of these two HDDs.

So my next step is to call the guy who built the computer and see what he
has to say about the situation. So far, all the instructions have been
predicated on the apriori assumption that the computer was aware of the two
IDE HDDs.

It's always something... (Rosanna Dannadanna)

~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
> Night_Seer wrote:
>> Where are these two drives connected?
>
> JC Allison:
> I don't know. They came installed with the removable trays which
> contained the 120 gig IDE HDDs. And I was told that I would have to
> partition, and format them.
>
> NS:
>> To the onboard IDE, or to a seperate PCI card?
>
> JCA:
> Again, I don't know...
>
> NS:
>> The only place I know to check is in bios.
>
> JCA:
> Alright. I did some research on how to access a look at the bios
> which was by doing a <cntrl+alt+esc> and some other ways... I
> hesitate to do omuch of that because I don't feel
> comfortable/confident without having a pretty good idea about that
> with which I am messing, and what to expect in the way of things that
> need to be done.
>
> But I did do an F8 and got offered to start Win2K in SAFE mode...
>
> And during boot, I did do a <DEL> and got to look at the CMOS
> lists... No where did I see any reference to any HDD or IDE hardware
> that would lead me to believe that the computer is aware of the
> presence of these two HDDs.
>
> So my next step is to call the guy who built the computer and see
> what he has to say about the situation. So far, all the instructions
> have been predicated on the apriori assumption that the computer was
> aware of the two IDE HDDs.
>
> It's always something... (Rosanna Dannadanna)

SO the two drives that you can't see are in removable trays...could be a
problem with tha connection. This is something your going to have to open
up the box for, so either take it to the guy who built it or start learning.

--
Night_Seer

desperado wrote:
> first off, i think so many drives are overkill...

JC Allison:
C: Drive is for the System. (SCSI)
D: Drive is for data, and in this case, this is a DTV system. (SCSI)
E: Drive is for raw Video in (IDE)
F: Drive is for finished Master edits. (IDE)

D:
> are you raiding any of these drives?

JCA:
No.

D:
> or are they all chained m/s?

JCA:
What is "all chained m/s"?

D:
> this can happen when u have alot of drives.....and when u go to admin
> tools/disk manage.....if you don't see it, u can't format it.....once u
see
> the drives, it's diff....start unplugging the drives, and add one at a
> time....

JCA:
I'll give this a try.

D:
> if you can, raid the 2 120's for storage, remove one scsi...lower
> the mem.....how much juice in ur ps?

JCA:
Actually, the system works great for DTV, it's just that I'd like to have
the storage that the IDE HDDs make available.

And I don't recall the PS, but it is ample and sufficient.

Anyway, thanks for the reply. I love this kind of education.


> "Calvin Crumrine" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Night_Seer wrote:
> > > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
> > >
> > >>Night_Seer wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>So they are not seen at the startup info?
> > >>
> > >>JC Allison:
> > >>I have watched this carefully, and as far as I can tell, they are not
> > >>seen at startup.
> > >>
> > >>NS:
> > >>
> > >>>or just not in windows?
> > >>
> > >>JCA:
> > >>Nor in Win2K Pro.
> > >>
> > >>NS:
> > >>
> > >>>If its only in windows, go to start/administrative tools/computer
> > >>>managment or disk management or some such thing and look for disk
> > >>>management, then you have to initialize the drives and then
> > >>>partition and format (you can do this within windows, don't need to
> > >>>use fdisk.)
> > >>
> > >>JCA:
> > >>I looked at Disk Management, but could find no initializing of the
> > >>drives.
> > >>
> > >>They may not be enabled at start-up, what ever THAT means... How
> > >>would I check to see?
> > >
> > >
> > > Where are these two drives connected? To the onboard IDE, or to a
> seperate
> > > PCI card? The only place I know to check is in bios.
> > >
> >
> > I've seen a couple of BIOS's lately that have vacant HD slots set to
> > 'None'. Presumably this is to speed bootup (if it's set to Auto then it
> > wastes time checking for an HD that isn't there-and one even reported an
> > error when it didn't find it). If it's set to None in BIOS then it
> > doesn't look for it & probably won't recognize it.
> >
> > Check the BIOS settings. Until it's recognized by the BIOS (with a
> > caveat for systems that have 'add-in' BIOS's on 'intelligent' IDE
> > controller cards) you can't partitiion & format it in Windows. Any
> version.
> >
>
>