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While CD has been totally reliable, I find even a single layer DVD+R to be
prone to problems. I do not use full face paper labels, write on the
discs, or print on them.

JVC dvd+r discs are recognized by the set top dvdr and are written to okay.
Once finalized, the dvdr doesn't see the disc but it seems to play okay on
a dvd player.

Maxell dvd+r discs work fine in the dvdr for both recording and playback.

Occasionally the dvdr doesn't load the Maxell finalized disc but cleaning
the disc and laser seems to restore its function. Are these discs and
machines more sensitive to dusty environments than cds? With more data
crammed into the same disc area and with less redundancy of data, it would
seem to explain why they're touchy.

I found full face paper labeling to be playing Russian Roulette with my DVD
recordings, but I don't know why, since I label CDs that way with no
problems, ever.

"Nomen Nescio" <> wrote in message
news:...
> While CD has been totally reliable, I find even a single layer DVD+R to be
> prone to problems. I do not use full face paper labels, write on the
> discs, or print on them.
>
> JVC dvd+r discs are recognized by the set top dvdr and are written to
> okay.
> Once finalized, the dvdr doesn't see the disc but it seems to play okay on
> a dvd player.
>
> Maxell dvd+r discs work fine in the dvdr for both recording and playback.
>
> Occasionally the dvdr doesn't load the Maxell finalized disc but cleaning
> the disc and laser seems to restore its function. Are these discs and
> machines more sensitive to dusty environments than cds? With more data
> crammed into the same disc area and with less redundancy of data, it would
> seem to explain why they're touchy.
>
> I found full face paper labeling to be playing Russian Roulette with my
> DVD
> recordings, but I don't know why, since I label CDs that way with no
> problems, ever.
>
Strange that labelling should be a problem as unlike CD where the recordable
layer is on top protected only by a lacquer coating the DVD layer is
sandwiched between two layers of plastic. The result being that if you
scatch the top of a DVD no harm unlike CD where the recorded layer is
damaged.
I'd also be looking at your recorder as iewing disks after recording is
simply not a issue I've ever had.

Nomen Nescio wrote:
> While CD has been totally reliable, I find even a single layer DVD+R to be
> prone to problems. I do not use full face paper labels, write on the
> discs, or print on them.
>
> JVC dvd+r discs are recognized by the set top dvdr and are written to okay.
> Once finalized, the dvdr doesn't see the disc but it seems to play okay on
> a dvd player.
>
> Maxell dvd+r discs work fine in the dvdr for both recording and playback.
>
> Occasionally the dvdr doesn't load the Maxell finalized disc but cleaning
> the disc and laser seems to restore its function. Are these discs and
> machines more sensitive to dusty environments than cds? With more data
> crammed into the same disc area and with less redundancy of data, it would
> seem to explain why they're touchy.
>
> I found full face paper labeling to be playing Russian Roulette with my DVD
> recordings, but I don't know why, since I label CDs that way with no
> problems, ever.
>
>
I have several hundred movies on DVD-R, all with full paper labels.
They play just fine in my computer (Plextor PX-716A) and in my DVD
player (Denon DVD-1600). But when I make a DVD to give to friends, I've
learned not to apply the paper labels because they may not play in the
friend's DVD player. I learned this when one of my friends became
frustrated when my DVD wouldn't play for her, so she removed the label
and it played just fine. Trouble is, she didn't get all the adhesive
off, and the DVD stuck in her player. Her husband was not amused, but
he took the cover off his DVD player and managed to retrieve the DVD. I
told this story to another friend who couldn't play one of my disks, and
he removed the label (and the adhesive, using alcohol) and then it too
would play in his DVD player.

In my experience, Ritek RiData DVD-R disks are the only blanks that work
dependably. Once I had some off-brand disks that recorded nicely and
played back nicely for about a week, and then whatever files were
recorded on the disk seemed just to evaporate. I stick with Ritek
RiData now.

Also, just a couple of days ago I got a new printer -- an Epson Stylus
Photo RX700. It has a special tray that allows it to print directly on
printable CDs and DVDs. I've found printable Ritek RiData DVDs from
Meritline are little more expensive than plain shiny blanks. And the
results are very very nice -- the disks look like they've been
professionally produced.

I figure the reason the disks with paper labels won't play in my
friends' DVD players is the mass of the labels, not some damage done by
the adhesive. The disks with labels are slightly heavier. My guess is
that either the slightly increased DVD weight or size caused by the
addition of paper and adhesive causes the disks to fail in some
players. It's not because the glue eats through the plastic.

--

Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

I've had to return Memorex labels because they were about 2 X heavier than
normal. They caused all kinds of problems.
Don't buy Memorex Labels.

"Bill Anderson" <> wrote in message
news:NYadnT-bGZz0d8DZRVn-...
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> While CD has been totally reliable, I find even a single layer DVD+R to
>> be
>> prone to problems. I do not use full face paper labels, write on the
>> discs, or print on them.
>>
>> JVC dvd+r discs are recognized by the set top dvdr and are written to
>> okay.
>> Once finalized, the dvdr doesn't see the disc but it seems to play okay
>> on
>> a dvd player.
>>
>> Maxell dvd+r discs work fine in the dvdr for both recording and playback.
>>
>> Occasionally the dvdr doesn't load the Maxell finalized disc but cleaning
>> the disc and laser seems to restore its function. Are these discs and
>> machines more sensitive to dusty environments than cds? With more data
>> crammed into the same disc area and with less redundancy of data, it
>> would
>> seem to explain why they're touchy.
>>
>> I found full face paper labeling to be playing Russian Roulette with my
>> DVD
>> recordings, but I don't know why, since I label CDs that way with no
>> problems, ever.
>>
>>
> I have several hundred movies on DVD-R, all with full paper labels. They
> play just fine in my computer (Plextor PX-716A) and in my DVD player
> (Denon DVD-1600). But when I make a DVD to give to friends, I've learned
> not to apply the paper labels because they may not play in the friend's
> DVD player. I learned this when one of my friends became frustrated when
> my DVD wouldn't play for her, so she removed the label and it played just
> fine. Trouble is, she didn't get all the adhesive off, and the DVD stuck
> in her player. Her husband was not amused, but he took the cover off his
> DVD player and managed to retrieve the DVD. I told this story to another
> friend who couldn't play one of my disks, and he removed the label (and
> the adhesive, using alcohol) and then it too would play in his DVD player.
>
> In my experience, Ritek RiData DVD-R disks are the only blanks that work
> dependably. Once I had some off-brand disks that recorded nicely and
> played back nicely for about a week, and then whatever files were recorded
> on the disk seemed just to evaporate. I stick with Ritek RiData now.
>
> Also, just a couple of days ago I got a new printer -- an Epson Stylus
> Photo RX700. It has a special tray that allows it to print directly on
> printable CDs and DVDs. I've found printable Ritek RiData DVDs from
> Meritline are little more expensive than plain shiny blanks. And the
> results are very very nice -- the disks look like they've been
> professionally produced.
> I figure the reason the disks with paper labels won't play in my friends'
> DVD players is the mass of the labels, not some damage done by the
> adhesive. The disks with labels are slightly heavier. My guess is that
> either the slightly increased DVD weight or size caused by the addition of
> paper and adhesive causes the disks to fail in some players. It's not
> because the glue eats through the plastic.
>
> --
>
> Bill Anderson
>
> I am the Mighty Favog

In article <t%n7g.3530$4H.360@dukeread03>, JAS <> wrote:

> Don't buy Memorex Labels.

Don't buy Memorex *products* -- even easier.

JAS wrote:
> I've had to return Memorex labels because they were about 2 X heavier than
> normal. They caused all kinds of problems.
> Don't buy Memorex Labels.
>
>
Bingo. I've been using Memorex labels. But now with the new printer, I
plan to use no labels at all.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

problem with the paper labels is they unbalance the DVD rotation,,,

Had the same problem putting labels on DVDs,,,they will not play on
all players,,,computer drives seem less sensitive to this problem.

Note - reg CDs do not seem to be sensitive to this problem,,,never had
a nusic or data CD not work.


Bill Anderson <> wrote:

>JAS wrote:
>> I've had to return Memorex labels because they were about 2 X heavier than
>> normal. They caused all kinds of problems.
>> Don't buy Memorex Labels.
>>
>>
>Bingo. I've been using Memorex labels. But now with the new printer, I
>plan to use no labels at all.
>
>--
>Bill Anderson
>
>I am the Mighty Favog

Bill Anderson wrote:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> While CD has been totally reliable, I find even a single layer DVD+R
>> to be
>> prone to problems. I do not use full face paper labels, write on the
>> discs, or print on them.
>>
>> JVC dvd+r discs are recognized by the set top dvdr and are written to
>> okay.
>> Once finalized, the dvdr doesn't see the disc but it seems to play
>> okay on
>> a dvd player.
>>
>> Maxell dvd+r discs work fine in the dvdr for both recording and playback.
>>
>> Occasionally the dvdr doesn't load the Maxell finalized disc but cleaning
>> the disc and laser seems to restore its function. Are these discs and
>> machines more sensitive to dusty environments than cds? With more data
>> crammed into the same disc area and with less redundancy of data, it
>> would
>> seem to explain why they're touchy.
>>
>> I found full face paper labeling to be playing Russian Roulette with
>> my DVD
>> recordings, but I don't know why, since I label CDs that way with no
>> problems, ever.
>>
>>
>
> I have several hundred movies on DVD-R, all with full paper labels.
> They play just fine in my computer (Plextor PX-716A) and in my DVD
> player (Denon DVD-1600). But when I make a DVD to give to friends, I've
> learned not to apply the paper labels because they may not play in the
> friend's DVD player. I learned this when one of my friends became
> frustrated when my DVD wouldn't play for her, so she removed the label
> and it played just fine. Trouble is, she didn't get all the adhesive
> off, and the DVD stuck in her player. Her husband was not amused, but
> he took the cover off his DVD player and managed to retrieve the DVD. I
> told this story to another friend who couldn't play one of my disks, and
> he removed the label (and the adhesive, using alcohol) and then it too
> would play in his DVD player.
>
> In my experience, Ritek RiData DVD-R disks are the only blanks that work
> dependably. Once I had some off-brand disks that recorded nicely and
> played back nicely for about a week, and then whatever files were
> recorded on the disk seemed just to evaporate. I stick with Ritek
> RiData now.
>
> Also, just a couple of days ago I got a new printer -- an Epson Stylus
> Photo RX700. It has a special tray that allows it to print directly on
> printable CDs and DVDs. I've found printable Ritek RiData DVDs from
> Meritline are little more expensive than plain shiny blanks. And the
> results are very very nice -- the disks look like they've been
> professionally produced.
> I figure the reason the disks with paper labels won't play in my
> friends' DVD players is the mass of the labels, not some damage done by
> the adhesive. The disks with labels are slightly heavier. My guess is
> that either the slightly increased DVD weight or size caused by the
> addition of paper and adhesive causes the disks to fail in some
> players. It's not because the glue eats through the plastic.
>
How about Lightscribe?? Any one using them?
-Mike

"Bill Anderson" <> wrote in message
news:NYadnT-bGZz0d8DZRVn-...
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> While CD has been totally reliable, I find even a single layer DVD+R to
>> be
>> prone to problems. I do not use full face paper labels, write on the
>> discs, or print on them.
>>
>> JVC dvd+r discs are recognized by the set top dvdr and are written to
>> okay.
>> Once finalized, the dvdr doesn't see the disc but it seems to play okay
>> on
>> a dvd player.
>>
>> Maxell dvd+r discs work fine in the dvdr for both recording and playback.
>>
>> Occasionally the dvdr doesn't load the Maxell finalized disc but cleaning
>> the disc and laser seems to restore its function. Are these discs and
>> machines more sensitive to dusty environments than cds? With more data
>> crammed into the same disc area and with less redundancy of data, it
>> would
>> seem to explain why they're touchy.
>>
>> I found full face paper labeling to be playing Russian Roulette with my
>> DVD
>> recordings, but I don't know why, since I label CDs that way with no
>> problems, ever.
>>
>>
> I have several hundred movies on DVD-R, all with full paper labels. They
> play just fine in my computer (Plextor PX-716A) and in my DVD player
> (Denon DVD-1600). But when I make a DVD to give to friends, I've learned
> not to apply the paper labels because they may not play in the friend's
> DVD player. I learned this when one of my friends became frustrated when
> my DVD wouldn't play for her, so she removed the label and it played just
> fine. Trouble is, she didn't get all the adhesive off, and the DVD stuck
> in her player. Her husband was not amused, but he took the cover off his
> DVD player and managed to retrieve the DVD. I told this story to another
> friend who couldn't play one of my disks, and he removed the label (and
> the adhesive, using alcohol) and then it too would play in his DVD player.
>
> In my experience, Ritek RiData DVD-R disks are the only blanks that work
> dependably. Once I had some off-brand disks that recorded nicely and
> played back nicely for about a week, and then whatever files were recorded
> on the disk seemed just to evaporate. I stick with Ritek RiData now.

Same thing here. I only use Ritek, the only reliable disc that I've found.

I just had an entire batch of 50 Ritek DVD+RW (note: Rewritables) fail to
be recognized by any recorder. They are totally and completely defective.

Taiyo Yuden is the most reliable for DVD-R (write once).