First post here .. blasted mad as hell

> Post the FULL headers and we could try to help you. Toning down your
> language would also be helpful.

No you can't, and I'm not kidding. I'm going after somebody
just to get it started at my level. This is costing us billions of
dollars, and so far, I have found only one way that works
.... geographical ( statistical profiling ) of the sources. I think
I can get their borders blocked in the same way that radio
stations go after rogue broadcasters. All I need is the tool
that works once I get close enough. And right now, I want
to know who has that tool, and the legal issues involved.

johns

johns

"> 1) calm down please
> 2) we need to see the headers to get more information. You can take
> out your real e-mail addy if you like...
>
> So, what exactly happened?

No way. It is time to get mad. We need "signed" packets,
and legally enforced allowable code running on the net.
It is time to stop the crap and save a ton of money.
An unsigned packet on the net should not be allowed
or passed by hardware alone. It is time to kick some
butts, and I am determined to find a way. What
happened? I have 1200 users on my lan !!!! That
is what is happening every day, and I'm going to
do something about it.

johns

johns

[ Doc Jeff ] Spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and
proclaimed in <>:

> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:37:26 -0800, "johns" <>
> wrote:
>
>>I've been in this business for 30 years, and I'm finally fed up
>>with the bullshit. I've been all over the web .. CISCO, MS,
>>on and on and on ... trying to locate a tool that will trace the
>>EXACT source of email.
>
> You've been in this business for 30 years and haven't learned how to
> trace an e-mail? Are you retarded? The best "tool" to trace an
> email is your own experienced mind.

I'm under the expression he wants to bitch, moan and cuss. As a
result, trying to help him is worthless, IMO...

NOI

Thund3rstruck

> You've been in this business for 30 years and haven't learned how to
> trace an e-mail? Are you retarded? The best "tool" to trace an email
> is your own experienced mind.

Bull ... another child in the presence of adults. I'm looking
for someone who has done this, and got past the wall of
silence that that we invariably hit. I'm getting tired of this
crap too. Prove it, jerk. Give me the actual physical address
of even one of these "Patch" spammers. I'll post back with
the ongoing lawsuit, and how much money I make. I'll give
all of that money to the next guy who wants to have a go
at the same thing. Or, better, I need a network legal
beagle ambulance chaser looking to get rich. I'll give him
every cent we make from the lawsuit, and provide free
network and computer support to him.

johns

johns

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:31:01 -0800, "johns" <>
wrote:

>
>> would be interesting to see what happens when they are also faced with
>> a jail sentence.
>
>Amen! Thanks for the link. I'm going to put somebody in
>prison !

Well, if you do, the least you could do for them is buy them a soap on
the rope.

Dazz

>johns
>

Dazz

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:01:14 -0800, "johns" <>
wrote:

>
>> You've been in this business for 30 years and haven't learned how to
>> trace an e-mail? Are you retarded? The best "tool" to trace an email
>> is your own experienced mind.
>
>Bull ... another child in the presence of adults. I'm looking
>for someone who has done this, and got past the wall of
>silence that that we invariably hit. I'm getting tired of this
>crap too. Prove it, jerk. Give me the actual physical address
>of even one of these "Patch" spammers. I'll post back with
>the ongoing lawsuit, and how much money I make. I'll give
>all of that money to the next guy who wants to have a go
>at the same thing. Or, better, I need a network legal
>beagle ambulance chaser looking to get rich. I'll give him
>every cent we make from the lawsuit, and provide free
>network and computer support to him.
>
>johns

The origin of many emails can be traced by reading the headers
however there is no 'sure fire' method' of doing this automatically
nor can the origin of all emails be established correctly.

I note that I receive some junkmail with my address and another
name.

There is some useful software at: http://www.samspade.org/
which tried to do this and has a lot of good features.

They announce they are moving servers today, so if it does
not work, try later.

AOL have sued spammers successfully and it has not deterred
them, instead of making lawyers rich, direct action might
lower everyones junkmail

If, however, you want the help of the group who are quite
good at reading headers, and are not impressed by noisy newcomers
to computing you had better post them and stop ranting.
--
Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

Jim Watt

"johns" <> wrote in message news:<bpgkac$f1r$>...
> trying to locate a tool that will trace the
> EXACT source of email.

Tracing the source assumes that the path is littered in clues.
Because of the very accepting nature of the email system, the clue
trail can stop halfway back without ever indicating the location of
the source. I don't know about you, I've only worked in this business
for 25 years, but I don't know of a tool to pick up a non-existent
trail.

Bottom line, email can be spoofed using the current system with its
current configuration. Until the configuration is changed and
auditing or logging is implemented, spoof emails will continue.

You can, however, go after the last traceable host and air your
concerns with them. They are, after all, supporting the spammer by
hiding (or helping to hide) his or her location or identity, they are
not without some responsibility.

n1pop@hotmail.com

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> I have 1200 users on my lan !!!!

And you're 100% sure no one of the 1200 is screwing arround?

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"johns" <> wrote in message
news:bpjo4v$lov$...
>
> > You've been in this business for 30 years and haven't learned how to
> > trace an e-mail? Are you retarded? The best "tool" to trace an email
> > is your own experienced mind.
>
> Bull ... another child in the presence of adults. I'm looking
> for someone who has done this, and got past the wall of
> silence that that we invariably hit. I'm getting tired of this
> crap too. Prove it, jerk. Give me the actual physical address
> of even one of these "Patch" spammers. I'll post back with
> the ongoing lawsuit, and how much money I make. I'll give
> all of that money to the next guy who wants to have a go
> at the same thing. Or, better, I need a network legal
> beagle ambulance chaser looking to get rich. I'll give him
> every cent we make from the lawsuit, and provide free
> network and computer support to him.

Yawn. Either read the RFC (easy for anyone that's been in the business that
long), or simply follow these (simple) instructions:

http://www.codecutters.org/spam/smtpheaders.html

The remailer comment still stands, though.

Incidentally, the "patch spammer" comment sounds like a bit of confusion
between spam and an email virus..?

--

Hairy One Kenobi

Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!

Hairy One Kenobi