«

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:12:58 +0200, Jim Watt <_way>
wrote:

<snipped>

>What you mean is they have not tested it enough yet and when they
>have it will be released. But what do you care about MS as you say
>you don't use it.

The scary thing about vulnerabilities (be they M$, *nix or otherwise)
is that they *can* and often *do* affect everyone - history has proven
this only too well.

Dazz

Hairy One Kenobi wrote:

> "Imhotep" <> wrote in message
> news:8dydnUelg_-k8bveRVn-...
>> Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
>>
>> > "Imhotep" <> wrote in message
>> > news:c-qdnda426jXQLjeRVn-...
>> >> "Other than saying it planned to release a solitary fix in last week's
>> >> advanced bulletin, Microsoft is yet to disclose any details of the
>> > security
>> >> bug other than to describe it as "critical". "
>> >>
>> >> http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11310
>> >>
>> >> Could this be the patch for outlook and IE? If so, the World already
>> >> knows about it. Reference the original article here.
>> >>
>> >> "The bug affects default installations of Outlook, Outlook Express and
>> >> Internet Explorer on Windows 2000 and XP Service Pack 1. EEye said
>> >> that additional versions of Windows may also be affected."
>> >>
>> >> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...ugs-ms-outlook
>> >
>> > Ah. So "adequate testing" is a /bad/ thing?
>>
>> Did anyone say it was?
>
> Erm.. you did, I think, when you had a go at 'em for not releasing
> something that (presumably) failed testing.

I think you assumed some things. You know what they say about assuming...In
stead try read the post literally. It was meant to warm people about a
security hole that MS people are STILL vulnerable for.

>> > I assume an alpha tester threw it out as conflicting with what used to
> be
>> > called a "layered product" ;o)
>>
>> Did MS ever make a true "layer" product?
>
> Huh?
>
> Thought you had a VMS background? Hence the smiley... it means "anything
> that runs on top of the OS". One example would be Microsoft Office (which,
> rumour has it, is run by several people, worldwide)

Although Windows NT was designed with VMS as its model. The two are very
different. VMS was a stable reliable OS and, well, windows is just not and
never has been....


> H1K

Im

Jim Watt wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:08:56 -0400, Imhotep <>
> wrote:
>
>>Why does this offend you?
>
> Because its just part of your MS bashing campaign;

Whatever, fool. The post was to warm people running Windows that they are
STILL vulnerable for a "critical", as said by Microsoft themselves,
security hole.

> they
> haven't 'backed out; of anything. thats a misstruth, a false
> statement manufactured to advance your flawed arguments.

Humm did you even read the article? I quote:
"...and therefore we feel it is in the best interest of our customers to not
release this update until it undergoes further testing," a Microsoft
spokesman explained."

Jim that is a real live Microsoft spokesperson who said that. Let me
paraphrase for you, those big words are probably messing with your (cough)
mind. Microsoft has backed out of making the patch public because they ran
into problems with the patch. Which is exactly what I said before.

> Its also not accurate to say 'some' people use Microsoft
> products. most of us do.

Some/Most whatever....

> And anyone who disagrees with your nonsense is
> labeled 'a troll'

No, just you. You obviously did not even read the article then you comment
without any knowledge, hummm, yup you're a troll...

> pathetic.

Yes, you are...

> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:15:51 -0400, Imhotep <>
wrote:

<snip>

You really are a sad little obsessive wanker.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:04:18 -0400, Imhotep <>
wrote:

>Although Windows NT was designed with VMS as its model. The two are very
>different. VMS was a stable reliable OS and, well, windows is just not and
>never has been....

so you say, rather too often.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Jim Watt wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:04:18 -0400, Imhotep <>
> wrote:
>
>>Although Windows NT was designed with VMS as its model. The two are very
>>different. VMS was a stable reliable OS and, well, windows is just not and
>>never has been....
>
> so you say, rather too often.
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com

So most people say, rather often....

Im

Jim Watt wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:15:51 -0400, Imhotep <>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> You really are a sad little obsessive wanker.
>
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com

....and you a pathetic man who hides behind tough words and antagonist ways
to hide the fact of your utter uselessness...

Still waiting on you description of password hacking. Jim, face it, you're
all talk...

Later fool

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:43:55 -0400, Imhotep <>
wrote:

>Jim Watt wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:15:51 -0400, Imhotep <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> You really are a sad little obsessive wanker.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Watt
>> http://www.gibnet.com
>
>...and you a pathetic man who hides behind tough words and antagonist ways
>to hide the fact of your utter uselessness...

so you say.

>Still waiting on you description of password hacking. Jim, face it, you're
>all talk...

I never said I was was going to post information on hacking and have
no intention of doing so.

But my main income has come from computers for some years and I've
done most thjings wheras all you can do is make up a silly name and
post links to other peoples stories.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

"Imhotep" <> wrote in message
news:EvGdnTH-...
> Hairy One Kenobi wrote:

<snip>

> > Erm.. you did, I think, when you had a go at 'em for not releasing
> > something that (presumably) failed testing.
>
> I think you assumed some things. You know what they say about
assuming...In
> stead try read the post literally. It was meant to warm people about a
> security hole that MS people are STILL vulnerable for.

Nope. There was some self-satisfied FUD in there. Please go back and reread
your own posts...

> > Thought you had a VMS background? Hence the smiley... it means "anything
> > that runs on top of the OS". One example would be Microsoft Office
(which,
> > rumour has it, is run by several people, worldwide)
>
> Although Windows NT was designed with VMS as its model. The two are very
> different.

Oh yes. Strange that the designers happened to share the same names, though?
All of 'em?

H1K (Former user of Win NT 3.0, only *ever* released on DEC AXP. The horrid
Gateway IBM-compatible thingummy was huge in comparison; I preferred my
VT-320/340 for serious work)

P.S. Given your wide knowledge of the subject, could you remind me who that
Swedish company were? The ones that had queues, DCL, and EVE on an NT4 box?
They were widely used by Ericsson, but I can't remember the name ('twas five
or six years ago). Prolly cheaper to build a gash NT4 box than buy a VAX on
eBay. Even if they work as wonderful space-heaters ;o)

Hairy One Kenobi wrote:

> "Imhotep" <> wrote in message
> news:EvGdnTH-...
>> Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> > Erm.. you did, I think, when you had a go at 'em for not releasing
>> > something that (presumably) failed testing.
>>
>> I think you assumed some things. You know what they say about
> assuming...In
>> stead try read the post literally. It was meant to warm people about a
>> security hole that MS people are STILL vulnerable for.
>
> Nope. There was some self-satisfied FUD in there. Please go back and
> reread your own posts...

I think you are just wasting my time with your posts. I posted this news
message to keep people up to date with security. And you are posting to
just irritate. Maybe you would better off putting your time in posting new
articles about computer security rather than getting waaaaay off topic?

>> > Thought you had a VMS background? Hence the smiley... it means
>> > "anything that runs on top of the OS". One example would be Microsoft
>> > Office
> (which,
>> > rumour has it, is run by several people, worldwide)
>>
>> Although Windows NT was designed with VMS as its model. The two are very
>> different.
>
> Oh yes. Strange that the designers happened to share the same names,
> though? All of 'em?

You are making a point about peoples names. I am making a point about the
result of the end product. Which is more significant?

> H1K (Former user of Win NT 3.0, only *ever* released on DEC AXP. The
> horrid Gateway IBM-compatible thingummy was huge in comparison; I
> preferred my VT-320/340 for serious work)
>
> P.S. Given your wide knowledge of the subject, could you remind me who
> that Swedish company were? The ones that had queues, DCL, and EVE on an
> NT4 box? They were widely used by Ericsson, but I can't remember the name
> ('twas five or six years ago). Prolly cheaper to build a gash NT4 box than
> buy a VAX on eBay. Even if they work as wonderful space-heaters ;o)

Honestly, the last time I worked on a VAX it was in my junior year in
college working at a small company in Framingham, Massachusetts USA. Then I
wrote code for the VMS TCP/IP stack. Since then, I have not been involved
with VMS at all...

Imhotep