Re: Why Blu-ray has already won: Burners

"Blig Merk" <> wrote in message

> BenQ, LG, Phillips and Panasonic all have Blu-ray burner PC drives,
> already on the market or showing up next month for less than $1000.
> Both the Sony Vaio laptop and desktop have dual layer Blu-ray burners.

Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.

Fred Liken

In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Fred Liken <> wrote:
> "Blig Merk" <> wrote in message

> > BenQ, LG, Phillips and Panasonic all have Blu-ray burner PC drives,
> > already on the market or showing up next month for less than $1000.
> > Both the Sony Vaio laptop and desktop have dual layer Blu-ray burners.

> Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.

In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Doug Jacobs <> wrote:

> > Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.

Darnit, my finger slipped.

Anyways, I was going to say aren't the players supposed to already support
BR-R?

Or are we going to see a repeat of the DVD silliness where burnable discs
will only be readable by burners until the successive generations of BR
players come out with the ability to read BR-R and other formats?

Surely they wouldn't be that silly...would they? (don't answer that!

Maybe should we just wait for the "BR players" that can stream video over
your LAN-connected server - only without the BR drive in it. Reminds me of
Bender's idea of what an Amusement Park should be

"Doug Jacobs" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Doug Jacobs <>
> wrote:
>
>> > Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.
>
> Darnit, my finger slipped.

I just figured you QFT.

> Anyways, I was going to say aren't the players supposed to already support
> BR-R?

Dunno. I did read the DRM had been hacked, though, I think.

On 7/17/2006 4:32:07 PM, Fred Liken wrote:

> I did read the DRM had been hacked, though, I think.

Not really. They just discovered that you can save a frame using the
print screen function. You'd still have to find a way to automate saving
EVERY frame, and then reencoding it into a video format.

Or just point a camcorder at your monitor.
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On 17 Jul 2006 15:42:06 -0500, "Fred Liken"
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>"Blig Merk" <> wrote in message
>
>> BenQ, LG, Phillips and Panasonic all have Blu-ray burner PC drives,
>> already on the market or showing up next month for less than $1000.
>> Both the Sony Vaio laptop and desktop have dual layer Blu-ray burners.
>
>Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.
>
You will NEVER be able to burn a disc that carries the full
resolution or original bit stream as the source. Bit for bit recording
goes away with these new technologies.

Don't believe me? Good luck.

On 17 Jul 2006 18:32:07 -0500, "Fred Liken"
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>"Doug Jacobs" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Doug Jacobs <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.
>>
>> Darnit, my finger slipped.
>
>I just figured you QFT.

He was talking about his left hand. :-]
>
>> Anyways, I was going to say aren't the players supposed to already support
>> BR-R?
>
>Dunno. I did read the DRM had been hacked, though, I think.

Phat Bytestard wrote:
> On 17 Jul 2006 15:42:06 -0500, "Fred Liken"
> <> Gave us:
>
> >"Blig Merk" <> wrote in message
> >
> >> BenQ, LG, Phillips and Panasonic all have Blu-ray burner PC drives,
> >> already on the market or showing up next month for less than $1000.
> >> Both the Sony Vaio laptop and desktop have dual layer Blu-ray burners.
> >
> >Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.
> >
> You will NEVER be able to burn a disc that carries the full
> resolution or original bit stream as the source. Bit for bit recording
> goes away with these new technologies.
>
> Don't believe me? Good luck.

I am betting Blu-Ray gets cracked by 2008, and by cracked, I mean
people are able to rip high-definition films to their hard drive and
play them on their PC or stream them to a media device in the living
room in high def.

Knight37

Phat Bytestard wrote:
> On 17 Jul 2006 15:42:06 -0500, "Fred Liken"
> <> Gave us:
>
> >"Blig Merk" <> wrote in message
> >
> >> BenQ, LG, Phillips and Panasonic all have Blu-ray burner PC drives,
> >> already on the market or showing up next month for less than $1000.
> >> Both the Sony Vaio laptop and desktop have dual layer Blu-ray burners.
> >
> >Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.
> >
> You will NEVER be able to burn a disc that carries the full
> resolution or original bit stream as the source. Bit for bit recording
> goes away with these new technologies.
>
> Don't believe me? Good luck.

BluRay (or HDDVD) becomes interesting as soon as there is a player that
can play burned content. If i could reauthor from DVDs and make a
15GB DVD then I would be interested... not at the $1000 price point,
but interested. Additionally, if there's a DivX player that reads
Bluray media, again, more interested. And if it reads h.264....

-goro-

On 18 Jul 2006 13:35:57 -0700, "knight37" <> Gave
us:

>Phat Bytestard wrote:
>> On 17 Jul 2006 15:42:06 -0500, "Fred Liken"
>> <> Gave us:
>>
>> >"Blig Merk" <> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> BenQ, LG, Phillips and Panasonic all have Blu-ray burner PC drives,
>> >> already on the market or showing up next month for less than $1000.
>> >> Both the Sony Vaio laptop and desktop have dual layer Blu-ray burners.
>> >
>> >Unless you can use those for piracy, it's moot for the video end.
>> >
>> You will NEVER be able to burn a disc that carries the full
>> resolution or original bit stream as the source. Bit for bit recording
>> goes away with these new technologies.
>>
>> Don't believe me? Good luck.
>
>I am betting Blu-Ray gets cracked by 2008, and by cracked, I mean
>people are able to rip high-definition films to their hard drive and
>play them on their PC or stream them to a media device in the living
>room in high def.
>

You obviously have little knowledge of encryption.

The HD realm will never be cracked.

Take satellite TV for an example. First series (just like DVD) was
cracked, and there were hacked receivers all over the country.

Then, VideoCypher I, and VideoCypher II came out. Neither have as
yet been cracked. THEN, DigiCypher I and DigiCypher II came out, and
they won't ever get cracked either.

Now, HD DVD has taken on many of the same methodologies, and your
lame attempts at cracking it won't happen, and won't work even if you
could crack a single disc. There is more than one key.

You won't be getting any of them, however.