Re: Microsoft win2k and XP , hidden & Temp files and such. Cache, URLS, ERASE , PURGE

"Jelly" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> I read all this CACHE CLEAN stuff, here and wonder about all this
> worry and such.
> First off.
> If you are doing something illegal on your computer , your efforts to
> remove it will be wasted.
> You run your cleaner ( 500 titles, on FileGeek.com last look)
> Run HistoryKill or Cookie and Cache killer programs and they will kill
> the user.dat file
> or at least attempt it and on reboot try again.
> The reason it is hard to kill is because WINDOWS has this file locked.
> If windows can't own its locked files , then your silly GUI goes dead.
> BY DESIGN !
>
>
> Lets say you have a new 80gig hard drive. ( you poor devil)
> Now in order to clean your TRACKS, you must find all these files and
> delete them.
> This will keep you busy most the day. I feel your pain.
>
> Ah, but deleting does, not delete files, ( it only Marks them as
> deleted,with full content).
> Well, you then must delete them or better use Norton Military file
> WIPE.
> this will erase it 7 times with many file patterns. 0xAA , 0xFF , 00
> , 0xfF ,etc.
> Another day wasted. I assume you emptied your waste basket at each
> delete.
>
> If you really do something illegal and your hard drive ends up at the
> FBI, they have
> special harddrive analysist systems with special analog heads that can
> read your platters.
> This is called ghost domain reading. If you are a Kiddy Porn seller ,
> you should wake up.
> The FBI will find you. Thank God, for the FBI.
>
> Now if all you are doing, is trying to protect MOM from seeing your
> porn, then run Windows Washer 48 (latest) and pray it does a good job.
> If this is not enough, then search out all the files mentioned in this
> GROUP and delete them.
>
> I see people wondering why the Cache folders are random names,
> It is says right in the MS OS eng. documentation on line , that this
> is, to make it hard for damn crackers, that have already broken into
> your system ,figure out what cache belongs, to whom.
> Etc.
>
> It is just low level protection that MS is using here, not some
> Communist threat.
> Just giving you a little protection, because you forgot, what a fire
> wall, is all about.
> The hiding is not for you honest people, it is for the CROOKS !
> Just speed bumps for the Cracker, nothing less.
> Keep an open mind and remember computers have many I/O points of
> interface.
>
> Here is a list of protection steps:
> Delete your files ( per this massive group list , USER.dat ,etc, etc)
> then ERASE and do a MIL. Spec WIPE FILE on all deleted files and all
> empty space.
> After all, empty space was your files,at one time ( you cant prove it
> wasnt ,if you run Defrag , like a good computer geek).
>
> Now wipe all Empty space.
> Now wipe all SLACK space. ( tricky this is ,but it is real and has
> your links in it !!)
> Now wipe your PAGE FILE. ( this is fun and tricky all rolled into
> one.)
>
> Now last, if you sell your computer, run Norton Wipe Disk or
> take your computer hard disk apart, remove the platter and
> and then rub a rare earth high power magnet over every inch of every
> platter top and bottom.
> then throw this sucker off the nearest bridge at 3am. ( ours is 300 to
> 600 feet deep water)
> The magnet will saturate the domains in a very radical way. Way past
> what any Electronic MR heads can operate.
>
> Hard drives are very complex devices and It is very interesting about
> what goes on inside.
> Go to Seagate.com and read the engineering manuals. It is very good
> stuff.
>
> I might mention one more little trick ,
>
> Did you know that the hard drive , all by itself can find a bad
> sectors and replace it with a good ones. This is why we don't ever
> find bad sectors , these days. ( Did you notice this?)
>
> now I wonder what data ( of mine,yours) was on the bad sector, MURPHY
> says it is URL links and other incriminating , information that any
> tech or engineer can extract.
>
> Think ,then think again about using your computer to document any
> illegal activity.
> It is just a perfect plateform for the authorities to use against you.
>
> It is no different than the dumb idiots that wash blood off a carpet
> thinking ,gee they won't find that blood. ( you are fooling your
> self , if you think you can erase data, effectively).
> How ever my simple Magnet trick would be taxing to most ( readers).
>
> Have fun and stay clean.
>
>
> PS:
> I will now expain slack space , many? dont know what it is.
> (It is tricky and shows how easy it is to read peoples deleted
> information)
> I you have a letter to your mom that is 1.024 bytes long.(2 clusters)
> then you delete it .
> then some time later you create a new letter to dad from scratch.
> then this new file just happens to be a Cluster from the old letter
> from your mom , located in delete space ( delete = empty and available
> to the OS).
> Now this letter to dad is only 513 bytes long. ( uses 2 clusters,
> again)[ the same two, too )
> Now if you open this letter and look at it in a hex editor (or binary
> if you prefer) and look past the 513th byte or so , you (may) will see
> part of your old letter to mom. [ Isnt that precious?]
> this space , past the end of file maker is the slack space in a file
> record.
> Each HDD has its own rule for minimum cluster size and this is a
> constant on your system.
> It varies by HDD size. By Design.
>
> Yes, you can buy an editor that back fills slack space with 0's but
> most everything else does not, as it is wasteful of time.
> \
>
> Signed:
> Mr. Jelly of WA.
> I am a computer technician ( 1968 to present) and a retired test
> engineer , DRAM , EPROMS, gate arrays and Microprocessors. I used to
> work for Intel and Philips.
> This advice comes free and I hope it helps you all.

That was a really good read! thanks for posting

kraken

"kroesjnov" <> wrote in message
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> kraken wrote:
> > That was a really good read! thanks for posting
>
> Perhaps you care not to quote any text you do not reply to directly next
> time?
> tia
>
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In article <bhq9q0$gtq$>, kroesjnov
<> writes
>kraken wrote:
>> That was a really good read! thanks for posting
>
>Perhaps you care not to quote any text you do not reply to directly next
>time?
>tia
>
Your sig is too long
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tia

I was thinking the same thing. Most newbies to email and some oldbies have
this irritating habit.
They are prpbably unaware of it or don't care.

Eldridge

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From: "kroesjnov" <>
Newsgroups: misc.survivalism,alt.privacy,alt.computer.security
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft win2k and XP , hidden & Temp files and such. Cache,
URLS, ERASE , PURGE


> kraken wrote:

> Perhaps you care not to quote any text you do not reply to directly next
> time?
> tia

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