Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray DVD Player.

Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig

Published Tuesday 6th September 2005 15:09 GMT

Samsung is to harness consumer confusion over which next-generation
optical disc standard to back by offering a player that supports both
HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc (BD).

The machine will launch sometime next year, said Choi Gee-Sung,
Samsung's consumer electronics chief, in an interview published by the
Financial Times Deutschland.

"We would welcome a unified standard but if this doesn't come, which
looks likely, we'll bring a unified solution to market," he said.

"It won't be simple but you'll see our solution in the coming year.
Consumers will be too confused otherwise," he added.

With talks held between the two camps to find common ground in order
to yield a unified format having broken down, consumers much now
choose which format to support. Backing the wrong format could leave
buyers with access to less content and, over time, more expensive
hardware. That risk may persuade them simply to ignore both formats
until a clear winner emerges.

Dual-play machines could break the deadlock. Both BD and HD DVD use
blue laser light to increase the storage capacity of a DVD-sized
optical disc dramatically. However, the two formats have very
different capacities, optical specifications and file structures.
Samsung's machine is likely to require at least two different read
heads for the blue-laser discs, not to mention another, red
laser-based head to read today's DVDs and CDs.

To date, Samsung has favoured BD over HD DVD, but today's statement
suggest it doesn't believe its favoured format will quickly establish
a clear lead over HD DVD.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09...bluray_player/


Well so much for that being "impossible".






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Allan

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...UNG-DVD-DC.XML






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Allan

On 9/6/2005 8:44:15 AM, Allan wrote:

> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig

Apparently, they haven't met Alpha, or they'd know that's impossible.
--
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bathroom. One fellar said, 'The water's cold' and the other fellar said,
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Tarkus

"Allan" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Samsung is to harness consumer confusion over which next-generation
> optical disc standard to back by offering a player that supports both
> HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc (BD).

But that's impossible!

-Alpha

3W

Allan wrote:
> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig
*snip*

i want an announcement that says the player won't require an internet
connection...

-goro-

Goro

"Tarkus" <> wrote in message
news:nefxtqljqjmx$....
> On 9/6/2005 8:44:15 AM, Allan wrote:
>
>> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig
>
> Apparently, they haven't met Alpha, or they'd know that's impossible.

If you read my whole series of notes on this, the caveat was using a
multi-laser drive system. Sure you can do that...at big cost. We will see
what the coy announcement says is Samsung's solution...they won't even
indicate what it is. The article itself mentions the difficulties involved.

Alpha

On 9/6/2005 2:25:39 PM, Alpha wrote:

> "Tarkus" <> wrote in message
> news:nefxtqljqjmx$....
>> On 9/6/2005 8:44:15 AM, Allan wrote:
>>
>>> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig
>>
>> Apparently, they haven't met Alpha, or they'd know that's impossible.
>
> If you read my whole series of notes on this, the caveat was using a
> multi-laser drive system. Sure you can do that...at big cost.

I believe you also said it would require a completely different drive
mechanism. And didn't you also say there would be licensing issues?

Regarding cost, Samsung's stuff is generally competitively priced, so I
doubt if it will be THAT much more than a single format player from their
competitors.

> We will see what the coy announcement says is Samsung's solution...they
> won't even indicate what it is.

Why would they give out this info to their competitors?

> The article itself mentions the difficulties involved.

And as many of us have tried to beat into your head, these companies make
a living off of solving difficulties. Big deal.
--
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Now playing: the radio.

Tarkus

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:33:09 -0700, Tarkus <> wrote:

>On 9/6/2005 2:25:39 PM, Alpha wrote:
>
>> "Tarkus" <> wrote in message
>> news:nefxtqljqjmx$....
>>> On 9/6/2005 8:44:15 AM, Allan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig
>>>
>>> Apparently, they haven't met Alpha, or they'd know that's impossible.
>>
>> If you read my whole series of notes on this, the caveat was using a
>> multi-laser drive system. Sure you can do that...at big cost.
>
>I believe you also said it would require a completely different drive
>mechanism. And didn't you also say there would be licensing issues?

No I was the one who said there would be licensing issues, maybe not..
However I see no reaosn why a properly-designed pickup couldn't handle
both Blu-ray and HD-tv, and it should be quite possible to have two
source LEDs for the laser, red and blue.

... Steve ..
>
>Regarding cost, Samsung's stuff is generally competitively priced, so I
>doubt if it will be THAT much more than a single format player from their
>competitors.
>
>> We will see what the coy announcement says is Samsung's solution...they
>> won't even indicate what it is.
>
>Why would they give out this info to their competitors?
>
>> The article itself mentions the difficulties involved.
>
>And as many of us have tried to beat into your head, these companies make
>a living off of solving difficulties. Big deal.

Steve(JazzHunter)

"Steve(JazzHunter)" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:33:09 -0700, Tarkus <> wrote:
>
>>On 9/6/2005 2:25:39 PM, Alpha wrote:
>>
>>> "Tarkus" <> wrote in message
>>> news:nefxtqljqjmx$....
>>>> On 9/6/2005 8:44:15 AM, Allan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, they haven't met Alpha, or they'd know that's impossible.
>>>
>>> If you read my whole series of notes on this, the caveat was using a
>>> multi-laser drive system. Sure you can do that...at big cost.
>>
>>I believe you also said it would require a completely different drive
>>mechanism. And didn't you also say there would be licensing issues?
>
> No I was the one who said there would be licensing issues, maybe not..
> However I see no reaosn why a properly-designed pickup couldn't handle
> both Blu-ray and HD-tv, and it should be quite possible to have two
> source LEDs for the laser, red and blue.

The article suggests three lasers are required.

Alpha

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:00:35 -0700, "Alpha" <> wrote:

>
>"Steve(JazzHunter)" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:33:09 -0700, Tarkus <> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/6/2005 2:25:39 PM, Alpha wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tarkus" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:nefxtqljqjmx$....
>>>>> On 9/6/2005 8:44:15 AM, Allan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Samsung to play safe with dual HD DVD/Blu-ray rig
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently, they haven't met Alpha, or they'd know that's impossible.
>>>>
>>>> If you read my whole series of notes on this, the caveat was using a
>>>> multi-laser drive system. Sure you can do that...at big cost.
>>>
>>>I believe you also said it would require a completely different drive
>>>mechanism. And didn't you also say there would be licensing issues?
>>
>> No I was the one who said there would be licensing issues, maybe not..
>> However I see no reaosn why a properly-designed pickup couldn't handle
>> both Blu-ray and HD-tv, and it should be quite possible to have two
>> source LEDs for the laser, red and blue.
>
>The article suggests three lasers are required.
>

Yes that's what the article says, Im saying I don't think that would
be necessary. DVDs are more different from CDs in track density and
pit size than the difference between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, and one laser
is used; and track focus depth just isn't something that requires
different laser assemblies. The wavelength difference between Blue
and Red can be provided with two source lasers using one lens unit.
The requirment of reading both DVDs and HD formats is what would add
to the cost and complexity.

... Steve ..

Steve(JazzHunter)