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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to create
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit as an unmoderated world-wide Usenet
newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of Microsoft Windows 64-bit
programming. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at
this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion
should be crossposted to news.groups.

Newsgroup line:
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit Programming for 64-bit Microsoft Windows.

CHANGES from previous RFDs:
1. Typographical errors.
2. Addition of Intel Xeon (Nacona) processor.
3. Addition of on topic "any other discussions related to 64-bit windows
programming"
4. Change of name from comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win64
5. Limitations on crossposting.

RATIONALE: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

Microsoft Windows is the most common operating system in use on
computer desktops. For many years it has had a 32 bit API called
Win32. However, advances in processor technology mean that a new
64-bit version will soon be released. 64-bit Windows programming
is already taking place with pre-release Beta versions of the
operating system and compilers. There is a need for a Usenet group
that enables 64-bit specific programming issues to be discussed

Currently discussion happens on a variety of inappropriate groups,
such as comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32. There is also a private
(non-Usenet) Microsoft based news server which contains a group,
but which is not programming specific.

It should be noted that traffic would be expected to be fairly
slight at first, as 64bit windows programming is in its infancy.
However, it is very likely that considerable porting and new
programming effort will ramp up as 64-bit Windows is released,
requiring a newsgroup quickly. There can be no doubt that 64 bit
programming will be of great commercial importance very quickly.

CHARTER: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

The comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit newsgroup is for the
discussion of the following topic areas:
- The 64 bit Application Programming Interface
- Use of 64 bit Windows compatible compilers, assemblers and
programming tools
- Issues relating to programming of any 64-bit microprocessor
expected to work with 64-bit Windows, including AMD64/Opteron
and Intel Itanium/Xeon (Nacona and derivatives)
- Issues relating to 64-bit versions of any programming language
designed to work with 64-bit Windows
- Issues related to the porting of 32 bit software to the 64 bit
platform
- Any other discussions related to 64-bit Windows programming.

Posting of binary files is prohibited, with the exception of PGP
signatures and similar small binaries.

Infrequent posting of commercial information relating to 64 bit
programming tools and services is allowed. The same posting may
not be posted more often than monthly. Posting of commercial
information that is not strongly related to 64 bit Windows
programming tools or services is prohibited. In particular,
advertisments for computer hardware are not permitted.

When crossposting is used, it should be to no more than 3 additional
groups relevent to the discussion at hand.

END CHARTER.


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for
a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

This RFD may be distributed freely to other relevant newsgroups or
maillists, provided the followup line (to news.groups) is unaltered.
Note that discussion regarding this RFD should be conducted only in
news.groups.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.lang.c++
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

Proponent: Christian McArdle <>

FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

Newsgroups line:
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit Programming for 64bit Microsoft Windows.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Aug 2004.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Christian McArdle <>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <>

RATIONALE: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

Microsoft Windows is the most common operating system in use on
computer desktops. For many years it has had a 32-bit API called
Win32. However, advances in processor technology mean that a new
64-bit version will soon be released. 64-bit Windows programming
is already taking place with pre-release Beta versions of the
operating system and compilers. There is a need for a Usenet group
that enables 64-bit specific programming issues to be discussed

Currently discussion happens on a variety of inappropriate groups,
such as comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32. There is also a private
(non-Usenet) Microsoft based news server which contains a group,
but which is not programming specific.

It should be noted that traffic would be expected to be fairly
slight at first, as 64-bit windows programming is in its infancy.
However, it is very likely that considerable porting and new
programming effort will ramp up as 64-bit Windows is released,
requiring a newsgroup quickly. There can be no doubt that 64-bit
programming will be of great commercial importance very quickly.

CHARTER: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

The comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit newsgroup is for the
discussion of the following topic areas:
- The 64-bit Application Programming Interface
- Use of 64-bit Windows compatible compilers, assemblers and
programming tools
- Issues relating to programming of any 64-bit microprocessor
expected to work with 64-bit Windows, including AMD64/Opteron
and Intel Itanium/Xeon (Nacona and derivatives)
- Issues relating to 64-bit versions of any programming language
designed to work with 64-bit Windows
- Issues related to the porting of 32-bit software to the 64-bit
platform
- Any other discussions related to 64-bit Windows programming.

Posting of binary files is prohibited, with the exception of PGP
signatures and similar small binaries.

Infrequent posting of commercial information relating to 64-bit
programming tools and services is allowed. The same posting may
not be posted more often than monthly. Posting of commercial
information that is not strongly related to 64-bit Windows
programming tools or services is prohibited. In particular,
advertisements for computer hardware are not permitted.

When crossposting is used, it should be to no more than 3 additional
groups relevant to the discussion at hand.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.

PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived.

Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: <ms-64bit->
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ CANCEL ] example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days, contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.


======= BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line =======
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Official CFV Name: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit
| Usenet Voting Ballot [MS64B-77-1] (Do not remove this line!)
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.
| Established Usenet handles are also acceptable. Place ONLY your name
| (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information;
| ONLY your name) directly after the colon in "Voter name:" on the
| following line.
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Voter name:
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
|
| Your Vote Newsgroup
| --------- ---------
| [ ] comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit
|
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
======= END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ==============


IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no
more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from
the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes
are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered
to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters
will be published in the final voting results post.

DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of
a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would
read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties
defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups
moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker)
are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV.

Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is
generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to
the votetaker or the UVV <>. In cases where voting fraud
is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to
delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the
votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed
below, the UVV web site at http://www.uvv.org/, and the votetaker's e-mail
CFV server which can be reached at <ms-64bit-cfv->.

This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.lang.c++
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

A pointer directing readers to this CFV will be posted in the following
newsgroup:

microsoft.private.windowsserver_64bit (non Usenet)

LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

Newsgroups line:
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit Programming for 64bit Microsoft Windows.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Aug 2004.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Christian McArdle <>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <>

RATIONALE: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

Microsoft Windows is the most common operating system in use on
computer desktops. For many years it has had a 32-bit API called
Win32. However, advances in processor technology mean that a new
64-bit version will soon be released. 64-bit Windows programming
is already taking place with pre-release Beta versions of the
operating system and compilers. There is a need for a Usenet group
that enables 64-bit specific programming issues to be discussed

Currently discussion happens on a variety of inappropriate groups,
such as comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32. There is also a private
(non-Usenet) Microsoft based news server which contains a group,
but which is not programming specific.

It should be noted that traffic would be expected to be fairly
slight at first, as 64-bit windows programming is in its infancy.
However, it is very likely that considerable porting and new
programming effort will ramp up as 64-bit Windows is released,
requiring a newsgroup quickly. There can be no doubt that 64-bit
programming will be of great commercial importance very quickly.

CHARTER: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

The comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit newsgroup is for the
discussion of the following topic areas:
- The 64-bit Application Programming Interface
- Use of 64-bit Windows compatible compilers, assemblers and
programming tools
- Issues relating to programming of any 64-bit microprocessor
expected to work with 64-bit Windows, including AMD64/Opteron
and Intel Itanium/Xeon (Nacona and derivatives)
- Issues relating to 64-bit versions of any programming language
designed to work with 64-bit Windows
- Issues related to the porting of 32-bit software to the 64-bit
platform
- Any other discussions related to 64-bit Windows programming.

Posting of binary files is prohibited, with the exception of PGP
signatures and similar small binaries.

Infrequent posting of commercial information relating to 64-bit
programming tools and services is allowed. The same posting may
not be posted more often than monthly. Posting of commercial
information that is not strongly related to 64-bit Windows
programming tools or services is prohibited. In particular,
advertisements for computer hardware are not permitted.

When crossposting is used, it should be to no more than 3 additional
groups relevant to the discussion at hand.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.

PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived.

Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: <ms-64bit->
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ CANCEL ] example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
days, contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible
for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.


======= BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line =======
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Official CFV Name: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit
| Usenet Voting Ballot [MS64B-77-2] (Do not remove this line!)
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.
| Established Usenet handles are also acceptable. Place ONLY your name
| (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information;
| ONLY your name) directly after the colon in "Voter name:" on the
| following line.
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Voter name:
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
|
| Your Vote Newsgroup
| --------- ---------
| [ ] comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit
|
|----------------------------------------------------------------------
======= END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ==============


IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no
more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from
the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes
are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered
to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters
will be published in the final voting results post.

DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of
a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would
read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties
defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups
moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker)
are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV.

Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is
generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to
the votetaker or the UVV <>. In cases where voting fraud
is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to
delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the
votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed
below, the UVV web site at http://www.uvv.org/, and the votetaker's e-mail
CFV server which can be reached at <ms-64bit-cfv->.

This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.lang.c++
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

A pointer directing readers to this CFV will be posted in the following
newsgroup:

microsoft.private.windowsserver_64bit (non Usenet)

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit - Ack Bounce List
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No bounced acknowledgments at this time

RESULT
unmoderated group comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit fails 37:57

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Aug 2004.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Christian McArdle <>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <>

There were 94 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period. Each
proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at
least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit results - 94 valid (YES & NO) votes

Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
37 57 : No No : No : comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit
1 abstaining vote

The proposal failed.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are
raised, the proposal may not be voted on again for six months.

The remainder of the RESULT contains:
Newsgroups Line
Rationale
Charter
Final Voting Acknowledgements

NEWSGROUPS LINE:
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit Programming for 64bit Microsoft Windows.

RATIONALE: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

Microsoft Windows is the most common operating system in use on
computer desktops. For many years it has had a 32-bit API called
Win32. However, advances in processor technology mean that a new
64-bit version will soon be released. 64-bit Windows programming
is already taking place with pre-release Beta versions of the
operating system and compilers. There is a need for a Usenet group
that enables 64-bit specific programming issues to be discussed

Currently discussion happens on a variety of inappropriate groups,
such as comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32. There is also a private
(non-Usenet) Microsoft based news server which contains a group,
but which is not programming specific.

It should be noted that traffic would be expected to be fairly
slight at first, as 64-bit windows programming is in its infancy.
However, it is very likely that considerable porting and new
programming effort will ramp up as 64-bit Windows is released,
requiring a newsgroup quickly. There can be no doubt that 64-bit
programming will be of great commercial importance very quickly.

CHARTER: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit

The comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit newsgroup is for the
discussion of the following topic areas:
- The 64-bit Application Programming Interface
- Use of 64-bit Windows compatible compilers, assemblers and
programming tools
- Issues relating to programming of any 64-bit microprocessor
expected to work with 64-bit Windows, including AMD64/Opteron
and Intel Itanium/Xeon (Nacona and derivatives)
- Issues relating to 64-bit versions of any programming language
designed to work with 64-bit Windows
- Issues related to the porting of 32-bit software to the 64-bit
platform
- Any other discussions related to 64-bit Windows programming.

Posting of binary files is prohibited, with the exception of PGP
signatures and similar small binaries.

Infrequent posting of commercial information relating to 64-bit
programming tools and services is allowed. The same posting may
not be posted more often than monthly. Posting of commercial
information that is not strongly related to 64-bit Windows
programming tools or services is prohibited. In particular,
advertisements for computer hardware are not permitted.

When crossposting is used, it should be to no more than 3 additional
groups relevant to the discussion at hand.

END CHARTER.

FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.64bit - Final Voter List

NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are provided only to help verify the validity of the interest poll.

Voted YES
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andrew.carson [at] brooks.com Andrew Carson
BazarewskyM [at] Software-Answers.com Michael C. Bazarewsky
blueoceanz1 [at] hotmail.com James Aguilar
bob [at] cave.org Robert Wilkins
bouvin [at] daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
ceri [at] submonkey.net Ceri Davies
christian.mcardle [at] brooks.com Christian McArdle
clauer [at] free.fr Christophe Lauer
cmeerw-vote+comwp6+ [at] usenet.cmeerw.org Christof Meerwald
dance-anthems [at] o2.co.uk Paul Morris
david.dawkins [at] brooks.com David Dawkins
devnull [at] vianet.ca Trevor Tymchuk
Ekkehard [at] Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
ggw [at] wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory G Woodbury
gvollant [at] wanadoo.fr Gilles Vollant
haglundc [at] fuse.net Cathy Haglund
j.brown [at] dsl.pipex.com James Brown
jean.delori [at] free.fr Jean Delori
JKop [at] eircom.net JKop
julien.yakouz [at] wanadoo.fr Julien Yakouz
mbecker [at] winmike.de Mike Becker
meldalpra [at] yahoo.co.uk Melanie Dalpra
michal [at] rosa.id.au Michal Rosa
michel.renan [at] wanadoo.fr Michel Renan
pan [at] syix.com Pan
paul.hoad [at] brooks.com Paul Hoad
Peter-Lawrence.Montgomery [at] cwi.nl Peter L. Montgomery
psmyth [at] gmx.net Peter Smyth
rbegley [at] rogers.com W. Richard Begley
rclobus [at] home.nl R Clobus
rge [at] knology.net Ray Edwards
Robert.Bachmann [at] rbdev.net Robert Bachmann
robert.mcclenon [at] verizon.net Bob McClenon
sandmann [at] clio.rice.edu Charles Sandmann
ScottMcP [at] mvps.org Scott McPhillips
smcardle [at] ntlworld.com Susan McArdle
tomp [at] st.net.au Tom Perrett

Voted NO
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art [at] stromboli.uni.cc Arturo Stromboli
bastone [at] netzoola.com John Bastone
betty8743 [at] zahadum.com Betty Kewfi
blobster [at] fastmail.com.au Andrew Colquhoun
bloodyscott [at] uku.co.uk Scott Keller
bvd [at] ezc.info Bo Vito Dunn
chin [at] grungecafe.com Lee Chin
cordoza [at] ftml.net Mona Cordoza
deanhumphries [at] softhome.net Dean Humphries
dimitri.t [at] atlas.cz Dimitri Cestovani
dodcopman [at] myway.com Bob Douglas
dougob [at] charter.net D. OBrian
e [at] stromboli.uni.cc Elisabetta Stromboli
enrico [at] stromboli.uni.cc Enrico Stromboli
enzo [at] stromboli.uni.cc Enzo Stromboli Sr.
fila_brasileiros [at] hotmail.com Luiz Vercosa
g [at] stromboli.uni.cc Giorgio Stromboli
George_Preddy [at] yahoo.com George Preddy
gina [at] stromboli.uni.cc Gina Stromboli
goodiva [at] hismail.org Mortimer Goodiva
goodiva [at] msbx.net Amanda Goodiva
gprrspw [at] mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
hankzanzibar [at] lycos.com Hank Zanzibar
hugo [at] stromboli.uni.cc Hugo Stromboli
jacintavercosa [at] hotmail.com Jacinta Vercosa
jada [at] stromboli.uni.cc Jada Stromboli
joey [at] stromboli.uni.cc Joey Stromboli
jonovanpowell [at] hotmail.com Jonovan Powell
junior [at] stromboli.uni.cc Enzo Stromboli Jr.
kewfi [at] zahadum.com Joseph Kewfi
LopJuanita [at] netscape.net Juanita Lopez
mario [at] stromboli.uni.cc Mario Stromboli
mauicop [at] hawaii-politics.com mauicop
mohammed-nizam [at] maktoob.com Mohammed Nizam
montch [at] aracnet.com Matthew Montchalin
olivia [at] stromboli.uni.cc Olivia Stromboli
pablo [at] Cocaine.zzn.com Pablo Escobar
paolopizzi [at] email.it Paolo Pizzi
peabody [at] lottos.com.au Sandra Peabody
****meister [at] ml1.net Sal Gallo
quoowtupuq [at] swumsiowpi.mailexpire.com Ben Reese
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard H Miller
rosa [at] stromboli.uni.cc Rosa Stromboli
rosario [at] taken.to Ricky Rosario
roscoe [at] rednecks.com Bubba Roscoe
ruiz [at] universist.com Juanita Ruiz
scat [at] crap.as Raymondo Vassiola
Shoe412 [at] netscape.net Dolores Fontaine
slutbastard [at] hotmail.com Arturo Garcia
spadaro [at] kiaro.net Tony Spadaro
stainles [at] realtime.net Dwight Brown
superphreaka [at] phreaker.net Pierre Roche
takasaki [at] meishi.co.jp Akira Takasaki
tarageller [at] lycos.com Tara Geller
tony [at] stromboli.uni.cc Tony Stromboli
w8j4c8f7u2h4g9s8m4h4s8p2x8j3c8m4 [at] yahoo.com Jorge Cruz
wetback [at] runbox.com Rudy Garcia

Voted ABSTAIN
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van.ette [at] inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette

--
Bill Aten, UVV <>