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"Telephoneman" <>
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> "Ivor Jones" <> wrote in message
> news:...

[snip]

> > Not always the case, it depends on the VoIP provider.
> > Sipgate for one do not list numbers in any directory,
> > they say it is for regulatory reasons, but not sure
> > what they mean by that..!
>
> AFAIK if you are a UK Company issuing numbers to UK
> customers it is a regulatory requirement that you must
> offer the facility of entry into the UK phone directory
> for those that request it.

Sipgate are not a UK company. In any case, the directory is if I am
correct, compiled and maintained by BT, are you sure they are obliged to
insert the numbers of customers who are their direct competitors..?

Could you quote the source of your information, please..? This is not a
criticism, I am genuinely interested.


Ivor

"Jono" <> wrote
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news: yonder.com.co.uk

[snip]

> Fastest finger first!

???

Ivor

Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> "Telephoneman" <>
> wrote in message
> news:4495bdf6$0$4385$
>> "Ivor Jones" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Not always the case, it depends on the VoIP provider.
>>> Sipgate for one do not list numbers in any directory,
>>> they say it is for regulatory reasons, but not sure
>>> what they mean by that..!
>>
>> AFAIK if you are a UK Company issuing numbers to UK
>> customers it is a regulatory requirement that you must
>> offer the facility of entry into the UK phone directory
>> for those that request it.
>
> Sipgate are not a UK company. In any case, the directory is if I am
> correct, compiled and maintained by BT, are you sure they are obliged
> to insert the numbers of customers who are their direct competitors..?
>
> Could you quote the source of your information, please..? This is not
> a criticism, I am genuinely interested.
>
>
> Ivor

They have always listed telephone numbers of those on cable, unless you
asked not to be listed.

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:05:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<> wrote:


>Sipgate are not a UK company.
This is plainly obvious by the total crap service they provide to
customers.

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Telephoneman" <>
> wrote in message
>> AFAIK if you are a UK Company issuing numbers to UK
>> customers it is a regulatory requirement that you must
>> offer the facility of entry into the UK phone directory
>> for those that request it.
>
> Sipgate are not a UK company. In any case, the directory is if I am
> correct, compiled and maintained by BT, are you sure they are obliged to
> insert the numbers of customers who are their direct competitors..?

BT are required to allow other operators to have entries added to the
OSIS database which is used for Directory Enquiries. The wholesale
provider for Sipgate (i.e. the company providing PSTN-interconnect)
should be able to add numbers to OSIS if asked.

Whether Sipgate are offered this service or whether they choose to offer
it to their users are different matters.

"Paul Cupis" <> wrote in message
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> BT are required to allow other operators to have entries
> added to the OSIS database which is used for Directory
> Enquiries. The wholesale provider for Sipgate (i.e. the
> company providing PSTN-interconnect) should be able to
> add numbers to OSIS if asked.
>
> Whether Sipgate are offered this service or whether they
> choose to offer it to their users are different matters.

They state on their website it is not possible to add numbers to the
directory for "regulatory reasons" but no more detail is given. Maybe it
is something to do with German law..?

Ivor

<> wrote in message
news:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:05:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <> wrote:
>
>
> > Sipgate are not a UK company.

> This is plainly obvious by the total crap service they
> provide to customers.

I'm not opening up that particular can of worms again, but I am curious as
to what a company's country of origin has to do with their ability to
provide a service..?

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <> wrote in message
> news:e74pug$atl$
>
>> BT are required to allow other operators to have entries
>> added to the OSIS database which is used for Directory
>> Enquiries. The wholesale provider for Sipgate (i.e. the
>> company providing PSTN-interconnect) should be able to
>> add numbers to OSIS if asked.
>>
>> Whether Sipgate are offered this service or whether they
>> choose to offer it to their users are different matters.
>
> They state on their website it is not possible to add numbers to the
> directory for "regulatory reasons" but no more detail is given. Maybe it
> is something to do with German law..?

Maybe it is, but it is not anything to do with UK regulation AFAICS.

John F Kappler wrote:
> This may not be the right place for this question but I'll try
> anyway....
>
> My VOIP SP offers me a local code number for incoming calls. Will I
> get a BT directory entry with that number?

Yes, that is possible, but usually depends on the SP.

cheers
peter

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wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:05:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <> wrote:
>
>
>> Sipgate are not a UK company.
> This is plainly obvious by the total crap service they provide to
> customers.
>
>
>
Is there any need for this? They offer a service, if you dont like it,
get over it. There are many happy customers using the service i'm sure!