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Jim Watt
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      08-31-2005
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Three individuals have been indicted by a federal
grand jury in Phoenix on charges of violating the CAN-SPAM Act of
2003, along with federal obscenity, money laundering and conspiracy
charges, Acting Assistant Attorney General John C. Richter of the
Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton of the District of
Arizona announced today. The CAN-SPAM Act is a federal law designed to
crack down on the transmission of bulk, unsolicited commercial
electronic mail messages.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/August/05_crm_431.htm

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      08-31-2005
Jim Watt wrote:

> WASHINGTON, D.C. - Three individuals have been indicted by a federal
> grand jury in Phoenix on charges of violating the CAN-SPAM Act of
> 2003, along with federal obscenity, money laundering and conspiracy
> charges, Acting Assistant Attorney General John C. Richter of the
> Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton of the District of
> Arizona announced today. The CAN-SPAM Act is a federal law designed to
> crack down on the transmission of bulk, unsolicited commercial
> electronic mail messages.
>
> http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/August/05_crm_431.htm
>
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> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com


Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is actively
trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws. No doubt
Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
 
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David H. Lipman
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      08-31-2005
From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>

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| Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
| Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is actively
| trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws. No doubt
| Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....

Pure FUD !

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Steve Welsh
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      09-01-2005
Well, yes! But unfortunately recent history has taught us that that is
the only thing the US government has to offer to the world. On topic, I
wouldn't trust a Microsoft executive VP to push my grand-daughter's push
chair, nor any member of RIAA, Warner Bros, etc, etc.

They are ALL attempting to dictate to YOU what they consider computer
security is.... unfortunately, they seem to be hell bent on making it
safe from you - the computer owner and user, whilst still losing sight
of the fact that the 'bad guys' are persistently, and successfully
targeting in the main the third class offerings of the Microsoft
Corporation.

I don't do hacking, I study this from interest, but I have had for the
last few months a quiet personal bet that within 18 months a major
international player (company-wise) will go bust, thanks to their total
reliance on good-ol' M$ software.

I look forward to being proved wrong! (The local history of my employer
seems to indicate otherwise )

David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
> |
> | Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
> | Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is actively
> | trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws. No doubt
> | Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
>
> Pure FUD !
>

 
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Imhotep
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      09-01-2005
David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
> |
> | Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
> | Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is actively
> | trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws. No doubt
> | Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
>
> Pure FUD !
>


Try expanding on your comment. Which part, in you belief, is FUD?

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Imhotep
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      09-01-2005
Steve Welsh wrote:

> Well, yes! But unfortunately recent history has taught us that that is
> the only thing the US government has to offer to the world. On topic, I
> wouldn't trust a Microsoft executive VP to push my grand-daughter's push
> chair, nor any member of RIAA, Warner Bros, etc, etc.
>
> They are ALL attempting to dictate to YOU what they consider computer
> security is.... unfortunately, they seem to be hell bent on making it
> safe from you - the computer owner and user, whilst still losing sight
> of the fact that the 'bad guys' are persistently, and successfully
> targeting in the main the third class offerings of the Microsoft
> Corporation.
>
> I don't do hacking, I study this from interest, but I have had for the
> last few months a quiet personal bet that within 18 months a major
> international player (company-wise) will go bust, thanks to their total
> reliance on good-ol' M$ software.
>
> I look forward to being proved wrong! (The local history of my employer
> seems to indicate otherwise )
>
> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>
>> |
>> | Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
>> | Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is
>> | actively trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws.
>> | No doubt Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
>>
>> Pure FUD !
>>


Even more funny is the fact that their plans are wide out in the open and
yet you have people say that's "FUD"...if people read more, you would not
have to explains things over, and over, and over again...
 
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David H. Lipman
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      09-01-2005
From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>

| David H. Lipman wrote:
|
>> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>

|>> Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
|>> Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is actively
|>> trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws. No doubt
|>> Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
>>
>> Pure FUD !
>>

| Try expanding on your comment. Which part, in you belief, is FUD?
|
| Imhotep

"No doubt Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS...."

I doubt it.

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Imhotep
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      09-01-2005
David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
> | David H. Lipman wrote:
> |
>>> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>

> |>> Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has
> |>> failed. Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which
> |>> is actively trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new
> |>> laws. No doubt Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
>>>
>>> Pure FUD !
>>>

> | Try expanding on your comment. Which part, in you belief, is FUD?
> |
> | Imhotep
>
> "No doubt Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS...."
>
> I doubt it.
>


Ah, OK, let's start by reviewing the data with pure logic. Let's start with
some data that I think we can both agree with.

1) Microsoft only does things when those things befit Microsoft. In other
words think about this. Microsoft's users have been complaining about SPAM
for years. Yet what software changes or additions has Microsoft put into
their software to help this? Damn, even Linux/BSD users have email clients
with built in SpamAssassin client plugin modules (reference KDE's KMail).
Yet, even when Microsoft's users have been jumping up and down in
frustration, they go out and try to convince the NV gov/people that they
SHOULD NOT pass a law that clearly protects computer users. Ask yourself
why.

2) CAN-SPAM is a failure. Pure and simple. So why the lie to the NV
gov/people? Let's look at this simply. Anytime someone lies to you when
they are trying to sell something to you, watch out.

3) Calling SPAMMERS "email marketers' is the same old technique of sugar
coating an issue. Again, why not just call it what it is?

As with anything in life, when investigating someone look for the motive.
Understanding someone's motive will reveal the truth.

Now, you can disagree with me as to Microsoft's motive for such and
irresponsible stance on SPAM if you want. However, I think the statement
about Microsoft benefiting for SPAMING companies an honest, and high
probable, statement.

If you think their motive is something else, please say what you think it
is. I will honestly entertain the idea.

Imhotep

 
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Dazz
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      09-02-2005
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:01:17 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

>From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>
>| David H. Lipman wrote:
>|
>>> From: "Imhotep" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>

>|>> Humm... 3 people out of 3 million caught. Clearly, CAN-SPAM has failed.
>|>> Tougher new laws are needed...Unless you are Microsoft which is actively
>|>> trying to persuade legislators to NOT create tougher new laws. No doubt
>|>> Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS....
>>>
>>> Pure FUD !
>>>

>| Try expanding on your comment. Which part, in you belief, is FUD?
>|
>| Imhotep
>
>"No doubt Microsoft has monetary gain from SPAMMERS...."
>
>I doubt it.


Perhaps we should let Microsoft's Technology Care and Safety Group
head, Ryan Hamlin, tell us.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html

"Microsoft's Technology Care and Safety Group, headed by Ryan Hamlin,
is celebrating a blow against spam in the US after securing a $US7
million settlement from former spammer Scott Richter, who Mr Hamlin
describes as the third largest spammer in the US, responsible for
sending out more than 20 billion spam messages in just one year."

"However, he says the New Zealand Government's Unsolicited Electronic
Messages Bill is "too broad" and could impinge on "the amazing vehicle
of e-mail marketing". "

"Mr Hamlin says Microsoft would like to see the bill changed so that
businesses could be confident they could continue to use databases
that they had already compiled to send out e-mail."

"He also wants definitions in the bill changed so that companies would
be able to e-mail information about new products and services to
customers, even if they had opted out of receiving e-mail about other
services they had bought from the company in the past."

"Microsoft is keen to stamp out spam, but Mr Hamlin is concerned the
bill as it stands could prevent businesses from sending out e-mails to
people who had been their customers."

"He says businesses ought to be able to send unsolicited e-mail to
people even if they are unsure if they have a pre-existing business
relationship with them."

Hmmmm. "...the amazing vehicle of e-mail marketing"?

"...ought to be able to send unsolicited e-mail to people even if they
are unsure if they have a pre-existing business relationship with
them"?

If it looks like Spam, it sounds like Spam and it tastes like Spam, it
probably is Spam.

Dazz

 
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David H. Lipman
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      09-02-2005
From: "Dazz" <(E-Mail Removed)>

|
| Perhaps we should let Microsoft's Technology Care and Safety Group
| head, Ryan Hamlin, tell us.
|
| http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html
|
| "Microsoft's Technology Care and Safety Group, headed by Ryan Hamlin,
| is celebrating a blow against spam in the US after securing a $US7
| million settlement from former spammer Scott Richter, who Mr Hamlin
| describes as the third largest spammer in the US, responsible for
| sending out more than 20 billion spam messages in just one year."
|
| "However, he says the New Zealand Government's Unsolicited Electronic
| Messages Bill is "too broad" and could impinge on "the amazing vehicle
| of e-mail marketing". "
|
| "Mr Hamlin says Microsoft would like to see the bill changed so that
| businesses could be confident they could continue to use databases
| that they had already compiled to send out e-mail."
|
| "He also wants definitions in the bill changed so that companies would
| be able to e-mail information about new products and services to
| customers, even if they had opted out of receiving e-mail about other
| services they had bought from the company in the past."
|
| "Microsoft is keen to stamp out spam, but Mr Hamlin is concerned the
| bill as it stands could prevent businesses from sending out e-mails to
| people who had been their customers."
|
| "He says businesses ought to be able to send unsolicited e-mail to
| people even if they are unsure if they have a pre-existing business
| relationship with them."
|
| Hmmmm. "...the amazing vehicle of e-mail marketing"?
|
| "...ought to be able to send unsolicited e-mail to people even if they
| are unsure if they have a pre-existing business relationship with
| them"?
|
| If it looks like Spam, it sounds like Spam and it tastes like Spam, it
| probably is Spam.
|
| Dazz

Have you actually read the "New Zealand Government's Unsolicited Electronic Messages Bill" ?

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