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Goro wrote:
> What will propel HD forward likely won't be PQ, imho.

It'll be the even-more-annoying, new MENUS, dambit! <gp>

-Junior

In article < .com>,
"Goro" <> wrote:


....snip....


> In the end, what is going to sell BR/HDDVD to the masses will not be
> picture quality, it will be added value.
>
> for eg.
> * HD-discs could be priced substantially below DVD prices, which could
> be a combination of raising DVD prices and low HD price points. Could
> make DVD rental priced for a window and imitate the VHS-DVD siutation,
> which encouraged DVD adoption.
>

I don't see this at all. Raising the price of DVDs would have to be
industry wide. And I think that some distributors would not cooperate
and their DVD's would sell better. I also don't see a low price for HD
disks to start.

> * HD-discs available earlier than DVD. WB is saying 3weeks after
> theatrical with DVD window remainigng same. IIRC, in the earlier days
> of DVD, DVDs weren't availabel ont he same day as VHS.
>

This dog wont hunt. If there is widespread release of HD movies months
before the DVD then everyone who doesn't have HD will have access to
DivX copies within hours and lots of people will take advantage until
the DVDs are released. And some of them may forget to buy the DVD. I
can't imagine that the studios would be this stupid. Well actually I
can.

> * Convenience. More content available per single disc (and cheaper).
>

What extra content could they add? I admit that it would be a good
thing for season sets of TV shows, but that seems to have been
straightened out with recent packaging.


dick

unclejr wrote:
> Goro wrote:
> > What will propel HD forward likely won't be PQ, imho.
>
> It'll be the even-more-annoying, new MENUS, dambit! <gp>
>
> -Junior

But it's JAVA based! at least it's not FLASH-based... (or that new
Sparkle by Micro$oft)

-goro-

wrote:
> How ingenious the plan is? I pitty those Best Buy Salespersons who
> will need to explain analogue downconvert and then player upconvert to
> potential buyers. As if all these differences between LCD, LCD
> projection, DLP, DLP Led, Plasma, Blue Ray, HD DVD are not enough to
> make Joe Six Packs?head spin. The end result is that Joe will
> probably just walk out the door with his money in his pocket without
> buying a thing.
I won't buy a disk that does this. I am connected to my 65 inch HDTV
using the RGB component connections. I have had this TV long enough
that it isn't equipped with all of the digital connections.

I tend to buy quite a few DVDs, but I guess these guys aren't interested
in my money any more.

Kimba W. Lion wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Supporters of Image Constraint argue that few consumers will be able
>> to tell the difference between down-converted analog and high-def.
>
> Then what is the freakin' purpose of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray in the first
> place?

Good question.

It would be nice if some of the business executives would explain
just how many different steps they are willing to take to see that
the new systems see very few buyers.

Mark Jones wrote:
> wrote:
>> How ingenious the plan is? I pitty those Best Buy Salespersons who
>> will need to explain analogue downconvert and then player upconvert to
>> potential buyers. As if all these differences between LCD, LCD
>> projection, DLP, DLP Led, Plasma, Blue Ray, HD DVD are not enough to
>> make Joe Six Packs?head spin. The end result is that Joe will
>> probably just walk out the door with his money in his pocket without
>> buying a thing.
> I won't buy a disk that does this. I am connected to my 65 inch HDTV
> using the RGB component connections. I have had this TV long enough
> that it isn't equipped with all of the digital connections.
>
> I tend to buy quite a few DVDs, but I guess these guys aren't interested
> in my money any more.
>
>
I'm with 'ya on that. Besides, if the signal sent through component
cables is analog, then by definition you cannot make a perfect bit for
bit copy of it. If that is the case, then we have a right to "Fair use"
of the signal since it will degrade naturally. There should be nothing
to down convert the signal. By the industry forcing the down convert
the are making perfectly good equipment not perform to it's fullest
capacity. This is ridiculous. When S-Video came out, did it change the
way composite worked? When component came out, did it change the way
S-Video worked? There's really no reason that HDMI DRM needs to disable
or down convert an analog HD signal. This is the first time a newer
technology is limiting existing technology with these connectors. It's
insane. I'll pass on the whole mess. I'm sticking with DVD for now.

I hope the HD media war is a costly one and that both formats die and
all the big players lose billions. I'll guarantee there will be hacks
on computers that will get around and DRM and instantly grant bit for
bit copies. I'm sure we'll see players from China that come out that
don't do the down convert as well.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:22:35 GMT, "Steve K." <>
wrote:


>I hope the HD media war is a costly one and that both formats die and
>all the big players lose billions. I'll guarantee there will be hacks
>on computers that will get around and DRM and instantly grant bit for
>bit copies. I'm sure we'll see players from China that come out that
>don't do the down convert as well.

My sentiment exactly. After all the hooplas on Regional DVDs, Chinese
player can play them all in just a few years. And even if Chinese
players can't play them all, you just need to spend another $29.99 to
pick up another region play to play that disc.

Obviously, Sony and the big dogs have now learned their lessons, I
wonder what they could do to bar Chinese makers making HD/BR players.

Steve K. wrote:
> Mark Jones wrote:
> > wrote:
> >> How ingenious the plan is? I pitty those Best Buy Salespersons who
> >> will need to explain analogue downconvert and then player upconvert to
> >> potential buyers. As if all these differences between LCD, LCD
> >> projection, DLP, DLP Led, Plasma, Blue Ray, HD DVD are not enough to
> >> make Joe Six Packs?head spin. The end result is that Joe will
> >> probably just walk out the door with his money in his pocket without
> >> buying a thing.
> > I won't buy a disk that does this. I am connected to my 65 inch HDTV
> > using the RGB component connections. I have had this TV long enough
> > that it isn't equipped with all of the digital connections.
> >
> > I tend to buy quite a few DVDs, but I guess these guys aren't interested
> > in my money any more.
> >
> >
> I'm with 'ya on that. Besides, if the signal sent through component
> cables is analog, then by definition you cannot make a perfect bit for
> bit copy of it. If that is the case, then we have a right to "Fair use"
> of the signal since it will degrade naturally. There should be nothing
> to down convert the signal. By the industry forcing the down convert
> the are making perfectly good equipment not perform to it's fullest
> capacity. This is ridiculous. When S-Video came out, did it change the
> way composite worked? When component came out, did it change the way
> S-Video worked? There's really no reason that HDMI DRM needs to disable
> or down convert an analog HD signal. This is the first time a newer
> technology is limiting existing technology with these connectors. It's
> insane. I'll pass on the whole mess. I'm sticking with DVD for now.
>
> I hope the HD media war is a costly one and that both formats die and
> all the big players lose billions. I'll guarantee there will be hacks
> on computers that will get around and DRM and instantly grant bit for
> bit copies. I'm sure we'll see players from China that come out that
> don't do the down convert as well.

Japan, probably. There's apparently a law in Japan that says you can't
degrade the signal at all. And that's in place until 2009 or so.

-goro-