sick of Linux bias

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:58:20 -0500, Jim <> wrote:

>If you do need to upgrade, luckily Linux has made the process simple.

lots of drivel snipped

If you wanna upgrade from say mandrake 8 to Mandrake 9 or 10, download
the distro and install.

in what way is this different from Windows ?

I can appreciate that there are a few Linux devotees here, but you are
unlikely to win them over by this kind of childish inaccurate post.


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Alastair Smeaton

Alastair Smeaton

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:22:50 -0500, Jim <> wrote:

>Inaccurate? That is straight from the linux support site. Are you saying
>that all linux distibs are handled differently? That makes it much more
>appealing and even easier to support.
>
It is inaccurate because you said that this is what you do if you want
to upgrade.

If you want to upgrade the kernel, as someone who knows only a little
about Linux, I know of, and have done this 2 ways - recompiled a new
kernel from source (what you described) or install a new version of
Linux, which comes with a pre-compiled version of the kernel. - Like
upgrading Win98 to XP.

I could lift some text from the Microsoft Knowledge Base and tell you
"look, see what you have to do when you install Windows" - it would
not be true, simply because I take it from Microsoft directly.

I stand by my post - you were inaccurate, misleading, and provocative
for the sake of it. If someone talking about Linux bothers you, learn
how to configure usenet filters. I don't read any posts here which
talk about using iptables as a firewall method - cos I don't use Linux
- easy

FWIW - I run XP, prefer it to the various distros of Linux I have
tried - but if you wanna bash Linux, you need to do better than what
you have said so far.
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Alastair Smeaton

Alastair Smeaton

Here is a little article for all of you linux boys out there who feel
Linux has little to no security flaws. I am looking for the article now
and will post later, but do any of you remember how the back door trjan
almost made it into the kernel?

Open Source and Secure just dont go hand in hand.

http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-5135...l?tag=nefd_top

Jim

Jim

If you do need to upgrade, luckily Linux has made the process simple.
Below you can find the instructions for upgrading. If you have problems,
there is no real support so use google or a newsgroup and hope that
whoever helps you actually knows what they are doing. Then when you need
to call in an expert to pull you out, explain to your company that the
software is 'free'.

CONFIGURING the kernel:

- do a "make config" to configure the basic kernel. "make config"
needs bash to work: it will search for bash in $BASH, /bin/bash and
/bin/sh (in that order), so hopefully one of those is correct.

- Alternate configuration commands are:
"make menuconfig" Text based color menus, radiolists & dialogs.
"make xconfig" X windows based configuration tool.

NOTES on "make config":
- having unnecessary drivers will make the kernel bigger, and can
under some circumstances lead to problems: probing for a
nonexistent controller card may confuse your other controllers
- compiling the kernel with "Processor type" set higher than 386
will result in a kernel that does NOT work on a 386. The
kernel will detect this on bootup, and give up.
- A kernel with math-emulation compiled in will still use the
coprocessor if one is present: the math emulation will just
never get used in that case. The kernel will be slightly larger,
but will work on different machines regardless of whether they
have a math coprocessor or not.
- the "kernel hacking" configuration details usually result in a
bigger or slower kernel (or both), and can even make the kernel
less stable by configuring some routines to actively try to
break bad code to find kernel problems (kmalloc()). Thus you
should probably answer 'n' to the questions for a "production"
kernel.

- Check the top Makefile for further site-dependent configuration
(default SVGA mode etc).

- Finally, do a "make dep" to set up all the dependencies correctly.

COMPILING the kernel:

- make sure you have gcc-2.6.3 or newer available. It seems older gcc
versions can have problems compiling newer versions of linux. If you
upgrade your compiler, remember to get the new binutils package too
(for as/ld/nm and company).

- do a "make zImage" to create a compressed kernel image. If you want
to make a bootdisk (without root filesystem or lilo), insert a floppy
in your A: drive, and do a "make zdisk". It is also possible to do
"make zlilo" if you have lilo installed to suit the kernel makefiles,
but you may want to check your particular lilo setup first.

- if your kernel is too large for "make zImage", use "make bzImage"
instead.

- if you configured any of the parts of the kernel as `modules', you
will have to do "make modules" followed by "make modules_install".
Read Documentation/modules.txt for more information. For example,
an explanation of how to use the modules is included there.

- keep a backup kernel handy in case something goes wrong. This is
especially true for the development releases, since each new release
contains new code which has not been debugged.

- In order to boot your new kernel, you'll need to copy the kernel
image (found in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage after compilation)
to the place where your regular bootable kernel is found.

For some, this is on a floppy disk, in which case you can "cp
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage /dev/fd0" to make a bootable
floppy. Note that as of Linux 2.0.0, a kernel copied to a 720k
double-density 3.5" floppy disk no longer boots. In this case,
it is highly recommended that you install LILO on your
double-density bootfloppy or switch to high-density floppies.

If you boot Linux from the hard drive, chances are you use LILO which
uses the kernel image as specified in the file /etc/lilo.conf. The
kernel image file is usually /vmlinuz, or /zImage, or /etc/zImage.
To use the new kernel, copy the new image over the old one (save a
backup of the original!). Then, you MUST RERUN LILO to update the
loading map!! If you don't, you won't be able to boot the new kernel
image.

Reinstalling LILO is usually a matter of running /sbin/lilo.
You may wish to edit /etc/lilo.conf to specify an entry for your
old kernel image (say, /vmlinux.old) in case the new one does not
work. See the LILO docs for more information.

After reinstalling LILO, you should be all set. Shutdown the system,
reboot, and enjoy!

If you ever need to change the default root device, video mode,
ramdisk size, etc. in the kernel image, use the 'rdev' program (or
alternatively the LILO boot options when appropriate). No need to
recompile the kernel to change these parameters.

- reboot with the new kernel and enjoy.

Jim

Jim Wasted my time by saying: on 1/5/2004 4:51 PM:
> Here is a little article for all of you linux boys out there who feel
> Linux has little to no security flaws. I am looking for the article now
> and will post later, but do any of you remember how the back door trjan
> almost made it into the kernel?
>
> Open Source and Secure just dont go hand in hand.
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-5135...l?tag=nefd_top
>
> Jim

Jim

Inaccurate? That is straight from the linux support site. Are you saying
that all linux distibs are handled differently? That makes it much more
appealing and even easier to support.

I especially love the part in the doc, 'so hopefully one of those is
correct.' I am not trying to win anyone over. I am sick of the linux
bitches out there with bitch attitudes about security etc.

Jim

Alastair Smeaton Wasted my time by saying: on 1/4/2004 5:17 PM:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:58:20 -0500, Jim <> wrote:
>
>
>>If you do need to upgrade, luckily Linux has made the process simple.
>
>
> lots of drivel snipped
>
> If you wanna upgrade from say mandrake 8 to Mandrake 9 or 10, download
> the distro and install.
>
> in what way is this different from Windows ?
>
> I can appreciate that there are a few Linux devotees here, but you are
> unlikely to win them over by this kind of childish inaccurate post.
>
>

Jim

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:22:50 -0500, Jim wrote:
> Inaccurate? That is straight from the linux support site. Are you saying
> that all linux distibs are handled differently? That makes it much more
> appealing and even easier to support.

There are over 190 linuxs out there. Each vendor decides what kernel
that they are supporting.
>
> I especially love the part in the doc, 'so hopefully one of those is
> correct.' I am not trying to win anyone over. I am sick of the linux
> bitches out there with bitch attitudes about security etc.

Yes, it is hard when there are 70 new virus a week and micro$not is on
one operating system NOT (95, 88, ce, nt, 2k, xp, xp pro, . .

Looking at the microsoft database of exploits shows linux has much
less problems.

Bit Twister

Everyone attacks the winner. What fun is there in kicking someone when
they are already down?

Jim

Bit Twister Wasted my time by saying: on 1/5/2004 5:28 PM:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:22:50 -0500, Jim wrote:
>
>>Inaccurate? That is straight from the linux support site. Are you saying
>>that all linux distibs are handled differently? That makes it much more
>>appealing and even easier to support.
>
>
> There are over 190 linuxs out there. Each vendor decides what kernel
> that they are supporting.
>
>>I especially love the part in the doc, 'so hopefully one of those is
>>correct.' I am not trying to win anyone over. I am sick of the linux
>>bitches out there with bitch attitudes about security etc.
>
>
> Yes, it is hard when there are 70 new virus a week and micro$not is on
> one operating system NOT (95, 88, ce, nt, 2k, xp, xp pro, . .
>
> Looking at the microsoft database of exploits shows linux has much
> less problems.
>

Jim

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:43:21 -0500, Jim wrote:
> Everyone attacks the winner.

Thank you for acknowledging linux is better.

> What fun is there in kicking someone when they are already down?

Yes, thay is why Micor$not is giving 95% cost reductions just to keep
their customers.
The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft
http://69.56.255.194/?article=13350

Bit Twister

Gee, I love a good food fight!

I don't know Linux well enough to criticize it, or probably secure it. On the
other hand, I have been running Windows on the internet for ten years without a
single infection, invasion, exploit, or even a mild head cold because I do know
the system well enough to secure it. So for me, Windows is a more secure system.

All the banter about which system is more secure or more vulnerable is just
noise. Windows is just a bigger target filled with largely uninformed users. If
Linux ever makes the transition from lunatic fringe to mainstream, exploits will
breed like rabbits. The Linux evangelists are cutting their own throats.
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Dave "Crash" Dummy - A weapon of mass destruction
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\Crash\ Dummy

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:22:50 -0500, Jim <> wrote:

>I am sick of the linux bitches out there with bitch attitudes about
>security etc.

Given a choice open source has its attractions, and the fact
that people find and fix flaws is positive.

I'd not run Win/XP and had over my machine to MS.
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Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

Jim Watt