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On 4 Jan 2006 08:55:40 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <>
Gave us:

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>If burning DVDs is anything like printing up business cards and
>envelopes,


Consumers BURN DVDs. The studios do not, nor have they ever.

Justin wrote:
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>
> You don't burn DVDs, you produce them. Burning is what you do at home,
> they are pressed in large numbers

Thanks for pointing that out.

And if these presses are anything like printing presses, then I say
again that tacking on a extra fifty or so to a run of thousands costs
very little, if anything at all, really, especially in this digital
age.

> if those 50 sell, what do they do, press 10 more?

If those fifty sell, they'd probably increase the next batch of the
title. Presumably they press thousands of discs at regular intervals,
and how's one title different than any of the others that are being
run? Remember, costs are really negligible at this scale: production
costs, inventory costs, etc.

> Different companies produce different product under different business
> models. The Wings of Honneamise (I know I have spelt that incorrectly)

Is that incorrect? Works for dvdpricesearch.com!

> is produced by Manga, I believe, not a company known for producing
> quality work on DVD.

That too. @#$%^&*!!

Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
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>
>
> In the industrial world "M" is one million. It is the abbreviation
> for Mega, not mille. mill is a small m and stands for one thousandth.
> k stands for kilo and is one thousand.


Sure, in the computer world as well (generally "MB," though).

Mille is Latin for a thousand. This is what printers go by.

Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
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> "Bulk runs" As you call them are not burned either. Studio discs
> are STAMPED. Anyone that would call burned discs a production method
> ain't real bright, and is certainly pirating (referring to the other
> ding dong).

Well, since you raise the subject, I want to state again that CERTAIN
KINDS OF PIRATING IS NOT REAL THEFT. I don't encourage it, I don't
engage in it, but all this hoopla about piracy raising costs is
BULLSHIT. For many commodities which cannot be pirated you can see
that how prices are kept artificially high, whether we're talking
federal argricultural products subsidies to memory chip-maker's illegal
cartels.

Piracy is not the reason why Big Studio DVDs cost $20 on average.
GREED is.

I would not turn in a pirate as long as he doesn't pirate the small
houses (Kino, etc.). You can argue legality and morality all you want
-- it's not thievery to pick crumbs off a robber baron's table. Most
people don't consider piracy a problem, and for good reason.

They know it's a bullshit crime, almost as harmless as jay-walking on
average.

> There ARE inventories of discontinued discs around, but they are NOT
> for sale. I'd bet that Criterion still has several hundred copies of
> SOTL around. Do you know what that disc sells for on ebay? Even used?

No, why?

And why are there inventories of discontinued products? Why not just
sell them? Presumably they've been discontinued due to poor sales. It
costs money to store them. That's why Atari buried its excess game
cartridges in the desert -- and deliberately ran them over first to
prevent looting!

I just don't understand it.

> You cannot burn the same disc that got stamped. They are two
> entirely different sessions.

I am reminded of Ogden Nash's "The Purist":

I give you now Professor Twist,
a conscientious scientist.
Trustees exclaimed, "He never bungles!"
and sent him off to distant jungles.
Camped on a tropic riverside,
one day he missed his loving bride.
She had, the guide informed him later,
been eaten by an alligator.
Professor Twist could not but smile.
"You mean," he said, "a crocodile."

On 4 Jan 2006 12:28:02 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <>
Gave us:

>Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> In the industrial world "M" is one million. It is the abbreviation
>> for Mega, not mille. mill is a small m and stands for one thousandth.
>> k stands for kilo and is one thousand.
>
>
>Sure, in the computer world as well (generally "MB," though).
>
>Mille is Latin for a thousand. This is what printers go by.


We ALL use the METRIC system these days. So do DISC "publishers"

I'd bet that book publisher do as well.

Little m is mille or 1/1000.

Little k is kilo 1000

Capital M is Mega or MILLION.

NYC XYZ wrote on [4 Jan 2006 12:27:44 -0800]:
> Justin wrote:
>>
>>
>> You don't burn DVDs, you produce them. Burning is what you do at home,
>> they are pressed in large numbers
>
> Thanks for pointing that out.
>
> And if these presses are anything like printing presses, then I say
> again that tacking on a extra fifty or so to a run of thousands costs
> very little, if anything at all, really, especially in this digital
> age.

Oh, certainly, costs per unit go down dramatically the more you produce.

>> if those 50 sell, what do they do, press 10 more?
>
> If those fifty sell, they'd probably increase the next batch of the
> title. Presumably they press thousands of discs at regular intervals,
> and how's one title different than any of the others that are being
> run? Remember, costs are really negligible at this scale: production
> costs, inventory costs, etc.

If those 50 take 5 years to sell they'd most likely not make a next
batch.

>> Different companies produce different product under different business
>> models. The Wings of Honneamise (I know I have spelt that incorrectly)
>
> Is that incorrect? Works for dvdpricesearch.com!

Well, maybe it is correct. Who knew!

NYC XYZ wrote on [4 Jan 2006 12:28:02 -0800]:
> Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> In the industrial world "M" is one million. It is the abbreviation
>> for Mega, not mille. mill is a small m and stands for one thousandth.
>> k stands for kilo and is one thousand.
>
>
> Sure, in the computer world as well (generally "MB," though).

No, MB would be MegaBytes. M is Mega.

Roy L Fuchs wrote on [Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:42:47 GMT]:
> On 4 Jan 2006 12:28:02 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <>
> Gave us:
>
>>Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the industrial world "M" is one million. It is the abbreviation
>>> for Mega, not mille. mill is a small m and stands for one thousandth.
>>> k stands for kilo and is one thousand.
>>
>>
>>Sure, in the computer world as well (generally "MB," though).
>>
>>Mille is Latin for a thousand. This is what printers go by.
>
>
> We ALL use the METRIC system these days. So do DISC "publishers"
>
> I'd bet that book publisher do as well.
>
> Little m is mille or 1/1000.

milli

NYC XYZ wrote on [4 Jan 2006 12:28:20 -0800]:
> Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
>>
>> "Bulk runs" As you call them are not burned either. Studio discs
>> are STAMPED. Anyone that would call burned discs a production method
>> ain't real bright, and is certainly pirating (referring to the other
>> ding dong).
>
> Well, since you raise the subject, I want to state again that CERTAIN
> KINDS OF PIRATING IS NOT REAL THEFT. I don't encourage it, I don't
> engage in it, but all this hoopla about piracy raising costs is
> BULLSHIT. For many commodities which cannot be pirated you can see
> that how prices are kept artificially high, whether we're talking
> federal argricultural products subsidies to memory chip-maker's illegal
> cartels.
>
> Piracy is not the reason why Big Studio DVDs cost $20 on average.
> GREED is.

No, production costs are the reason. Movies aren't free. Most movies do
not break even in the theatrical run. Distribution and labour also
aren't free, do you think movies put themself onto DVDs and then take
themself to the store?

> They know it's a bullshit crime, almost as harmless as jay-walking on
> average.

If someone wasn't going to buy something if it wasn't free, this is
true. The number of sales actually lost is incalculable.


> And why are there inventories of discontinued products? Why not just
> sell them?

in the example, Silence of the Lambs, Criterion lost the license. I know
that if I produced something I would make certain to have enough copies
on hand to never have no copies, no matter how many I had given away as
examples of my work.

> Presumably they've been discontinued due to poor sales.

Sometimes

On 4 Jan 2006 12:28:20 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <>
Gave us:

>Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
>>
>> "Bulk runs" As you call them are not burned either. Studio discs
>> are STAMPED. Anyone that would call burned discs a production method
>> ain't real bright, and is certainly pirating (referring to the other
>> ding dong).
>
>Well, since you raise the subject, I want to state again that CERTAIN
>KINDS OF PIRATING IS NOT REAL THEFT.

You're an idiot. If you were not the studio that produced the works
or are not the person or entity that has the RIGHTS to the works, you
do NOT have a right to PRODUCE them in any way shape or form.

> I don't encourage it, I don't
>engage in it, but all this hoopla about piracy raising costs is
>BULLSHIT.

You're an idiot.

> For many commodities which cannot be pirated you can see
>that how prices are kept artificially high, whether we're talking
>federal argricultural products subsidies to memory chip-maker's illegal
>cartels.

Apples and oranges.

>Piracy is not the reason why Big Studio DVDs cost $20 on average.
>GREED is.

Absolutely not. The price is quite reasonable, and cost of
manufacture has nothing to do with it nor does piracy concerns. It
just happens to be an acceptable price point to any civil adult. It's
you **** and moan retards that need to manufacture reasons why you
think you are being ripped off that have a problem. You need to learn
how to conform to societies norms, not try to make them up as you go
along. The opinion of you and your bar room buddies is *not* that
norm.

>I would not turn in a pirate as long as he doesn't pirate the small
>houses (Kino, etc.).

You're a goddamned idiot.

> You can argue legality and morality all you want

You obviously cannot. You rest somewhere near pond scum.

>-- it's not thievery to pick crumbs off a robber baron's table.

You are the robber. I'll come over and rob your safe, fuktard!

> Most
>people don't consider piracy a problem, and for good reason.

Most people these days are gang boy mentality twits raised by gang
boy mentality retarded parents, and those that are raised right do not
share your view, idiot. You are NOT in the majority. Not even close.
Even if you were, that doesn't make you right. The folks you ****
over are real people too. If we had everything your way, they'd be
sticking a red hot poker up your ass.

>
>They know it's a bullshit crime, almost as harmless as jay-walking on
>average.

Your a bullshit excuse for a man.

>> There ARE inventories of discontinued discs around, but they are NOT
>> for sale. I'd bet that Criterion still has several hundred copies of
>> SOTL around. Do you know what that disc sells for on ebay? Even used?
>
>No, why?

If you are too stupid to get it, you are to stupid to discuss it.

>And why are there inventories of discontinued products?

I know where a warehouse full of twenty copies each of every 45 disc
produced since the mid 40's. All UNPLAYED.

Why? cause that is the way they want it. Ever heard of an archive?
One day, those discs may be the only pristine versions in existence.

> Why not just
>sell them?

Are you really that clueless? Do I even need to ask?

> Presumably they've been discontinued due to poor sales.

No. there are scheduled production runs. PERIOD. There are films
STILL waiting in line to be mastered to DVD. When they DO get done,
it will be a specific sized run. Very few get new runs ran. Only
really BIG sellers. It, however, is not for YOU to decide.

> It costs money to store them.

Minuscule. Les than it costs to put up with your bullshit.

> That's why Atari buried its excess game
>cartridges in the desert -- and deliberately ran them over first to
>prevent looting!

Dude... you are one bent perception fuktard.

>I just don't understand it.

Obviously. I blame your parents.

>> You cannot burn the same disc that got stamped. They are two
>> entirely different sessions.
>
>I am reminded of Ogden Nash's "The Purist":

I am talking about the master that gets used to make a REAL DVD. It
is NOT the same master you create when you burn a copy of the film.
Yo are one thick fuktard.

Snipped totally retarded ****
from the totally retarded twit

Grow up, boy. It AIN'T "All good".