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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:20:22 -0600,
(Moe Trin) wrote:

>Muriatic Acid

Heavens thats a very antique name for hydrochloric acid.
I assume the platters are aluminium alloy

At 30% if you put a platter in it, nothing will happen for a
while, but when it does ... it really goes. Do not try this
at home


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:49:15 -0700, "icono" <> wrote:

>
>"Jim Watt" <_way> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:11:45 +1000, Wayne <0m> wrote:
>>
>>>Tried a microwave oven? Set it only for 30 seconds, walk away or leave
>>>the room - there is a possibility that the microwave oven will be
>>>damaged. This should destroy the physical platter.
>>
>> Works well for optical media, ortherwise stupid.
>> --
>> Jim Watt
>> http://www.gibnet.com
>
>For optical media one grasps opposite edges with the thumb and middle
>finger. Press until you hear a "click".

No, its dangerous and makes a mess and its not nearly as good
as a few seconds in the microwave.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Jim Watt wrote:

>>For optical media one grasps opposite edges with the thumb and middle
>>finger. Press until you hear a "click".
>
> No, its dangerous and makes a mess and its not nearly as good as a few
> seconds in the microwave.

Not to mention the fact that breaking a CD into even "several" pieces
isn't much of a problem for someone who can pass a laser over the pieces
rather than the standard way of spinning the media.

"Moe Trin" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in
article
> <7mcrf.88480$WH.32644@dukeread01>, dnss wrote:
>
> >"Jim Watt" <_way> wrote
>
> >> If you are +that+ worried about the data, take out the
> >> platters and leave them in a bucket of salt water for a
> >> while,
>
> Gonna wash those bits right off, huh?
>
> >> perhaps add some hydrochloric acid. data recovery
> >> might then present some problems ...
>
> <Rummages around the garage looking for chemicals>
>
> Hmmm, all I can find is a couple of gallons of Muriatic Acid (29%) and
> Sulfuric Acid (25%) which I normally use for pH control in the swimming
> pool. There's also some Sodium Carbonate (98%) if you need an alkali.
>
> >After the platters are removed from the hdd how can the data be
recovered?
>
> By installing them in another drive.



I will remove 1 platter from a non defective hdd and mail it to you (please
provide a snail mail address).
Please respond with complete details of the data recovery.
IF you are successful in this process I can send you work on a steady basis!


>
> >Why bother with the acid and salt treatment?
>
> It makes them smell sweet.
>
> Old guy

"TwistyCreek" <> wrote in message
news:...
> dnss wrote:
>
> > After the platters are removed from the hdd how can the data be
recovered?
>
> Actually, that's the best/only way to recover *some* data. Slap the
> platers in specialized equipment that isn't hindered by the lack of
> sensitivity and timing problems of consumer grade hardware, and suck every
> nybble right off a drive that's been "DOD Wiped" or some such nonsense.
>
> Professional data recovery folk routinely use clean rooms to disassemble
> and recover drives this way.
>
>
>

The rumor mill lives on. (especially is newsgroups!)

Please provide complete FACTUAL details of the process and equipment used to
recover data from a hdd platter via an external method.

Your statement re DR companies working in clean rooms is factual as well as
disassembly of hdd's.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:30:24 -0500, "dnss" <>
wrote:

<snip>

>> >After the platters are removed from the hdd how can the data be
>recovered?
>>
>> By installing them in another drive.
>
>
>
>I will remove 1 platter from a non defective hdd and mail it to you (please
>provide a snail mail address).
>Please respond with complete details of the data recovery.
>IF you are successful in this process I can send you work on a steady basis!

There are plenty of data recovery firms that do that, but they are
rather expensive.


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

dnss wrote:

>> Actually, that's the best/only way to recover *some* data. Slap the
>> platers in specialized equipment that isn't hindered by the lack of
>> sensitivity and timing problems of consumer grade hardware, and suck
>> every nybble right off a drive that's been "DOD Wiped" or some such
>> nonsense.
>>
>> Professional data recovery folk routinely use clean rooms to disassemble
>> and recover drives this way.
>>
> The rumor mill lives on. (especially is newsgroups!)
>
> Please provide complete FACTUAL details of the process and equipment used
> to recover data from a hdd platter via an external method.

What an idiot. A quick Google could have spared you a great deal of
embarrassment, but here you are in a flaming rush to leave the bathroom
with toilet paper hanging off the back of your shoe.

You're spot on about one thing though. The level of incompetence and
idiocy on Usenet is positively astounding. Every time I think I've seen
the dumbest post imaginable, someone like you comes along and thoroughly
dashes that perception.

http://www.essdatarecovery.com/clean.asp

http://www.dataemergency.co.uk/cleanroom.htm

http://www.ontrack.com/special/0403cleanroom.asp

http://www.1stdatarecovery.com/QA_ca.htm

http://www.1stdatarecovery.com/QA_ca.htm#Q14

http://www.nature-photography-centra...aRecovery.html

http://www.updatexp.com/hard-drive-data-recovery.html

http://www.disklabs.com/

dnss wrote:

>
> "Moe Trin" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in
> article
>> <7mcrf.88480$WH.32644@dukeread01>, dnss wrote:
>>
>> >"Jim Watt" <_way> wrote
>>
>> >> If you are +that+ worried about the data, take out the platters and
>> >> leave them in a bucket of salt water for a while,
>>
>> Gonna wash those bits right off, huh?
>>
>> >> perhaps add some hydrochloric acid. data recovery
>> >> might then present some problems ...
>>
>> <Rummages around the garage looking for chemicals>
>>
>> Hmmm, all I can find is a couple of gallons of Muriatic Acid (29%) and
>> Sulfuric Acid (25%) which I normally use for pH control in the swimming
>> pool. There's also some Sodium Carbonate (98%) if you need an alkali.
>>
>> >After the platters are removed from the hdd how can the data be
> recovered?
>>
>> By installing them in another drive.
>
>
>
> I will remove 1 platter from a non defective hdd and mail it to you
> (please provide a snail mail address).
> Please respond with complete details of the data recovery. IF you are
> successful in this process I can send you work on a steady basis!

Great!

We'll need your credit card number. Clean room time is $425/HR with a 3
hour minimum. Typical full drive recoveries run in the $4000 to $9000
range. Since we'll only have a single platter we'll have to send
considerable time piecing together your data by hand, so chances are
you're looking at something more in the $10,000 to $12,000 range.

Yes, we'll be happy to negotiate a contract for large quantities of
drives. Typically on a per-byte basis.

By the way, we're unable to guarantee recovery after incompetent customers
destroy their own equipment trying to get it to us. The three hour minimum
still applies.

dnss wrote:

>
> "TwistyCreek" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> dnss wrote:
>>
>> > After the platters are removed from the hdd how can the data be
> recovered?
>>
>> Actually, that's the best/only way to recover *some* data. Slap the
>> platers in specialized equipment that isn't hindered by the lack of
>> sensitivity and timing problems of consumer grade hardware, and suck
>> every nybble right off a drive that's been "DOD Wiped" or some such
>> nonsense.
>>
>> Professional data recovery folk routinely use clean rooms to disassemble
>> and recover drives this way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The rumor mill lives on. (especially is newsgroups!)
>
> Please provide complete FACTUAL details of the process and equipment used
> to recover data from a hdd platter via an external method.
>
> Your statement re DR companies working in clean rooms is factual as well
> as disassembly of hdd's.

I thought I'd seen some lazy, ignorant posters in my time, but buddy.....
you just blew them ALL away.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in article
<mjxrf.100280$WH.17936@dukeread01>, dnss wrote:

>I will remove 1 platter from a non defective hdd and mail it to you

Not the best idea - exposing the platter to the trials of snail-mail
outside of the case is going to increase your costs, as the disks will
have to be cleaned before mounting. Given the quality of my mail delivery
service, you may also need to have the platters rolled flat again too.

>(please provide a snail mail address).
>Please respond with complete details of the data recovery.
>IF you are successful in this process I can send you work on a steady basis!

Ontrack disk recovery www.ontrack.com/ www.ontrack.de/ www.ontrack.co.uk/
and so on. Do a google search, and get thousands of hits.

Why compete with a very successful business. Hope Santa brought you a
nice debit card with a high limit. One data recovery expense is a very
good lesson as to why you should have tested, secured, up-to-date backups.
Also, they do charge (a not-insignificant fee) just to fill in the paper
work and look at the platter - you might not like the multi-thousand
dollar surprise otherwise.

Old guy