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Does anybody here have any input on how to start learning C++. I am
hoping nobody tells me to take courses. I am still in college and
tried taking courses but found that all the details about pseudocode
and other programming basics drove me insane. I think after taking
that course and from general knowledge I have picked up I am pretty
familiar with the way programs are built on a basic level at least. I
am not looking to make a career of programming, I simply want
familiarity with such languages as C++ because it can help in many IT
jobs to be able to throw together small programs. This is why I am
also interested in VB and curious about any other languages that can
be useful. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read this and
I hope I get some answers.

-- Ari Winokur

ari_winokur at comcast dot net

"Ari W." <> wrote in message
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> Does anybody here have any input on how to start learning C++. I am
> hoping nobody tells me to take courses. I am still in college and
> tried taking courses but found that all the details about pseudocode
> and other programming basics drove me insane. I think after taking
> that course and from general knowledge I have picked up I am pretty
> familiar with the way programs are built on a basic level at least. I
> am not looking to make a career of programming, I simply want
> familiarity with such languages as C++ because it can help in many IT
> jobs to be able to throw together small programs. This is why I am
> also interested in VB and curious about any other languages that can
> be useful. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read this and
> I hope I get some answers.
>

I don't think C++ is a suitable language for throwing together small
programs. Its a difficult language to master and unless you are prepared to
study hard and use it a lot its not going to repay any investment you make.
VB, C# and Java all sound more suitable for what you want to do. Perhaps
even better would be scripting languages such as Python and Ruby, but I
don't know much about those.

Everyone learns in a different way, so if course ain't your thing then maybe
you need a good book and some self study. Tools (e.g. compilers) for many
languages are free. And of course the internet is a great resource for
reference and specific problems, just don't expect to learn a language from
a web site.

John

"Ari W." <> wrote in message
news: om...
> Does anybody here have any input on how to start learning C++. I am
> hoping nobody tells me to take courses. I am still in college and
> tried taking courses but found that all the details about pseudocode
> and other programming basics drove me insane. I think after taking
> that course and from general knowledge I have picked up I am pretty
> familiar with the way programs are built on a basic level at least. I
> am not looking to make a career of programming, I simply want
> familiarity with such languages as C++ because it can help in many IT
> jobs to be able to throw together small programs. This is why I am
> also interested in VB and curious about any other languages that can
> be useful. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read this and
> I hope I get some answers.

See my reply to this same question you posted to
'alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++.

Also, if you want to post the same message to more than
one group, don't post them separately, crosspost them.
(Look this stuff up if you don't understand what I mean).

-Mike

Ari W. wrote:
> Does anybody here have any input on how to start learning C++. I am
> hoping nobody tells me to take courses. I am still in college and
> tried taking courses but found that all the details about pseudocode
> and other programming basics drove me insane. I think after taking
> that course and from general knowledge I have picked up I am pretty
> familiar with the way programs are built on a basic level at least. I
> am not looking to make a career of programming, I simply want
> familiarity with such languages as C++ because it can help in many IT
> jobs to be able to throw together small programs. This is why I am
> also interested in VB and curious about any other languages that can
> be useful. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read this and
> I hope I get some answers.
>
> -- Ari Winokur
>
> ari_winokur at comcast dot net

Use your favorite newsgroup search engine and search for
the key word "learning". I am sure that you find that
this question has been asked, a lot, lately.

By the way, the preferred method to resolving issues
is to consult the FAQ first, the welcome.txt and then
search the newsgroups and web. I've found many answers
using that protocol.

--
Thomas Matthews

C++ newsgroup welcome message:
http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite
C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
http://www.comeaucomputing.com/learn/faq/
Other sites:
http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book

Ari W. wrote:

> Does anybody here have any input on how to start learning C++. I am
> hoping nobody tells me to take courses. I am still in college and
> tried taking courses but found that all the details about pseudocode
> and other programming basics drove me insane. I think after taking
> that course and from general knowledge I have picked up I am pretty
> familiar with the way programs are built on a basic level at least. I
> am not looking to make a career of programming, I simply want
> familiarity with such languages as C++ because it can help in many IT
> jobs to be able to throw together small programs. This is why I am
> also interested in VB and curious about any other languages that can
> be useful. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read this and
> I hope I get some answers.


http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys/learningcpp.htm



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Ioannis Vranos

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In article <>,
says...
> VB, C# and Java all sound more suitable for what you want to do. Perhaps
> even better would be scripting languages such as Python and Ruby, but I
> don't know much about those.

It all depends on the available documentation and environment.
If compatibility is not an issue, I would doubtless recommend Ruby. But
then he would possibly need the appropriate book at hand (Programming
Ruby by Thomas/Hunt avail. from AW). But online docu is also available.
Ruby is IMHO the most object-oriented scripting language and therefore a
good preparation for C++.
Also, it is very easy to read, which should help.

Michael B.

John Harrison wrote:

> I don't think C++ is a suitable language for throwing together small
> programs.


Here we go again.




> Its a difficult language to master and unless you are prepared to
> study hard and use it a lot its not going to repay any investment you make.
> VB, C# and Java all sound more suitable for what you want to do.


I think someone must tell you that you are telling crap. I know it
sounds harsh, but someone had to tell you the truth some day.





> Perhaps
> even better would be scripting languages such as Python and Ruby, but I
> don't know much about those.
>
> Everyone learns in a different way, so if course ain't your thing then maybe
> you need a good book and some self study. Tools (e.g. compilers) for many
> languages are free. And of course the internet is a great resource for
> reference and specific problems, just don't expect to learn a language from
> a web site.


Stop trolling.



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Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

Michael Bruschkewitz wrote:

> It all depends on the available documentation and environment.
> If compatibility is not an issue, I would doubtless recommend Ruby.


Right. He should let C++ to get on... Ruby.



> But
> then he would possibly need the appropriate book at hand (Programming
> Ruby by Thomas/Hunt avail. from AW). But online docu is also available.
> Ruby is IMHO the most object-oriented scripting language and therefore a
> good preparation for C++.
> Also, it is very easy to read, which should help.



Thank you for sharing your insight with us.



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Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys

>
>
> Stop trolling.
>

Just because you disagree with my opinions doesn't mean I was trolling.

john

John Harrison wrote:

> Just because you disagree with my opinions doesn't mean I was trolling.


One person asked how he can start learning C++ in comp.lang.c++, and
instead of providing some information on this you tell him to move to
C#, VB and Java (and 2 other idiots to Ruby).

That is trolling.



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Ioannis Vranos

http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys