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http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20...piratesinchina

I don't want to paste the whole article, but here's what Warner did...
They released the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants in theaters in the
U.S. and, on the very same day, released it on DVD in China.

I think this is a pretty good move, although I don't know if this is
the flick to test the theory. I guess the next step is to release the
DVD on the same day as the theatrical release and sell it in movie
theaters.

They could use this as a way of de-fanging the double dip hatred. You
go to a theater and see a movie, you like it so you buy a bare bones
disc for $5 - $10. Later, when the DVD actually comes out, you get the
full version with extras, commentaries, etc.

- Jordan

On 6/9/2005 2:17:11 PM, Jordan wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20...piratesinchina
>
> I don't want to paste the whole article, but here's what Warner did...
> They released the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants in theaters in the
> U.S. and, on the very same day, released it on DVD in China.
>
> I think this is a pretty good move, although I don't know if this is
> the flick to test the theory. I guess the next step is to release the
> DVD on the same day as the theatrical release and sell it in movie
> theaters.

This will just ensure that people can download the DVD off of Usenet and
BitTorrent and elsewhere instead of watching it in a theater. You can
already do that now (for example, Star Wars III), but you're limited to
crappy screener copies, so there is still a huge incentive to go watch it
in a theater if it's something you care anything about.
--
"That movie has warped my fragile little mind."

Now playing: the radio.

But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it if it were
available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?

- Jordan

"Jordan" <> wrote in message
news: oups.com...
> But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it if it were
> available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?
>
> - Jordan
>

Because no matter how cheap they sell it for, they see the downloaded copy
as "free", and free will always win with teh downloading loser group...

On 6/9/2005 4:17:06 PM, Jordan wrote:

> But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it if it were
> available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?

Yes, they do it all the time now, even with crappy screener copies and
VCD transfers. Imagine if they got a great DVD release instead.

And that's $5-10 PER PERSON, not counting concessions that are apparently
made from gold.
--
"I have not yet begun to defile myself."

Now playing: the radio.

Biz wrote:
> "Jordan" <> wrote in message
> news: oups.com...
>> But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it
>> if it
>> were available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?
>>
>> - Jordan
>>
>
> Because no matter how cheap they sell it for, they see the
> downloaded
> copy as "free", and free will always win with teh downloading
> loser
> group...

You don't often make sense, but you've hit the nail at least on
the corner of the head here.

Consider what "illegal" media downloading has done for PC sales,
DVD writer sales, Blank DVD media sales, DVD production software
sales, broadband ISP sales, contemporary multi-format DVD player
sales, and the more or less obvious - TV display and home
theater sales.

And consider how many of these sales have been made by companies
who are perhaps justifiably crying about piracy - while not
missing a dime of the opportunity it represents. Sony may have
lost out on some DVD sales, but they've sold way more VAIOs and
DVD writers and TVs and projectors and flat panels than they
would have otherwise - and you and I know that they know it!!!

And in all honesty, where has there been a dip in DVD sales??
It's the hottest market we have in a flagging US economy.

Yet, JoeDOS and JaneMAC have spent all this cash to get "free"
media when they could have:

1) bought or rented the DVD
2) subscribed to a cable or satellite service
3) gone to the movies

and spent nowhere near the same sums ;-0)

I was no DVD enthusiast until I discovered video downloading; it
is effortless, after all. But it isn't the way one really wants
to see a movie - it's just a taste. So my DVD purchases have
sky-rocketed to hundreds per year where they were nearly nil (I
now have more yet to be watched than have been). I doubt that
I'm representative of the marketplace, but the industry has
gotten many more dollars from me on all sides of the cash
register - hardware, software, and media than they would have
were I left to their typical marketing.

My feeling, in this personal experience, is that Hollywood
despises downloading today because we can decide whether the
flick is trash or something less without wasting time and money
to do so. Although the latter (money) is certainly questionable
as outlined beforehand.

Tomorrow is a truly a different story, when even higher
bandwidth, even more efficient compression (whether Hollywood
employs it or not), and even more massive storage could really
have an impact on what they sell.

I see my bookcases of DVDs being replaced by a tiny server,
hidden in a closet, and holding every video and audio and photo,
and whatever other a/v or tactile stimulus the geeks can muster
for sale, on a cube slightly larger than sugar!! And I see
myself sampling, whenever possible, from others who have a copy
and deciding whether to add another grain of sugar to my cube or
noticing that it's unwanted salt;-0)

So bye bye, Miss American Pie and bye bye, Ebert and whoever -
deciding whether to buy a movie seat or DVD or CD or tomorrow's
thingy has become a personal thang !!!

But, to close, the "freebie" ain't the end product - just the
end of some products.

BJ

In article <lPednQLM2dthYTXfRVn->, "Billy Joe" <> wrote:
>Biz wrote:
>> "Jordan" <> wrote in message
>> news: oups.com...
>>> But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it
>>> if it
>>> were available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?
>>>
>>> - Jordan
>>>
>>
>> Because no matter how cheap they sell it for, they see the
>> downloaded
>> copy as "free", and free will always win with teh downloading
>> loser
>> group...
>
>You don't often make sense, but you've hit the nail at least on
>the corner of the head here.
>
>Consider what "illegal" media downloading has done for PC sales,
>DVD writer sales, Blank DVD media sales, DVD production software
>sales, broadband ISP sales, contemporary multi-format DVD player
>sales, and the more or less obvious - TV display and home
>theater sales.\

I did not buy "my" DVD burner, the bulk packs of DVD-R's, the upgraded system,
the mastering software to pirate stuff , i bought it to make my 74 MiniDV
tapes into dvd's. So i cant credit piracy for my hardware purchases.


>
>And consider how many of these sales have been made by companies
>who are perhaps justifiably crying about piracy - while not
>missing a dime of the opportunity it represents. Sony may have
>lost out on some DVD sales, but they've sold way more VAIOs and
>DVD writers and TVs and projectors and flat panels than they
>would have otherwise - and you and I know that they know it!!!
>
>And in all honesty, where has there been a dip in DVD sales??
>It's the hottest market we have in a flagging US economy.
>
>Yet, JoeDOS and JaneMAC have spent all this cash to get "free"
>media when they could have:
>
>1) bought or rented the DVD
>2) subscribed to a cable or satellite service
>3) gone to the movies
>
>and spent nowhere near the same sums ;-0)
>
>I was no DVD enthusiast until I discovered video downloading; it
>is effortless, after all. But it isn't the way one really wants
>to see a movie - it's just a taste. So my DVD purchases have
>sky-rocketed to hundreds per year where they were nearly nil (I
>now have more yet to be watched than have been). I doubt that
>I'm representative of the marketplace, but the industry has
>gotten many more dollars from me on all sides of the cash
>register - hardware, software, and media than they would have
>were I left to their typical marketing.
>
>My feeling, in this personal experience, is that Hollywood
>despises downloading today because we can decide whether the
>flick is trash or something less without wasting time and money
>to do so. Although the latter (money) is certainly questionable
>as outlined beforehand.
>
>Tomorrow is a truly a different story, when even higher
>bandwidth, even more efficient compression (whether Hollywood
>employs it or not), and even more massive storage could really
>have an impact on what they sell.
>
>I see my bookcases of DVDs being replaced by a tiny server,
>hidden in a closet, and holding every video and audio and photo,
>and whatever other a/v or tactile stimulus the geeks can muster
>for sale, on a cube slightly larger than sugar!! And I see
>myself sampling, whenever possible, from others who have a copy
>and deciding whether to add another grain of sugar to my cube or
>noticing that it's unwanted salt;-0)
>
>So bye bye, Miss American Pie and bye bye, Ebert and whoever -
>deciding whether to buy a movie seat or DVD or CD or tomorrow's
>thingy has become a personal thang !!!
>
>But, to close, the "freebie" ain't the end product - just the
>end of some products.
>
>BJ
>
>

GMAN wrote:
<snip>

> I did not buy "my" DVD burner, the bulk packs of DVD-R's, the
> upgraded system,
> the mastering software to pirate stuff , i bought it to make
> my 74
> MiniDV
> tapes into dvd's. So i cant credit piracy for my hardware
> purchases.
>
>
<snip>

Nor did I imply that you did. Simply that the RUSH to burn has
been spurred by the perceived windfall of "free" stuff. You
most likely would have done as you have regardless - tho there
might not have been such a plummet in the prices of things you
needed to do so, were it not for the others with different
intent. And if that's true, then you can credit piracy for
making it less expensive for you to pursue your own aims.

Don't confuse this reality with a "justification" for piracy,
but the market rarely looks a gift horse in the mouth, it just
takes the gift and deals with the repercussions, if any, later
!! One man's loss is another's gain, no??

This a/v piracy is a most unusual situation - never before
experienced on so large a scale. The technology that was used
to "improve" product delivery and reduce the costs of doing so
has, for the first time, also made it possible for massive
numbers of humans to test their moral mettle - and, it appears,
that the mettle is bent and brittle.

I find it interesting, while also finding myself not quite
sufficiently sanctimonious to judge either side - having been on
both. Passions have always abounded in politics and religion,
and now it seems - piracy (as if there's a difference ;-0).

BJ

Jordan wrote on [9 Jun 2005 16:17:06 -0700]:
> But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it if it were
> available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?

They'd even do it if it was free at the local theater.

GMAN wrote on [Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:36:30 GMT]:
> In article <lPednQLM2dthYTXfRVn->, "Billy Joe" <> wrote:
>>Biz wrote:
>>> "Jordan" <> wrote in message
>>> news: oups.com...
>>>> But would people go to the trouble of downloading/burning it
>>>> if it
>>>> were available for $5 to $10 at their local theater?
>>>>
>>>> - Jordan
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because no matter how cheap they sell it for, they see the
>>> downloaded
>>> copy as "free", and free will always win with teh downloading
>>> loser
>>> group...
>>
>>You don't often make sense, but you've hit the nail at least on
>>the corner of the head here.
>>
>>Consider what "illegal" media downloading has done for PC sales,
>>DVD writer sales, Blank DVD media sales, DVD production software
>>sales, broadband ISP sales, contemporary multi-format DVD player
>>sales, and the more or less obvious - TV display and home
>>theater sales.\
>
> I did not buy "my" DVD burner, the bulk packs of DVD-R's, the upgraded system,
> the mastering software to pirate stuff , i bought it to make my 74 MiniDV
> tapes into dvd's. So i cant credit piracy for my hardware purchases.

I bought mine to backup my personal files. CDs are way too cumbersome to
store many gigs worth of photos and documents.