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Alex Varghese
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      10-10-2003
Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers
Project #1N 102003
Company: Tata cons(leading company in the placement arena for the last
1 year)

Goal: Develop an internet based application in windows 98/2000/XP
platforms

Language: Any applicable

Guaranteed Remuneration: Rs.100/- to 3500/- in several knock out
stages

Please note:
You will be assigned a one day task(To program a small part or
so). Your selection will be based on your performance in this
assignment. Once you are selected you are guaranteed that you get
money starting from a mere Rs.100/- to a maximum of Rs.3500/-
according to the stage at which you drop your work or are rejected by
us. You will be rewarded Rs.3500/- if you are able to complete the
work fully.
Candidate passing the test will also be eligible for future job
opportunities , referrals, and other programming assignments directly
without the tests*.

Instructions:
To get your 1 day task, write your detailed biodata including
contact Phone and address(without which application will be
rejected)and a short note about how you would like to do the job and
email to http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed)




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Victor Bazarov
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      10-10-2003
"Alex Varghese" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote...
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Please stop posting off-topic information here.


 
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Benny Hill
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      10-10-2003
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:09:41 -0700, Alex Varghese wrote:

> Short term contract work(1 M)
> You will be rewarded Rs.3500/- if you are able to complete the
> work fully.


Out of curiosity I looked up the exchange rate for Indian Rupee to US
dollar. For a month's work you're offering about US$77.

Current exchange rate is approximately 45.5 Rupees per US dollar.

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E. Robert Tisdale
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      10-10-2003
Benny Hill wrote:

> Alex Varghese wrote:
>
>>Short term contract work(1 M)
>>You will be rewarded Rs.3500/- if you are able to complete the
>>work fully.

>
> Out of curiosity,
> I looked up the exchange rate for Indian Rupee to US dollar.
> For a month's work you're offering about US$77.
>
> Current exchange rate is approximately 45.5 Rupees per US dollar.


I suppose that explains why C++ programming jobs
are being exported to India.

Is this the future for IT professionals?
Would *you* be willing to work for $77.00/month?

 
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David B. Held
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      10-11-2003
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> Is this the future for IT professionals?
> Would *you* be willing to work for $77.00/month?


Frankly, I'm not worried about exporting work. You get
what you pay for. That's not to say that no Indian working
for $77/mo. is a good programmer. It's just that an Indian
who *is* a good programmer is likely to be able to get
more than $77/mo., and hence as unlikely to take such
a job as any other competent programmer. If bad
programmers are worried about competition from other
bad programmers who will accept payment in line with
their skills, then perhaps they should work on their skills
instead of whining about overseas competition.

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Paul Davis
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      10-14-2003
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:26:23 -0500, "David B. Held"
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>"E. Robert Tisdale" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> [...]
>> Is this the future for IT professionals?
>> Would *you* be willing to work for $77.00/month?

>
>Frankly, I'm not worried about exporting work. You get
>what you pay for. That's not to say that no Indian working
>for $77/mo. is a good programmer. It's just that an Indian
>who *is* a good programmer is likely to be able to get
>more than $77/mo., and hence as unlikely to take such
>a job as any other competent programmer. If bad
>programmers are worried about competition from other
>bad programmers who will accept payment in line with
>their skills, then perhaps they should work on their skills
>instead of whining about overseas competition.


I don't think it's that simple. Good Indian programmers are generally
not in a position to get western rates, because they can't get visas
to work abroad. However, in the cases where they do get visas, they
work for agencies who still pay them a low rate.

I think concerns about this sort of competition are valid. I've had to
quote against Wipro, for instance. They can undercut me because they
get the work done in India at a low rate; The levels of skill involved
are irrelevant. The client doesn't see the guy who does the work in
Bangalore; all they see is the commercial front. There has to be a
limit, IMHO, to the level at which you can export work simply because
it can be done cheaper in another country.

Anyway, the good news is that knowing a computer language, however
well you know it, is rarely sufficient to get a high rate. The
language is a means, not an end; the real skill is elsewhere, and
that's what you charge for.

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David B. Held
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      10-14-2003
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> I don't think it's that simple. Good Indian programmers are
> generally not in a position to get western rates, because they
> can't get visas to work abroad. However, in the cases where
> they do get visas, they work for agencies who still pay them
> a low rate.


But isn't that the point? They work at that rate because they
can afford to. And as long as they are capable and willing,
that is the market value for that level of service. The reason
Americans get angry is because they have a monopoly of
sorts on technology, where they can keep IT rates artificially
inflated. So instead of accepting that a lower rate is still a
fair rate because the market is willing to produce it, they
would rather resort to protectionist schemes that preserve
high prices.

> I think concerns about this sort of competition are valid.
> I've had to quote against Wipro, for instance. They can
> undercut me because they get the work done in India at
> a low rate; The levels of skill involved are irrelevant.


But they are. If the quality of the work is acceptable, then
you have some serious competition. If it isn't, then no
lowball rate is going to cut it, and the client will look for
better quality elsewhere.

> The client doesn't see the guy who does the work in
> Bangalore; all they see is the commercial front. There
> has to be a limit, IMHO, to the level at which you can
> export work simply because it can be done cheaper in
> another country.
> [...]


Only because you want to protect your local economy,
which is entirely understandable. But we live in a global
economy, which means cheap goods from China and
Mexico. I don't see anyone complaining about their
cheap consumer electronics, and demanding that they
pay more so that American producers can compete.
But when they are the producer, the story is entirely
different.

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Mike Wahler
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      10-14-2003
"Paul Davis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> There has to be a
> limit, IMHO, to the level at which you can export work simply because
> it can be done cheaper in another country.


IMO David's reply was on the mark, but I feel this is
a more fundamental issue which transcends politics.
Some might call it 'philosophy', I call it simply
"acknowledging reality and the true nature of man."

Why a 'limit'? Because some person or group arbitrarily
dictates that everyone is responsible for the welfare of
everyone else? I don't buy it. That's socialism,
enslavement.

Don't you believe in human freedom?

Those who defer responsibility for their own welfare to
others can never be free, no more so than those who are
coerced or deceived into the role of these "others".

IMO such protectionism inherent in your call for "limits"
is simply the "protection" of incompetence and laziness,
via coercion and deceit, the most evil forms of human behavior.

I always welcome competition. It causes me to improve
my productivity, thus my welfare.

It appears to me that those "low wage foreigners" possess
far more wisdom and integrity than their "union wage" American counterparts
who cry "unfair!"

Wisdom leads to integrity. Integrity leads to productivity.
Productivity leads to success. Success leads to happiness.
Happiness leads to love and compassion.

Aren't those last three items what we're all ultimately
pursuing?

I don't simply "believe", but *know* that everyone,
wherever they might live, has the inherent right to
follow the "rainbow" of freedom to the "gold" of love
and happiness, unfettered by the needs or demands of
others.

The world's "needy" comprise a much acclaimed "cause",
especially in the United States. But:

Love and compassion derived from success helps people
far more than that exercised by e.g. some nun with a
'vow of poverty' or a highly paid professional 'fund
raiser' who need always bestow it by proxy, via assigning
unearned guilt to others.

Why does not everyone see this? Capitalism isn't really
a "dog eat dog" expression of "tough luck, that's not my
problem, I don't want to hear it", but is an equitable and
*loving* form of human interaction, which provides for
everyone, without resorting to the evils of coercion and
deceit.

Excuse me, I'm going to go hug my wife and pet the dog now.

-Mike


 
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