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Dear all,

One questin comes to my mind quite often actually tose past days becasue I
plan to change my job.
I was wonderaing what type of job an MCSD is suppose to to to put in
practise all what he has leraned.

Is it pure developper of differrent type of application or more finding and
implementing existing Microsft tool to develop or implement a solution ?

I ask you this becasue for me idea I get is that I was planing to fine a
jobe on development side, Window, Web, security or whatever and recently I go
to an interview where the compny required my service for implementing a CRM
solution in a customer.

But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
configuration.

So what kind of job role I should go with such certificication ?

thanks to clear my mind

regards
Serge

From: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcad/compare.asp
<quote>
Choose the MCSD credential if you:

* Analyze and design leading-edge enterprise solutions with
Microsoft development tools, technologies, and platforms.
* Have at least two years of experience in a lead developer role
analyzing business and technical requirements, and defining solution
architecture.

The MCSD credential is one of the most widely recognized technical
certifications in the industry. By earning the premier MCSD for .NET
credential, individuals demonstrate that they have the skills necessary
to lead organizations in the successful design, implementation, and
administration of business solutions with Microsoft products.

Related job titles: software engineer, software development engineer,
software architect, and consultant.
</quote>

Of course, if you plan on developing .NET 2.0
web/windows/distributed/whatever applications then forget MCAD/MCSD and
look at the new MCPD certifications.

> But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> configuration.
Urm, somebody (more likely a team) needs to develop the CRM solution in
the first place A job developing CRM software is not the worst job
to have.

Regards,
Andy

serge calderara wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> One questin comes to my mind quite often actually tose past days becasue I
> plan to change my job.
> I was wonderaing what type of job an MCSD is suppose to to to put in
> practise all what he has leraned.
>
> Is it pure developper of differrent type of application or more finding and
> implementing existing Microsft tool to develop or implement a solution ?
>
> I ask you this becasue for me idea I get is that I was planing to fine a
> jobe on development side, Window, Web, security or whatever and recently I go
> to an interview where the compny required my service for implementing a CRM
> solution in a customer.
>
> But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> configuration.
>
> So what kind of job role I should go with such certificication ?
>
> thanks to clear my mind
>
> regards
> Serge

Thnaks for your reply..
AS you may know, hen you get any kind of training, whatever the training or
knowledge you have , in case you are not practiciing or have the opportunity
to pratice then your full effort will be useless.
hat I am looking for is an opportunity job to perform tasks that I have been
certified
for. Based on that I do not know so well wht is the market on this kind of
stuff in the sense that does company are aware of getting MCSD person to
build tools and software or do they uch more refer to use existing tool and
then role base is more integrator. I am more convinced on second point as
developmenet cost..

Wht is your opinion on the actuall marke, some say everybody get concentrate
on CRM, will be the next demand but.....is it really a good start for na
MCSD..

thnaks for your comment

regard
serge
"CaffieneRush" wrote:

> From: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcad/compare.asp
> <quote>
> Choose the MCSD credential if you:
>
> * Analyze and design leading-edge enterprise solutions with
> Microsoft development tools, technologies, and platforms.
> * Have at least two years of experience in a lead developer role
> analyzing business and technical requirements, and defining solution
> architecture.
>
> The MCSD credential is one of the most widely recognized technical
> certifications in the industry. By earning the premier MCSD for .NET
> credential, individuals demonstrate that they have the skills necessary
> to lead organizations in the successful design, implementation, and
> administration of business solutions with Microsoft products.
>
> Related job titles: software engineer, software development engineer,
> software architect, and consultant.
> </quote>
>
> Of course, if you plan on developing .NET 2.0
> web/windows/distributed/whatever applications then forget MCAD/MCSD and
> look at the new MCPD certifications.
>
> > But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> > configuration.
> Urm, somebody (more likely a team) needs to develop the CRM solution in
> the first place A job developing CRM software is not the worst job
> to have.
>
> Regards,
> Andy
>
> serge calderara wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > One questin comes to my mind quite often actually tose past days becasue I
> > plan to change my job.
> > I was wonderaing what type of job an MCSD is suppose to to to put in
> > practise all what he has leraned.
> >
> > Is it pure developper of differrent type of application or more finding and
> > implementing existing Microsft tool to develop or implement a solution ?
> >
> > I ask you this becasue for me idea I get is that I was planing to fine a
> > jobe on development side, Window, Web, security or whatever and recently I go
> > to an interview where the compny required my service for implementing a CRM
> > solution in a customer.
> >
> > But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> > configuration.
> >
> > So what kind of job role I should go with such certificication ?
> >
> > thanks to clear my mind
> >
> > regards
> > Serge
>
>

It is all about expectations. The MCSD is the top developer's
certification in MS technologies (MCPD:EAD is the top developer cert
for .Net 2.0 technologies). So the person holding a MCSD would already
have a job in software development or expect to look for a job in
development.
A company recruiting for a more senior developer in MS tech might add a
requirement like "having MCSD is useful or having MCSD is essential" in
the expectation of hiring a developer that is competent in MS
technologies.

Of course, there is nothing stopping a company looking for IT
professionals recruiting a MCSD...

If you are convinced that there is more of a future in integration
rather than development then go for MCSE or the new MCITP certification
track. My wife's a database administrator on the MCDBA/MCSE
certification track but she also build software tools (automation,
monitoring, etc) using perl or VB to help her administer her company's
systems.
Just because she is doing some occasional programming doesn't mean she
want to get a MCSD.

Andy

serge calderara wrote:
> Thnaks for your reply..
> AS you may know, hen you get any kind of training, whatever the training or
> knowledge you have , in case you are not practiciing or have the opportunity
> to pratice then your full effort will be useless.
> hat I am looking for is an opportunity job to perform tasks that I have been
> certified
> for. Based on that I do not know so well wht is the market on this kind of
> stuff in the sense that does company are aware of getting MCSD person to
> build tools and software or do they uch more refer to use existing tool and
> then role base is more integrator. I am more convinced on second point as
> developmenet cost..
>
> Wht is your opinion on the actuall marke, some say everybody get concentrate
> on CRM, will be the next demand but.....is it really a good start for na
> MCSD..
>
> thnaks for your comment
>
> regard
> serge
> "CaffieneRush" wrote:
>
> > From: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcad/compare.asp
> > <quote>
> > Choose the MCSD credential if you:
> >
> > * Analyze and design leading-edge enterprise solutions with
> > Microsoft development tools, technologies, and platforms.
> > * Have at least two years of experience in a lead developer role
> > analyzing business and technical requirements, and defining solution
> > architecture.
> >
> > The MCSD credential is one of the most widely recognized technical
> > certifications in the industry. By earning the premier MCSD for .NET
> > credential, individuals demonstrate that they have the skills necessary
> > to lead organizations in the successful design, implementation, and
> > administration of business solutions with Microsoft products.
> >
> > Related job titles: software engineer, software development engineer,
> > software architect, and consultant.
> > </quote>
> >
> > Of course, if you plan on developing .NET 2.0
> > web/windows/distributed/whatever applications then forget MCAD/MCSD and
> > look at the new MCPD certifications.
> >
> > > But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> > > configuration.
> > Urm, somebody (more likely a team) needs to develop the CRM solution in
> > the first place A job developing CRM software is not the worst job
> > to have.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andy
> >
> > serge calderara wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > One questin comes to my mind quite often actually tose past days becasue I
> > > plan to change my job.
> > > I was wonderaing what type of job an MCSD is suppose to to to put in
> > > practise all what he has leraned.
> > >
> > > Is it pure developper of differrent type of application or more finding and
> > > implementing existing Microsft tool to develop or implement a solution ?
> > >
> > > I ask you this becasue for me idea I get is that I was planing to fine a
> > > jobe on development side, Window, Web, security or whatever and recently I go
> > > to an interview where the compny required my service for implementing a CRM
> > > solution in a customer.
> > >
> > > But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> > > configuration.
> > >
> > > So what kind of job role I should go with such certificication ?
> > >
> > > thanks to clear my mind
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Serge
> >
> >

Right on!!

Usually, MCSDs are working as developer or similar already. Without working
exp, MCSD is only good for firing fires at local M$.
The funny thing is that even you have MCSD and exp, but you end up a
networking administrator in a big company.

cheers,
Egghead


"CaffieneRush" <> wrote in message
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> It is all about expectations. The MCSD is the top developer's
> certification in MS technologies (MCPD:EAD is the top developer cert
> for .Net 2.0 technologies). So the person holding a MCSD would already
> have a job in software development or expect to look for a job in
> development.
> A company recruiting for a more senior developer in MS tech might add a
> requirement like "having MCSD is useful or having MCSD is essential" in
> the expectation of hiring a developer that is competent in MS
> technologies.
>
> Of course, there is nothing stopping a company looking for IT
> professionals recruiting a MCSD...
>
> If you are convinced that there is more of a future in integration
> rather than development then go for MCSE or the new MCITP certification
> track. My wife's a database administrator on the MCDBA/MCSE
> certification track but she also build software tools (automation,
> monitoring, etc) using perl or VB to help her administer her company's
> systems.
> Just because she is doing some occasional programming doesn't mean she
> want to get a MCSD.
>
> Andy
>
> serge calderara wrote:
>> Thnaks for your reply..
>> AS you may know, hen you get any kind of training, whatever the training
>> or
>> knowledge you have , in case you are not practiciing or have the
>> opportunity
>> to pratice then your full effort will be useless.
>> hat I am looking for is an opportunity job to perform tasks that I have
>> been
>> certified
>> for. Based on that I do not know so well wht is the market on this kind
>> of
>> stuff in the sense that does company are aware of getting MCSD person to
>> build tools and software or do they uch more refer to use existing tool
>> and
>> then role base is more integrator. I am more convinced on second point as
>> developmenet cost..
>>
>> Wht is your opinion on the actuall marke, some say everybody get
>> concentrate
>> on CRM, will be the next demand but.....is it really a good start for na
>> MCSD..
>>
>> thnaks for your comment
>>
>> regard
>> serge
>> "CaffieneRush" wrote:
>>
>> > From: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcad/compare.asp
>> > <quote>
>> > Choose the MCSD credential if you:
>> >
>> > * Analyze and design leading-edge enterprise solutions with
>> > Microsoft development tools, technologies, and platforms.
>> > * Have at least two years of experience in a lead developer role
>> > analyzing business and technical requirements, and defining solution
>> > architecture.
>> >
>> > The MCSD credential is one of the most widely recognized technical
>> > certifications in the industry. By earning the premier MCSD for .NET
>> > credential, individuals demonstrate that they have the skills necessary
>> > to lead organizations in the successful design, implementation, and
>> > administration of business solutions with Microsoft products.
>> >
>> > Related job titles: software engineer, software development engineer,
>> > software architect, and consultant.
>> > </quote>
>> >
>> > Of course, if you plan on developing .NET 2.0
>> > web/windows/distributed/whatever applications then forget MCAD/MCSD and
>> > look at the new MCPD certifications.
>> >
>> > > But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
>> > > configuration.
>> > Urm, somebody (more likely a team) needs to develop the CRM solution in
>> > the first place A job developing CRM software is not the worst job
>> > to have.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > serge calderara wrote:
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > One questin comes to my mind quite often actually tose past days
>> > > becasue I
>> > > plan to change my job.
>> > > I was wonderaing what type of job an MCSD is suppose to to to put in
>> > > practise all what he has leraned.
>> > >
>> > > Is it pure developper of differrent type of application or more
>> > > finding and
>> > > implementing existing Microsft tool to develop or implement a
>> > > solution ?
>> > >
>> > > I ask you this becasue for me idea I get is that I was planing to
>> > > fine a
>> > > jobe on development side, Window, Web, security or whatever and
>> > > recently I go
>> > > to an interview where the compny required my service for implementing
>> > > a CRM
>> > > solution in a customer.
>> > >
>> > > But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
>> > > configuration.
>> > >
>> > > So what kind of job role I should go with such certificication ?
>> > >
>> > > thanks to clear my mind
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > > Serge
>> >
>> >
>

You should be asking yourself "What type of company do I want to work for?".
Rather than "What job can I get with MCSD?".

Once you have found the answer to the first, we might (or you might) be able
to work out which track is good for you.

For example, I have just accepted a new job in London working for a
Consultancy delivering Microsoft solutions. This is quite a change from my
current role working for a Software House after many years who develop a
single product which includes integration (MS CRM 3.0 integration I have
just finished) among other stuff.

For me, Consultancy is where I want to be, working with customers delivering
solutions purely for them rather than working on a code base.

Once you figure out the answer to question 1, you are half way there.

Good luck on your travels!
Simon.

"serge calderara" <> wrote in
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> Dear all,
>
> One questin comes to my mind quite often actually tose past days becasue I
> plan to change my job.
> I was wonderaing what type of job an MCSD is suppose to to to put in
> practise all what he has leraned.
>
> Is it pure developper of differrent type of application or more finding
> and
> implementing existing Microsft tool to develop or implement a solution ?
>
> I ask you this becasue for me idea I get is that I was planing to fine a
> jobe on development side, Window, Web, security or whatever and recently I
> go
> to an interview where the compny required my service for implementing a
> CRM
> solution in a customer.
>
> But CRM is not really developemnt but more tools integration and
> configuration.
>
> So what kind of job role I should go with such certificication ?
>
> thanks to clear my mind
>
> regards
> Serge

Simon Hart wrote:
> For me, Consultancy is where I want to be, working with customers delivering
> solutions purely for them rather than working on a code base.

If you don't mind, Simon, could you elaborate on what your job as a
Consultant will involve... Sounds like a good option to consider for
myself too.

Sure Cerebrus, It involves delivering custom solutions based on customers
requirements. Often work is carried out at the customers site and any source
code written belongs to the customer not the consultancy. So when you leave,
you leave the code behind. Although there are some exceptions to this rule.

In some cases you work with the in-house team of developers on-site to solve
a problem. This maybe because the customer does not have the nessessary
skills to do the job and requires the consultancy to "hand-hold" and mentor
the customers employees. The type of solution varies greatly. Microsoft
themselfs has a consultancy arm in most countries. They tend to solve very
large complex problems. For example getting data from a DB2 database running
on a IBM mainframe and exposing this data via a web service which then can
be scaled and accessed anywhere in the world via a rich Windows client or
smart device front end to is typically something they would do. Bear in mind
many large banks and blue chip companies still have old mainframe super
computers with old COBOL batch procedural programs that they still use today
and want to re-use this legacy code rather than throw it away.

One of my recent projects was to develop an ASP.NET portal that integrates
to a COM+ server backend that wraps unmanged COBOL legacy business rules. It
had to be fully integrated and scallable. I love these types of projects!
very challenging. As I did in the first place years ago refactor the legacy
monalithic COBOL business rules and wrap them via COM+ componenets so they
could be re-used via Windows MFC etc. Now the same COM+ components have a
web service wrapper to enable new technologies to access them via the
internet without domain trust and scalabilty issues.

Sorry for going on and on .... but I love talking about this stuff. The
newsgroups never discuss solutions, rather technical issues with elements.

Regards
Simon.

"Cerebrus" <> wrote in message
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>
> Simon Hart wrote:
>> For me, Consultancy is where I want to be, working with customers
>> delivering
>> solutions purely for them rather than working on a code base.
>
> If you don't mind, Simon, could you elaborate on what your job as a
> Consultant will involve... Sounds like a good option to consider for
> myself too.
>