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I've been using Freetalk for a few months now. Currently I have a
cable modem with a 4meg connection, connected to that is a Netgear
router and connected to the Netgear are 3 PCs, a Playstation 2 and my
freetalk box.

It has all been working fine, although I have noticed that when the
internet is being heavily used (p2p, large downloads, gaming, etc) the
quality of the voip drops a little (nothing too serious), obviously
this is to be expected.

Reading through the Freetalk adapter instruction manual I came across
this:

"We strongly recommend that you connect your SVA-600 directly to your
broadband modem and connect your switch, router or access point to the
LAN port of your phone (SVA-600). The SVA-600 performs essential
Quality Of Service (QoS) function that allow for superior voice
quality; placing any other device between the SVA-600 and your
broadband modem, the trafic on your local area network may reduce the
quality of your VoIP phone calls."

So should I connect the Freetalk box between the cable modem and the
router? Will this cause any problems with the PCs being double NAT'd?
I don't run any servers at all, although I am concerned it may
interfere with things like p2p, MSN messenger video chat, etc. The PS2
games require port forwarding to be set up to work properly.

I've had a look at the Freetalk box's interface and it seems pretty
simple to configure. Would it be best to place my router in the
freetalk box's DMZ?

Or should I forget it and leave it the way it is?

Thanks

On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:13:32 GMT, Dave <> wrote:


>Or should I forget it and leave it the way it is?
If you are happy with the way it is why change we have our two FT
boxes connected direct into two ports on our 8 port router and have
no problems with anything .

On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:23:06 GMT, wrote:

>On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:13:32 GMT, Dave <> wrote:
>
>
>>Or should I forget it and leave it the way it is?
>If you are happy with the way it is why change we have our two FT
>boxes connected direct into two ports on our 8 port router and have
>no problems with anything .

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with it the way that it is, but I like
to "fine tune" stuff. OK so i like to tinker with stuff

It does work fine the way that it is but I like to think that if there
is any way the perfomance can be improved I should be doing it.

The only prablem with it is that if the internet connection breaks, it
is one more thing to have to troubleshoot.

On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:39:44 GMT, Dave <> wrote:

>Don't get me wrong, I am happy with it the way that it is, but I like
>to "fine tune" stuff. OK so i like to tinker with stuff
I had guessed you where a little tinker Dave ) I work on the
principal of "if it is working ok why fix it" !! .
>It does work fine the way that it is but I like to think that if there
>is any way the perfomance can be improved I should be doing it.
How can performance be improved if you are liking what you are
hearing ?? .
>The only prablem with it is that if the internet connection breaks, it
>is one more thing to have to troubleshoot.
Exactly so why mess around and make yourself more work but I suppose
that is what all tinkers have to do )))) .
Our FT accounts are being closed once we get to the end of the 12
months pre paid service because they will not allow you to sign up for
another 12 months and you have pay on a month by month basis .

On Tue, 30 May 2006 13:27:31 GMT, wrote:

>On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:39:44 GMT, Dave <> wrote:
>
>>Don't get me wrong, I am happy with it the way that it is, but I like
>>to "fine tune" stuff. OK so i like to tinker with stuff
>I had guessed you where a little tinker Dave ) I work on the
>principal of "if it is working ok why fix it" !! .
>>It does work fine the way that it is but I like to think that if there
>>is any way the perfomance can be improved I should be doing it.
>How can performance be improved if you are liking what you are
>hearing ?? .
>>The only prablem with it is that if the internet connection breaks, it
>>is one more thing to have to troubleshoot.
>Exactly so why mess around and make yourself more work but I suppose
>that is what all tinkers have to do )))) .
>Our FT accounts are being closed once we get to the end of the 12
>months pre paid service because they will not allow you to sign up for
>another 12 months and you have pay on a month by month basis .

I suppose I should just leave it the way it is, I was just worried
that if I ever maxed out my connection the call quality may suffer,
that's all.

I pay monthly anyway so the paying yearly is not really an issue to
me. It's still way cheaper than a BT line.

On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:01:52 GMT, Dave <> wrote:

>I pay monthly anyway so the paying yearly is not really an issue to
>me. It's still way cheaper than a BT line.
Without a doubt Dave and if you only need/want one line great but if
like me you just loved phones and phone lines many FT lines work out
expensive. We have no less than eight independent lines in here sorry
I lost count nine lines not eight )) and also feel the same about
old cars ( 4 at the moment )there is only so much money one can spend
on hobbies ))) . Mind you what I save on the cost of tobacco in a
year by going to Belgium for it ( reason for returning to rail travel)
runs the cars for me with a little to spare.

Recently, Dave popped out over the fence
around uk.telecom.voip and said...
|I've been using Freetalk for a few months now. Currently I have a
|cable modem with a 4meg connection, connected to that is a Netgear
|router and connected to the Netgear are 3 PCs, a Playstation 2 and my
|freetalk box.
|
|It has all been working fine, although I have noticed that when the
|internet is being heavily used (p2p, large downloads, gaming, etc) the
|quality of the voip drops a little (nothing too serious), obviously
|this is to be expected.
|
|Reading through the Freetalk adapter instruction manual I came across
|this:
|
|"We strongly recommend that you connect your SVA-600 directly to your
|broadband modem and connect your switch, router or access point to the
|LAN port of your phone (SVA-600). The SVA-600 performs essential
|Quality Of Service (QoS) function that allow for superior voice
|quality; placing any other device between the SVA-600 and your
|broadband modem, the trafic on your local area network may reduce the
|quality of your VoIP phone calls."
|
|So should I connect the Freetalk box between the cable modem and the
|router? Will this cause any problems with the PCs being double NAT'd?
|I don't run any servers at all, although I am concerned it may
|interfere with things like p2p, MSN messenger video chat, etc. The PS2
|games require port forwarding to be set up to work properly.
|
|I've had a look at the Freetalk box's interface and it seems pretty
|simple to configure. Would it be best to place my router in the
|freetalk box's DMZ?
|
|Or should I forget it and leave it the way it is?
|
|Thanks
|
If your router can be set to obey QOS parameters and priorities, leave
it as it is.
The suggested setup in the Freetalk manual is for dumb users who don't
know how to setup a router, so Freetalk customer service does not have
to deal with complaints about poor service quality.
Yes, if you set it up as they suggest the VoIP calls will be prioritized
but - as you already spotted out - the rest of the network can be
affected by lags, and some applications will suffer - or stop working at
all - with multiple NAT and/or PAT.
If it ain't broken...

--
ßødincµs²°°° - The Y2K Druid

On Wed, 31 May 2006 00:00:31 GMT, ßødincµs²°°° <>
wrote:

>Recently, Dave popped out over the fence
>around uk.telecom.voip and said...
>|I've been using Freetalk for a few months now. Currently I have a
>|cable modem with a 4meg connection, connected to that is a Netgear
>|router and connected to the Netgear are 3 PCs, a Playstation 2 and my
>|freetalk box.
>|

>|
>|Thanks
>|
>If your router can be set to obey QOS parameters and priorities, leave
>it as it is.
>The suggested setup in the Freetalk manual is for dumb users who don't
>know how to setup a router, so Freetalk customer service does not have
>to deal with complaints about poor service quality.
>Yes, if you set it up as they suggest the VoIP calls will be prioritized
>but - as you already spotted out - the rest of the network can be
>affected by lags, and some applications will suffer - or stop working at
>all - with multiple NAT and/or PAT.
>If it ain't broken...

That's the thing, my router doesn't support QoS at all. Although, I
think if 2 devices try to access the net at the same time they are
given an equal chance.

For test purposes, last night I maxed out my downstream connection
and made a call at the same time and the call quality was still good.

However, when I went into the interface for the freetalk box and had a
look at the stats for the test call the jitter rate was a lot higher..

Call with no other devices turned on:
Jitter average: 3 ms
Jitter maximum: 34 ms

Test call with download maxed out:
Jitter average: 12 ms
Jitter maximum: 101 ms

To be honest, the quality was still good and I didn't really notice a
difference. Not sure how it would be if the upstream was maxed out
too, but this will rarely happen so I think I'll leave it alone for
the time being.

[Wilson_G]

Originally Posted by Dave

I've been using Freetalk for a few months now. Currently I have a
cable modem with a 4meg connection, connected to that is a Netgear
router and connected to the Netgear are..........................
Thanks

I see someone use the NETGEAR ROUTER and I need help to fidn out why I can not see the FREETALK icon when I go to My Network Places.

My router is modelWGR614 v7 and I set it up with the CD rm that came with it.

I am really a beginner with Routers and cannot figure out why as pr the instruction on: http://www.freetalkconnect.com/insta...#frame15-winXP I cannot not get step .

I am doing aomething that cannot be done because my Time Warner moddm has only one port and that goes to the NETGEAR Router and my FreeTalk is connected to the router?
Please help, Wilson