Experts/Polls: Toshiba's HD-DVD dead in the water. Blu-ray will win.

Research firms (e.g. Forrester Research) note that Blu-ray will most
likely win in the format war:

"Blu-ray has several advantages that will help it win the day, Schadler
said. HD DVD is a one-trick pony for video playback, but Blu-ray is
also designed for games and computers, he said. Indeed, its inclusion
in millions of Sony's next-generation video game consoles is a factor.
And when former HD DVD loyalist Paramount endorsed Blu-ray, it shifted
the movie studio momentum. Finally, although Blu-ray manufacturing will
cost a little more initially, it offers more capacity and employs a
proven technology, Java, for interactive features."

http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/stor...0057660,00.htm

Informal Polls show same:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=451395

I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
because it did not license it out. In this case, Blu-ray is supported
by a large number of vendors. This is not just Sony. This is Panasonic,
and Disney, Warner, Fox, and Sun, and IBM, and.....

Also, people wondered why they would buy the much smaller Toshiba disc
when the Blu-ray can hold so much more data.

asj

News flash: both formats are dead in the water.



"asj" <> wrote in message
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> Research firms (e.g. Forrester Research) note that Blu-ray will most
> likely win in the format war:
>
> "Blu-ray has several advantages that will help it win the day, Schadler
> said. HD DVD is a one-trick pony for video playback, but Blu-ray is
> also designed for games and computers, he said. Indeed, its inclusion
> in millions of Sony's next-generation video game consoles is a factor.
> And when former HD DVD loyalist Paramount endorsed Blu-ray, it shifted
> the movie studio momentum. Finally, although Blu-ray manufacturing will
> cost a little more initially, it offers more capacity and employs a
> proven technology, Java, for interactive features."
>
> http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/stor...0057660,00.htm
>
> Informal Polls show same:
> http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=451395
>
> I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
> because it did not license it out. In this case, Blu-ray is supported
> by a large number of vendors. This is not just Sony. This is Panasonic,
> and Disney, Warner, Fox, and Sun, and IBM, and.....
>
> Also, people wondered why they would buy the much smaller Toshiba disc
> when the Blu-ray can hold so much more data.
>

Dan G

Please explain.

Dan G wrote:
> News flash: both formats are dead in the water.
>
>
>
> "asj" <> wrote in message
> news: oups.com...
>> Research firms (e.g. Forrester Research) note that Blu-ray will most
>> likely win in the format war:
>>
>> "Blu-ray has several advantages that will help it win the day, Schadler
>> said. HD DVD is a one-trick pony for video playback, but Blu-ray is
>> also designed for games and computers, he said. Indeed, its inclusion
>> in millions of Sony's next-generation video game consoles is a factor.
>> And when former HD DVD loyalist Paramount endorsed Blu-ray, it shifted
>> the movie studio momentum. Finally, although Blu-ray manufacturing will
>> cost a little more initially, it offers more capacity and employs a
>> proven technology, Java, for interactive features."
>>
>> http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/stor...0057660,00.htm
>>
>> Informal Polls show same:
>> http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=451395
>>
>> I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
>> because it did not license it out. In this case, Blu-ray is supported
>> by a large number of vendors. This is not just Sony. This is Panasonic,
>> and Disney, Warner, Fox, and Sun, and IBM, and.....
>>
>> Also, people wondered why they would buy the much smaller Toshiba disc
>> when the Blu-ray can hold so much more data.

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"asj" <> wrote in message
news: oups.com...
> Research firms (e.g. Forrester Research) note that Blu-ray will most
> likely win in the format war:
>
> "Blu-ray has several advantages that will help it win the day, Schadler
> said. HD DVD is a one-trick pony for video playback, but Blu-ray is
> also designed for games and computers, he said. Indeed, its inclusion
> in millions of Sony's next-generation video game consoles is a factor.
> And when former HD DVD loyalist Paramount endorsed Blu-ray, it shifted
> the movie studio momentum. Finally, although Blu-ray manufacturing will
> cost a little more initially, it offers more capacity and employs a
> proven technology, Java, for interactive features."
>
> http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/stor...0057660,00.htm
>
> Informal Polls show same:
> http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=451395
>
> I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
> because it did not license it out. In this case, Blu-ray is supported
> by a large number of vendors. This is not just Sony. This is Panasonic,
> and Disney, Warner, Fox, and Sun, and IBM, and.....
>
> Also, people wondered why they would buy the much smaller Toshiba disc
> when the Blu-ray can hold so much more data.
>

I thought Microsoft is backing HD-DVD.

FDR

I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
because it did not license it out.

Sony licensed Beta to Zenith. VHS was licensed to RCA. At the time Sony
priced its units very high and Zenith was starting its decline as a force in
the retail market. RCA was a much stronger distributor offering dealer
incentives, etc. Sony did a poor job promoting Beta's advantages, smaller
case size designed to fit on a book shelf, standard 720 tapes holding more
than 120 tapes at Beta II speed, superior mechanical design and superior
video quality.

Poor marketing and higher prices when thrown against a far more aggressive
marketing force that understood our market is what did Beta in. This may not
be the case with blu-ray.

Richard.

Richard

On 5 Apr 2006 05:47:19 -0700, "asj" <> wrote:

>I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
>because it did not license it out.

What do you mean? That all those Zenith, Sanyo, Sears, etc. VCRs were
unlicensed? That all the major movie studios produced movies in Betamax
without licensing?

>Also, people wondered why they would buy the much smaller Toshiba disc
>when the Blu-ray can hold so much more data.

Totally unimportant to the vast majority of the movie-buying public.




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FDR wrote:
> I thought Microsoft is backing HD-DVD.

Microsoft is backing HD-DVD but preparing for Blu-ray to win by saying
it will support Blu-ray through 3rd party vendors. They know the
writing on the wall.

I was also expecting Microsoft to win the cellphone wars, but Java
kicked their butts and now most cellphones run Java.

JLee@blueboard.com

Kimba W. Lion wrote:

> Totally unimportant to the vast majority of the movie-buying public.

Yes, but these are pricey players whose initial targets WON'T be the
mass public. DVD players now can go as low as $35, so both format
players are way beyond that in price! So the initial target will be
movie affictionados, and to THOSE people, specs matter a lot, quality
matters a lot, and geeky additions matter too (and Blu-ray wins all
that hands down). As prices come down over time (and more movies are
offered in HD), THEN we'll see mass buyings of these players - by that
time toshiba will have given up.

JLee@blueboard.com

On 5 Apr 2006 05:47:19 -0700, "asj" <> wrote:

>Research firms (e.g. Forrester Research) note that Blu-ray will most
>likely win in the format war:
>
>"Blu-ray has several advantages that will help it win the day, Schadler
>said. HD DVD is a one-trick pony for video playback, but Blu-ray is
>also designed for games and computers, he said. Indeed, its inclusion
>in millions of Sony's next-generation video game consoles is a factor.
>And when former HD DVD loyalist Paramount endorsed Blu-ray, it shifted
>the movie studio momentum. Finally, although Blu-ray manufacturing will
>cost a little more initially, it offers more capacity and employs a
>proven technology, Java, for interactive features."
>
>http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/stor...0057660,00.htm
>
>Informal Polls show same:
>http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=451395
>
>I have informally talked to people as well. They note Sony lost betamax
>because it did not license it out. In this case, Blu-ray is supported
>by a large number of vendors. This is not just Sony. This is Panasonic,
>and Disney, Warner, Fox, and Sun, and IBM, and.....
>
>Also, people wondered why they would buy the much smaller Toshiba disc
>when the Blu-ray can hold so much more data.

One question. Where is it? HD-DVD is here Blue Ray is not.

Fred C. Dobbs

asj wrote: >

> ... Blu-ray will most likely win in the format war:

I'm still predicting that both will lose. Both are pitching
DRM-poisioned early-adopter-killer media at what has
always been a 1% niche market (videophiles).

Even the tech tabloids have picked up on the suicide:
The Big Fat High-Def Interview
<http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30780>

Meanwhile, the player/title intros keep slipping out ...

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