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Robert Foltyn
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      11-05-2003
I apologise that I took me so long (Windows users ARE slow) to thank the
group, and especially some members thereof, for the invaluable help.

Slow as I am, I must admit that I surprised myself being able to find the
smartest dude on the net with just a single click of the mouse.
Billyboi\"@micro$oft.com, it has been so comforting to here your erudite
comments. And how helpful! I'm truly impressed. Were it not for you, I would
not solve the problem.



I understand you have been concerned about where I have been for the past
three months. Well, maybe it will come as a surprise to you but there are
people who work and do not have time to watch how the worm market is
developing. Fortunately, almighty Billybois do it for us and are kind enough
to share their profound knowledge.



Sincerely,



 
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Pete-X
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      11-06-2003

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"Robert Foltyn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I apologise that I took me so long (Windows users ARE slow) to thank the
> group, and especially some members thereof, for the invaluable help.


It's nice that you thanked the group at all. It isn't required, but is
always appreciated if the effort is made. It's not a case of being slow.
It's not a case of whether you use Microsoft software or any *nix
equivalents. Not everyone has the time to keep track of what's going on in
the virus world, and what the latest scam is. The worm that attacked you in
this case *was* devious I'll admit. I hope you'll not blindly trust and run
any attachments from now on, and assume as a rule of thumb, that most
software vendors do not send 'updates' through email, you normally have to
visit the official site to get them.

> Slow as I am, I must admit that I surprised myself being able to find the
> smartest dude on the net with just a single click of the mouse.
> Billyboi\"@micro$oft.com, it has been so comforting to here your erudite
> comments. And how helpful! I'm truly impressed. Were it not for you, I
> would not solve the problem.


Welcome to USENET ! Plenty of the likes of 'billyboi' around, best get
used to them. Suffice it to say that people like this would never utter any
of their troll-spew to you face to face. In this case, it sounds like
another tedious Linux-troll. These of course are the people who are far
more blinkered than those they choose to call. It's also some sort of
blasphemy to these idiots to use and, wait for it, *enjoy* using, *various*
operating systems, exploiting each respective systems' advantages.

Robert, you need a healthy dose of paranoia it would seem. Despite what
people say about it, it is not necessarily a bad thing. Think of paranoia
as being acutely aware. And as for being 'slow', I'm a fully paid up
member of that club too.

Cheers.

Regards,

Pete.
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jayjwa
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      11-07-2003
Pete-X wrote:
Not everyone has the time to keep track of what's going on in
> the virus world, and what the latest scam is. The worm that attacked you in
> this case *was* devious I'll admit.


3 months old, on every headline, every news, even spells "news"
backward, dozens of warnings from everywhere- how devious! how subtle!



> Welcome to USENET ! Plenty of the likes of 'billyboi' around, best get
> used to them. Suffice it to say that people like this would never utter any
> of their troll-spew to you face to face. In this case, it sounds like
> another tedious Linux-troll. These of course are the people who are far
> more blinkered than those they choose to call.


What could be worse? A net- Goody-Goody, who is more bothered about a
post than the person it was fired off at. I can see you with your tights
and cape now, with a big "SSS" on your chest, for "Super-Safe Surfer"!
to tha rescue!

It's also some sort of
> blasphemy to these idiots to use and, wait for it, *enjoy* using, *various*
> operating systems, exploiting each respective systems' advantages.


If you knew anything about computers, you'd see just how rediculous you
sound trying to defend your virus-infested, worm-laden sorry excuse for
an OS- why you people continue to run that junk, then come in "security"
groups and ask how to "make it secure" is beyond me. You can't, it's
Micro$0ft! And you're paying for it while Bill Gates laughs his ass off
all the way to the bank, while hard-working people make FREE software
just as good, and usually better, for the love of what they do so we
that can realize what we have can us it, instead of letting M$ bleed us
dry selling us high-priced sofware full of security holes- In fact, it's
SO insecure, that writting worms and viruses to bring it to it's knees
is trivial- especially when you have the aid of blissful ignorance on
your side.
Let's look at it from a different point- say, for example, I don't know
what I'm doing with my mail server- I leave it open relay. Days go by,
then weeks. You, the guy that originally posted, and everyone else get
tons of spam, 50, 60, 70+ a day, all with MY address as the from field.
Meanwhile, no other host will deal with mine, because now I'm listed in
a distributed server boycott list (dsbl.org, etc, etc) and I post to
this group:

"I've got this problem, everyone is writing nasty message to me saying I
spam them, my service provider's pulling the plug, and my machine's is
listed in a dozen spam-source lists. I don't know why, no clue."

Now a few of you, full of brotherly-loveness, will probably point out
what's up, MAYBE offer to help- the other 85% of you will want to kill
me because now you get an extra 50, 60, 100, 120+ spam a day filling
your mailbox to the point that new, legit mail is bouncing. Your email
from your company bounces, you miss that important opportunity and your
colleage in the next office gets your promotion. Or you have been out of
work for 4 weeks, when finally a sweet job offer is emailed to you with
good pay besides- which bounces, and the position goes to the next man.
Or you miss the invitation to your only son's first wedding, since he
lives across the country and needed to send mail quickly, he emailed it-
it bounces. Hmmmm... that's alot of Opps! Sorry guys! That I am
responsible for. A made-up story? No, not really- this very thing
happend to many, many people- because Windows machines (which are run by
and large by the clients of the ISP's, as home-users) were biting it
daily, causing themselves infact to become virus-cannons and fill up
mail boxxes. And due to an old exploit which had been patched....by a
method warned about (previewing active-content email)...by a company and
it's products KNOWN to be on average insecure....AFTER many, many people
posted their own warnings....CERT issued warnings....MS themselves
issued warnings! These worm-laden Windows computers can't hurt the vast
majority of Unix(like) OS- but they sure did tax our mail servers, cause
us to move around useless junk, and made it so email became next to
worthless for awhile. -All because a few someones were "too busy" to
watch that they didn't become a virus factory? It's bad enough to get
infected, against your best effort NOT to- but to go and INSTALL a
virus?! Sorry, no simpathy here. And while I had a good time with it,
from reading the guy's response I think he now will watch more careful.
Good. But for some other Net-Guardian-Angle to try to shoot me down for
saying out loud what nearly everyone was thinking, especially when, as
hard to take as it may be, I was right- that's just pity-party material
LAME.


> Robert, you need a healthy dose of paranoia it would seem.


No, what you need to do (other than installing Linux ;p ) is have a
quick glance at www.cert.org - a front-page glance takes about 30
seconds. www.microsoft.com (I even hate to type that name) will of
course have warnings, and www.incidents.org- if you have the time, it's
more in-depth for people that dig this kind of stuff. Isn't 60 secs a
day of provention (providing you follow the advice and keep you stuff
updated) worth not seeing all this trouble?

And as for being 'slow', I'm a fully paid up
> member of that club too.


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      11-07-2003

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"jayjwa" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Pete-X wrote:
> Not everyone has the time to keep track of what's going on in
> > the virus world, and what the latest scam is. The worm that attacked
> > you in this case *was* devious I'll admit.

>
> 3 months old, on every headline, every news, even spells "news"
> backward, dozens of warnings from everywhere- how devious! how subtle!
>
>
>
> > Welcome to USENET ! Plenty of the likes of 'billyboi' around, best
> > get used to them. Suffice it to say that people like this would never
> > utter any of their troll-spew to you face to face. In this case, it
> > sounds like another tedious Linux-troll. These of course are the people
> > who are far more blinkered than those they choose to call.

>
> What could be worse? A net- Goody-Goody, who is more bothered about a
> post than the person it was fired off at. I can see you with your tights
> and cape now, with a big "SSS" on your chest, for "Super-Safe Surfer"!
> to tha rescue!
>
> It's also some sort of
> > blasphemy to these idiots to use and, wait for it, *enjoy* using,
> > *various* operating systems, exploiting each respective systems'
> > advantages.

>
> If you knew anything about computers, you'd see just how rediculous you
> sound trying to defend your virus-infested, worm-laden sorry excuse for
> an OS- why you people continue to run that junk, then come in "security"
> groups and ask how to "make it secure" is beyond me. You can't, it's
> Micro$0ft! And you're paying for it while Bill Gates laughs his ass off
> all the way to the bank, while hard-working people make FREE software
> just as good, and usually better, for the love of what they do so we
> that can realize what we have can us it, instead of letting M$ bleed us
> dry selling us high-priced sofware full of security holes- In fact, it's
> SO insecure, that writting worms and viruses to bring it to it's knees
> is trivial- especially when you have the aid of blissful ignorance on
> your side.
> Let's look at it from a different point- say, for example, I don't know
> what I'm doing with my mail server- I leave it open relay. Days go by,
> then weeks. You, the guy that originally posted, and everyone else get
> tons of spam, 50, 60, 70+ a day, all with MY address as the from field.
> Meanwhile, no other host will deal with mine, because now I'm listed in
> a distributed server boycott list (dsbl.org, etc, etc) and I post to
> this group:
>
> "I've got this problem, everyone is writing nasty message to me saying I
> spam them, my service provider's pulling the plug, and my machine's is
> listed in a dozen spam-source lists. I don't know why, no clue."
>
> Now a few of you, full of brotherly-loveness, will probably point out
> what's up, MAYBE offer to help- the other 85% of you will want to kill
> me because now you get an extra 50, 60, 100, 120+ spam a day filling
> your mailbox to the point that new, legit mail is bouncing. Your email
> from your company bounces, you miss that important opportunity and your
> colleage in the next office gets your promotion. Or you have been out of
> work for 4 weeks, when finally a sweet job offer is emailed to you with
> good pay besides- which bounces, and the position goes to the next man.
> Or you miss the invitation to your only son's first wedding, since he
> lives across the country and needed to send mail quickly, he emailed it-
> it bounces. Hmmmm... that's alot of Opps! Sorry guys! That I am
> responsible for. A made-up story? No, not really- this very thing
> happend to many, many people- because Windows machines (which are run by
> and large by the clients of the ISP's, as home-users) were biting it
> daily, causing themselves infact to become virus-cannons and fill up
> mail boxxes. And due to an old exploit which had been patched....by a
> method warned about (previewing active-content email)...by a company and
> it's products KNOWN to be on average insecure....AFTER many, many people
> posted their own warnings....CERT issued warnings....MS themselves
> issued warnings! These worm-laden Windows computers can't hurt the vast
> majority of Unix(like) OS- but they sure did tax our mail servers, cause
> us to move around useless junk, and made it so email became next to
> worthless for awhile. -All because a few someones were "too busy" to
> watch that they didn't become a virus factory? It's bad enough to get
> infected, against your best effort NOT to- but to go and INSTALL a
> virus?! Sorry, no simpathy here. And while I had a good time with it,
> from reading the guy's response I think he now will watch more careful.
> Good. But for some other Net-Guardian-Angle to try to shoot me down for
> saying out loud what nearly everyone was thinking, especially when, as
> hard to take as it may be, I was right- that's just pity-party material
> LAME.
>
>
> > Robert, you need a healthy dose of paranoia it would seem.

>
> No, what you need to do (other than installing Linux ;p ) is have a
> quick glance at www.cert.org - a front-page glance takes about 30
> seconds. www.microsoft.com (I even hate to type that name) will of
> course have warnings, and www.incidents.org- if you have the time, it's
> more in-depth for people that dig this kind of stuff. Isn't 60 secs a
> day of provention (providing you follow the advice and keep you stuff
> updated) worth not seeing all this trouble?
>
> And as for being 'slow', I'm a fully paid up
> > member of that club too.

>
> ..Life-time membership


So you're billyboi then ?

Regards,

Pete.

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      11-07-2003
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> So you're billyboi then ?


Can you trim your posts?

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>
> Can you trim your posts?
>
> Thanks.


Will do.

Regards,

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      11-09-2003
Pete-X wrote:

> So you're billyboi then ?


billyboi = Bill Gates / microsoftsux.suk , giddit?

One more point, as long as we're beating this thing to death. I wrote to
an ISP that was bombarding me with mail constantly, Swen copies, and
told them about it, told them they had a few (many?) Windows users
infected. I even told'em where to go for good anti-vx software. I
provided them with my logs to track down the source; that showed their
MTA sending to mine every 14 minutes, every hour, every day for what
ended up being a week and a half. It finally stopped, but now today it's
started again. Because someone is infected and their machine is now a
virus cannon, firing off copies of that damn thing. If he had taken a
small precaution, this wouldn't have happend! Why can't people stay
(even somewhat) informed on what happens on the Internet in terms of
risks? It's not that hard, you may spare some one else hours, days or
weeks of trouble by just taking care of your stuff.
I don't know... when I wrote the first post, I was laughing- you got to
admit, INSTALLING a virus is very funny. And I don't know why people
think I'm trying to hide or something. No one uses their full real name
(almost no one). People have said things far worse to me on usenet than
what was said here, and maybe I was a bit tough, but my advice to that
is to either get a thicker shield or a sharper sword- this is usenet;
people will speak their mind, no-holds-barred. (But I bet that the
original poster will never install a "mystery" package again without
thinking.)


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      11-09-2003
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:55:46 -0500, jayjwa wrote:

> Pete-X wrote:
>
>> So you're billyboi then ?

>
> billyboi = Bill Gates / microsoftsux.suk , giddit?


That's clever.

> One more point, as long as we're beating this thing to death.


No, as long as *you're* beating this to death.

> Why can't people stay
> (even somewhat) informed on what happens on the Internet in terms of
> risks? It's not that hard, you may spare some one else hours, days or
> weeks of trouble by just taking care of your stuff.


Why should they ? Who are you to tell them what to do with their computers
? Just because *you* are glued to your PC, doesn't mean everyone else is.
No one cares about your 'info-crusades' anyway, especially if they're
peppered with the same self-righteousness that you so often display here.
Taking the **** out of someone because they're not glued to their PC like
you, was a cheap shot, and totally uncalled for. Quit tarring (no pun
intended) everyone with your brush and accept that some people just want
to use their computers very occasionally, and are going to make mistakes.

If you're so knowledgeable, why didn't you take the time to help the guy,
instead of sounding off like an impotent jerk ? Of course, you just
couldn't resist using the same old tedious Linux-troll shite, which only
makes you look like a daft ****, and informs or helps no one.

Linux does do some pretty cool things, but do you really believe that the
tired old 'pro-linux-****-everything-else' rants are doing anyone any good
? Or doing anything other than getting you plonked more times than
alkaseltzer ?


> I don't know... when I wrote the first post, I was laughing- you got to
> admit, INSTALLING a virus is very funny.


I think you should get out more.

>And I don't know why people
> think I'm trying to hide or something. No one uses their full real name
> (almost no one). People have said things far worse to me on usenet than
> what was said here, and maybe I was a bit tough, but my advice to that
> is to either get a thicker shield or a sharper sword- this is usenet;
> people will speak their mind, no-holds-barred. (But I bet that the
> original poster will never install a "mystery" package again without
> thinking.)


If that is the case, it had nothing to do with any of your input, or lack
thereof. I don't doubt people slag you off a lot, and I'm sure that you
instigate a lot of it. No one thinks you're trying to hide, and I doubt
anyone really gives a **** about this thread this far down, except for
mild entertainment purposes.

Pete.

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