JUMBO DVDs COMING - BUT AT WHAT PRICE?

Jumbo DVDs coming - but at what price?

By Anand Parthasarathy
The Hindu
Sunday, May 29, 2005

A new contender raises the storage stakes -- a hundred
fold

DVDs being packed in the Greater Noida plant of Moser
Baer. The company is geared to turn out either Blu Ray or
HD-DVD disks in the future.

BANGALORE: `Size Does Matter' -- if you want to be pack
leader in the optical storage business. And the latest
contender for the title of `Digital Godzilla' has just
stomped into the arena, promising a jumbo-sized offering
that dwarfs all rivals in the field. United States-based
storage player Iomega, has announced, it has been granted
two optical storage patents, that if converted into a
production process, can turn out Digital Versatile Disks
(DVDs) with a mind-boggling 850 giga bytes (GB)capacity --
that is 850 billion bits of information. This will make
the devices about 100 times bigger than the biggest DVDs
available today -- and with at least 20 times more
capacity than the next-generation high-density formats
being readied for year-end availability.

Ironically, to achieve these huge storage capacities,
Iomega engineers have exploited nano technology -- the
science of very small particles, touching atom sizes. In
its patent document, released by the U.S. Patent Office,
Iomega calls its technology ``Nano-Grating'' -- encoding
data on the surface of the DVD, using nano-sized
particles.

Experts believe the transition from patent to product
could take anything from two to five years. Today's 4.5
GB DVDs (9 GB, double sided) are set to be replaced by
the high-density formats expected by end 2005.
Unfortunately the old VHS-versus-Beta videocassette
format wars of the 1980s seem to be replaying: Two rival
camps have emerged in the high-density DVD business. One
-- Blu-Ray -- is backed by Sony, Hitachi, TDK, Panasonic
and others. The other -- HD-DVD (for High Density DVD) --
is supported by Toshiba, Sanyo and NEC. The formats which
will increase today's storage capacity at least ten-fold,
are incompatible and will force customers to make a
choice between two types of disks and players.

The heads of Sony and Toshiba recently announced that
they would meet soon and try to end the deadlock. But
both camps have raised the stakes, with 'macho'
announcements. Last week, TDK announced a 100-GB Blu Ray
DVD -- with an eye on the huge market for Sony PlayStation
players.

The HD-DVD camp has been touting the support for its
format, from Hollywood biggies Warner Brothers and
Universal: Movies form the biggest potential market for
DVDs. The Blu-Ray boys have been saying: ``So what! We
have Walt Disney and Twentieth Century-Fox in our
corner.''

The difference between the two formats is minuscule: In
Blu-Ray DVDs, the data layer is on the surface, covered
by a protective coat.

In the HD-DVD, the data layer is sandwiched between two
substrates. Both use the shorter wave length of the blue
laser rather than the red laser of today's CDs and DVDs,
to squeeze more data on the same-sized platter.

Canny manufacturers -- including Greater Noida (UP)-based
Moser Baer, the world's number 3, optical storage company
-- have been hedging their bets, tooling to do go either
way, at short notice, once the shakeout between Blu-Ray
and HD-DVD occurs. However the high initial cost of the
high density DVDs -- of either format -- estimated to be
Rs. 1,000- Rs. 2,000 equivalent per disk, may put off
buyers in price sensitive markets such as India, till
usage proliferates worldwide.

And for customers, the message is: Wait and watch -- with
a prayer that an avaricious industry does not face them
with conflicting standards and expect them to pay for its
sins by foisting the additional cost of dual-format
players and recorders on the buyer.

More at:
http://www.hindu.com/2005/05/29/stor...2900311100.htm

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

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> "John Sefton" <> wrote in message
> news:4299df5d$...
> >
> >
> > Nonymous wrote:
> >> Whatever you do, don't scratch it.
> > In the original ads for cd
> > it showed a dog with one in its
> > mouth and emphasized how
> > indestructible they are compared to
> > records!?
> >
>
> This is one of the biggest fictions of optical media. Analog records are
> far more robust than optical digital at failure rate. Particularly for DVD,
> since they approach failure margins so closely.

Analog records in the best condition sound better,
too. Living beings are largely analog, not digital.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

> Jumbo DVDs coming - but at what price?
>
> By Anand Parthasarathy
> The Hindu
> Sunday, May 29, 2005
>
> A new contender raises the storage stakes -- a hundred
> fold
>
> DVDs being packed in the Greater Noida plant of Moser
> Baer. The company is geared to turn out either Blu Ray or
> HD-DVD disks in the future.
>
> BANGALORE: `Size Does Matter' -- if you want to be pack
> leader in the optical storage business. And the latest
> contender for the title of `Digital Godzilla' has just
> stomped into the arena, promising a jumbo-sized offering
> that dwarfs all rivals in the field. United States-based
> storage player Iomega, has announced, it has been granted
> two optical storage patents, that if converted into a
> production process, can turn out Digital Versatile Disks
> (DVDs) with a mind-boggling 850 giga bytes (GB)capacity --
> that is 850 billion bits of information. This will make
> the devices about 100 times bigger than the biggest DVDs
> available today -- and with at least 20 times more
> capacity than the next-generation high-density formats
> being readied for year-end availability.
>
> Ironically, to achieve these huge storage capacities,
> Iomega engineers have exploited nano technology -- the
> science of very small particles, touching atom sizes. In
> its patent document, released by the U.S. Patent Office,
> Iomega calls its technology ``Nano-Grating'' -- encoding
> data on the surface of the DVD, using nano-sized
> particles.
>
> Experts believe the transition from patent to product
> could take anything from two to five years. Today's 4.5
> GB DVDs (9 GB, double sided) are set to be replaced by
> the high-density formats expected by end 2005.
> Unfortunately the old VHS-versus-Beta videocassette
> format wars of the 1980s seem to be replaying: Two rival
> camps have emerged in the high-density DVD business. One
> -- Blu-Ray -- is backed by Sony, Hitachi, TDK, Panasonic
> and others. The other -- HD-DVD (for High Density DVD) --
> is supported by Toshiba, Sanyo and NEC. The formats which
> will increase today's storage capacity at least ten-fold,
> are incompatible and will force customers to make a
> choice between two types of disks and players.
>
> The heads of Sony and Toshiba recently announced that
> they would meet soon and try to end the deadlock. But
> both camps have raised the stakes, with 'macho'
> announcements. Last week, TDK announced a 100-GB Blu Ray
> DVD -- with an eye on the huge market for Sony PlayStation
> players.
>
> The HD-DVD camp has been touting the support for its
> format, from Hollywood biggies Warner Brothers and
> Universal: Movies form the biggest potential market for
> DVDs. The Blu-Ray boys have been saying: ``So what! We
> have Walt Disney and Twentieth Century-Fox in our
> corner.''
>
> The difference between the two formats is minuscule: In
> Blu-Ray DVDs, the data layer is on the surface, covered
> by a protective coat.
>
> In the HD-DVD, the data layer is sandwiched between two
> substrates. Both use the shorter wave length of the blue
> laser rather than the red laser of today's CDs and DVDs,
> to squeeze more data on the same-sized platter.
>
> Canny manufacturers -- including Greater Noida (UP)-based
> Moser Baer, the world's number 3, optical storage company
> -- have been hedging their bets, tooling to do go either
> way, at short notice, once the shakeout between Blu-Ray
> and HD-DVD occurs. However the high initial cost of the
> high density DVDs -- of either format -- estimated to be
> Rs. 1,000- Rs. 2,000 equivalent per disk, may put off
> buyers in price sensitive markets such as India, till
> usage proliferates worldwide.
>
> And for customers, the message is: Wait and watch -- with
> a prayer that an avaricious industry does not face them
> with conflicting standards and expect them to pay for its
> sins by foisting the additional cost of dual-format
> players and recorders on the buyer.
>
> More at:
> http://www.hindu.com/2005/05/29/stor...2900311100.htm
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>
> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> http://www.hindu.org
> http://www.hindunet.org
>
> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>
> The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
>
> "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
> peace, but a sword.
> "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
> daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
> law.
> "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
> - Matthew 10:34-36.
>
> o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational
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Dr. Jai Maharaj

On Mon, 30 May 2005 00:13:55 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
wrote:

>> "John Sefton" <> wrote in message
>> news:4299df5d$...
>> >
>> >
>> > Nonymous wrote:
>> >> Whatever you do, don't scratch it.
>> > In the original ads for cd
>> > it showed a dog with one in its
>> > mouth and emphasized how
>> > indestructible they are compared to
>> > records!?
>> >
>>
>> This is one of the biggest fictions of optical media. Analog records are
>> far more robust than optical digital at failure rate. Particularly for DVD,
>> since they approach failure margins so closely.

The issue of failure depends on the measure of failure, when optical
(or other digital) media fails, it does so spectacularly because the
data is gone at that point and the d/a converters have no way to
restore that. analog media doesn't necessarily lose the data
(depending on what fails) it jusat loses some, but then keeps playing,
or distortion is added. Nontheless a large scratch on an analog
record, a warp, or a well used analog record are all failing, and to
someone who cares, those are all as useless as digital dropout.

I can guarantee that my well cared for optical media are all able to
outperform my well cared for analog media. The failure rate on my
optical media comes down to about 5 of my 1300 CDs/DVDs/SACDs. Quite
acceptable
>
>Analog records in the best condition sound better,
>too. Living beings are largely analog, not digital.

That's a myth that jaded audiophiles would like to believe. Quite
simply a well recorded and mixed digital recording outperforms analog
records. Analog records simply don't hold up to play, they have
inherent distortion issues at the high and low ends and high frequency
rolloff (14K rolloff) simply precludes the possibility of accuracy.

You may enjoy euphonic distortion, but that's a whole different
argument.

Your analog digital argument doesn't play out either. Quite simply,
the wave that comes out of the speakers is analog in the end, our ears
don't hear the electronic signal they hear the waveform from the
speaker system. Whether the signal starts as analog or digital signal
makes no difference at the end, and quite bluntly the sampling rates
used for CD (and higher rez formats) produces an outgoing signal that
is more than accurate enough for our hearing. Will analog and digital
sound differently, unlikely from a high end tape source, but
definitley from vinyl vs. optical. That is simply due to distortion
inherent in the vinyl system.

Grant Kinsley
>
>Jai Maharaj
>http://www.mantra.com/jai
>Om Shanti
>
>Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>> Jumbo DVDs coming - but at what price?
>>
>> By Anand Parthasarathy
>> The Hindu
>> Sunday, May 29, 2005
>>
>> A new contender raises the storage stakes -- a hundred
>> fold
>>
>> DVDs being packed in the Greater Noida plant of Moser
>> Baer. The company is geared to turn out either Blu Ray or
>> HD-DVD disks in the future.
>>
>> BANGALORE: `Size Does Matter' -- if you want to be pack
>> leader in the optical storage business. And the latest
>> contender for the title of `Digital Godzilla' has just
>> stomped into the arena, promising a jumbo-sized offering
>> that dwarfs all rivals in the field. United States-based
>> storage player Iomega, has announced, it has been granted
>> two optical storage patents, that if converted into a
>> production process, can turn out Digital Versatile Disks
>> (DVDs) with a mind-boggling 850 giga bytes (GB)capacity --
>> that is 850 billion bits of information. This will make
>> the devices about 100 times bigger than the biggest DVDs
>> available today -- and with at least 20 times more
>> capacity than the next-generation high-density formats
>> being readied for year-end availability.
>>
>> Ironically, to achieve these huge storage capacities,
>> Iomega engineers have exploited nano technology -- the
>> science of very small particles, touching atom sizes. In
>> its patent document, released by the U.S. Patent Office,
>> Iomega calls its technology ``Nano-Grating'' -- encoding
>> data on the surface of the DVD, using nano-sized
>> particles.
>>
>> Experts believe the transition from patent to product
>> could take anything from two to five years. Today's 4.5
>> GB DVDs (9 GB, double sided) are set to be replaced by
>> the high-density formats expected by end 2005.
>> Unfortunately the old VHS-versus-Beta videocassette
>> format wars of the 1980s seem to be replaying: Two rival
>> camps have emerged in the high-density DVD business. One
>> -- Blu-Ray -- is backed by Sony, Hitachi, TDK, Panasonic
>> and others. The other -- HD-DVD (for High Density DVD) --
>> is supported by Toshiba, Sanyo and NEC. The formats which
>> will increase today's storage capacity at least ten-fold,
>> are incompatible and will force customers to make a
>> choice between two types of disks and players.
>>
>> The heads of Sony and Toshiba recently announced that
>> they would meet soon and try to end the deadlock. But
>> both camps have raised the stakes, with 'macho'
>> announcements. Last week, TDK announced a 100-GB Blu Ray
>> DVD -- with an eye on the huge market for Sony PlayStation
>> players.
>>
>> The HD-DVD camp has been touting the support for its
>> format, from Hollywood biggies Warner Brothers and
>> Universal: Movies form the biggest potential market for
>> DVDs. The Blu-Ray boys have been saying: ``So what! We
>> have Walt Disney and Twentieth Century-Fox in our
>> corner.''
>>
>> The difference between the two formats is minuscule: In
>> Blu-Ray DVDs, the data layer is on the surface, covered
>> by a protective coat.
>>
>> In the HD-DVD, the data layer is sandwiched between two
>> substrates. Both use the shorter wave length of the blue
>> laser rather than the red laser of today's CDs and DVDs,
>> to squeeze more data on the same-sized platter.
>>
>> Canny manufacturers -- including Greater Noida (UP)-based
>> Moser Baer, the world's number 3, optical storage company
>> -- have been hedging their bets, tooling to do go either
>> way, at short notice, once the shakeout between Blu-Ray
>> and HD-DVD occurs. However the high initial cost of the
>> high density DVDs -- of either format -- estimated to be
>> Rs. 1,000- Rs. 2,000 equivalent per disk, may put off
>> buyers in price sensitive markets such as India, till
>> usage proliferates worldwide.
>>
>> And for customers, the message is: Wait and watch -- with
>> a prayer that an avaricious industry does not face them
>> with conflicting standards and expect them to pay for its
>> sins by foisting the additional cost of dual-format
>> players and recorders on the buyer.
>>
>> More at:
>> http://www.hindu.com/2005/05/29/stor...2900311100.htm
>>
>> Jai Maharaj
>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>> Om Shanti
>>
>> Hindu Holocaust Museum
>> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
>>
>> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
>> http://www.hindu.org
>> http://www.hindunet.org
>>
>> The truth about Islam and Muslims
>> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
>>
>> The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
>>
>> "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
>> peace, but a sword.
>> "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
>> daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
>> law.
>> "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
>> - Matthew 10:34-36.
>>
>> o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational
>> purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not
>> have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the
>> poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for
>> fair use of copyrighted works.
>> o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
>> considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current
>> e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
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>> not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.
>>
>> FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use of
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>> democratic, scientific, social, and cultural, etc., issues. It is believed
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>> provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title
>> 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without
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>> information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by
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>>
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grant kinsley

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Grant-

Jai is a well-known troll in other newsgroups. Best
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In article <>,
grant kinsley <> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>
> >> "John Sefton" <> wrote in message
> >> news:4299df5d$...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Nonymous wrote:
> >> >> Whatever you do, don't scratch it.
> >> > In the original ads for cd
> >> > it showed a dog with one in its
> >> > mouth and emphasized how
> >> > indestructible they are compared to
> >> > records!?
> >> >
> >>
> >> This is one of the biggest fictions of optical media. Analog records are
> >> far more robust than optical digital at failure rate. Particularly for
> DVD,
> >> since they approach failure margins so closely.
>
> The issue of failure depends on the measure of failure, when optical
> (or other digital) media fails, it does so spectacularly because the
> data is gone at that point and the d/a converters have no way to
> restore that. analog media doesn't necessarily lose the data
> (depending on what fails) it jusat loses some, but then keeps playing,
> or distortion is added. Nontheless a large scratch on an analog
> record, a warp, or a well used analog record are all failing, and to
> someone who cares, those are all as useless as digital dropout.
>
> I can guarantee that my well cared for optical media are all able to
> outperform my well cared for analog media. The failure rate on my
> optical media comes down to about 5 of my 1300 CDs/DVDs/SACDs. Quite
> acceptable

>> Analog records in the best condition sound better,
>> too. Living beings are largely analog, not digital.
>> - Jai Maharaj

> That's a myth that jaded audiophiles would like to believe. Quite
> simply a well recorded and mixed digital recording outperforms analog
> records. Analog records simply don't hold up to play, they have
> inherent distortion issues at the high and low ends and high frequency
> rolloff (14K rolloff) simply precludes the possibility of accuracy.

Records are not the only medium on which analog information can
be recorded.

> You may enjoy euphonic distortion, but that's a whole different
> argument.

What you may call "distortion" to you may be excellent-quality music to another.

> Your analog digital argument doesn't play out either. Quite simply,
> the wave that comes out of the speakers is analog in the end, our ears
> don't hear the electronic signal they hear the waveform from the
> speaker system.

No, ears don't hear, the brain-mind does -- after interpretation
based no a large number of individual as well as specie-specific factors.

> Whether the signal starts as analog or digital signal
> makes no difference at the end, and quite bluntly the sampling rates
> used for CD (and higher rez formats) produces an outgoing signal that
> is more than accurate enough for our hearing. Will analog and digital
> sound differently, unlikely from a high end tape source, but
> definitley from vinyl vs. optical. That is simply due to distortion
> inherent in the vinyl system. Grant Kinsley

All that is quite subjective.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

> >Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >> Jumbo DVDs coming - but at what price?
> >>
> >> By Anand Parthasarathy
> >> The Hindu
> >> Sunday, May 29, 2005
> >>
> >> A new contender raises the storage stakes -- a hundred
> >> fold
> >>
> >> DVDs being packed in the Greater Noida plant of Moser
> >> Baer. The company is geared to turn out either Blu Ray or
> >> HD-DVD disks in the future.
> >>
> >> BANGALORE: `Size Does Matter' -- if you want to be pack
> >> leader in the optical storage business. And the latest
> >> contender for the title of `Digital Godzilla' has just
> >> stomped into the arena, promising a jumbo-sized offering
> >> that dwarfs all rivals in the field. United States-based
> >> storage player Iomega, has announced, it has been granted
> >> two optical storage patents, that if converted into a
> >> production process, can turn out Digital Versatile Disks
> >> (DVDs) with a mind-boggling 850 giga bytes (GB)capacity --
> >> that is 850 billion bits of information. This will make
> >> the devices about 100 times bigger than the biggest DVDs
> >> available today -- and with at least 20 times more
> >> capacity than the next-generation high-density formats
> >> being readied for year-end availability.
> >>
> >> Ironically, to achieve these huge storage capacities,
> >> Iomega engineers have exploited nano technology -- the
> >> science of very small particles, touching atom sizes. In
> >> its patent document, released by the U.S. Patent Office,
> >> Iomega calls its technology ``Nano-Grating'' -- encoding
> >> data on the surface of the DVD, using nano-sized
> >> particles.
> >>
> >> Experts believe the transition from patent to product
> >> could take anything from two to five years. Today's 4.5
> >> GB DVDs (9 GB, double sided) are set to be replaced by
> >> the high-density formats expected by end 2005.
> >> Unfortunately the old VHS-versus-Beta videocassette
> >> format wars of the 1980s seem to be replaying: Two rival
> >> camps have emerged in the high-density DVD business. One
> >> -- Blu-Ray -- is backed by Sony, Hitachi, TDK, Panasonic
> >> and others. The other -- HD-DVD (for High Density DVD) --
> >> is supported by Toshiba, Sanyo and NEC. The formats which
> >> will increase today's storage capacity at least ten-fold,
> >> are incompatible and will force customers to make a
> >> choice between two types of disks and players.
> >>
> >> The heads of Sony and Toshiba recently announced that
> >> they would meet soon and try to end the deadlock. But
> >> both camps have raised the stakes, with 'macho'
> >> announcements. Last week, TDK announced a 100-GB Blu Ray
> >> DVD -- with an eye on the huge market for Sony PlayStation
> >> players.
> >>
> >> The HD-DVD camp has been touting the support for its
> >> format, from Hollywood biggies Warner Brothers and
> >> Universal: Movies form the biggest potential market for
> >> DVDs. The Blu-Ray boys have been saying: ``So what! We
> >> have Walt Disney and Twentieth Century-Fox in our
> >> corner.''
> >>
> >> The difference between the two formats is minuscule: In
> >> Blu-Ray DVDs, the data layer is on the surface, covered
> >> by a protective coat.
> >>
> >> In the HD-DVD, the data layer is sandwiched between two
> >> substrates. Both use the shorter wave length of the blue
> >> laser rather than the red laser of today's CDs and DVDs,
> >> to squeeze more data on the same-sized platter.
> >>
> >> Canny manufacturers -- including Greater Noida (UP)-based
> >> Moser Baer, the world's number 3, optical storage company
> >> -- have been hedging their bets, tooling to do go either
> >> way, at short notice, once the shakeout between Blu-Ray
> >> and HD-DVD occurs. However the high initial cost of the
> >> high density DVDs -- of either format -- estimated to be
> >> Rs. 1,000- Rs. 2,000 equivalent per disk, may put off
> >> buyers in price sensitive markets such as India, till
> >> usage proliferates worldwide.
> >>
> >> And for customers, the message is: Wait and watch -- with
> >> a prayer that an avaricious industry does not face them
> >> with conflicting standards and expect them to pay for its
> >> sins by foisting the additional cost of dual-format
> >> players and recorders on the buyer.
> >>
> >> More at:
> >> http://www.hindu.com/2005/05/29/stor...2900311100.htm
> >>
> >> Jai Maharaj
> >> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> >> Om Shanti
> >>
> >> Hindu Holocaust Museum
> >> http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
> >>
> >> Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> >> http://www.hindu.org
> >> http://www.hindunet.org
> >>
> >> The truth about Islam and Muslims
> >> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
> >>
> >> The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
> >>
> >> "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
> >> peace, but a sword.
> >> "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
> >> daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
> >> law.
> >> "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
> >> - Matthew 10:34-36.
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Dr. Jai Maharaj

In article <Xns96678A42B9C2Flinkvb06SpammersWill@204.186.200. 105>,
"Aaron J. Bossig" <> posted:
>
> Jai is a . . .

Who is this "Aaron J. Bossig" who publishes defamation
and thus commits libel? Here's some publicly posted information:

Aaron J. Bossig <>
Aaron J. Bossig <>
397 Hemlock Drive
Lehighton, PA 18235
USA

Telephone - 610-282-2634 x 7052

Bossig uses the street address of a rehab center:

Mahoning Valley Nursing and Rehabilitation Center
397 Hemlock Drive
Lehighton, PA 18235
USA

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Dr. Jai Maharaj

In article <SOuCe3164ExHlU@NweAc>, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
wrote:

> In article <Xns96678A42B9C2Flinkvb06SpammersWill@204.186.200. 105>,
> "Aaron J. Bossig" <> posted:
> >
> > Jai is a . . .
>
> Who is this "Aaron J. Bossig" who publishes defamation
> and thus commits libel? Here's some publicly posted information:
>
>
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

whoever he is, you've just made it easier for him to charge you with
stalking him.

Prostate Cancer Man

In article <nowhere->,
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Prostate Cancer Man <> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <Xns96678A42B9C2Flinkvb06SpammersWill@204.186.200. 105>,
> > "Aaron J. Bossig" <> posted:
> > >
> > > Jai is a . . .
> >
> > Who is this "Aaron J. Bossig" who publishes defamation
> > and thus commits libel? Here's some publicly posted information:
> >
> > Aaron J. Bossig <>
> > Aaron J. Bossig <>
> > 397 Hemlock Drive
> > Lehighton, PA 18235
> > USA
> >
> > Telephone - 610-282-2634 x 7052
> >
> > Bossig uses the street address of a rehab center:
> >
> > Mahoning Valley Nursing and Rehabilitation Center
> > 397 Hemlock Drive
> > Lehighton, PA 18235
> > USA
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

> whoever he is, you've just made it easier for him to charge you with
> stalking him.

Exposing those who commit crimes using the information
they themselves make publicly available is not "stalking".

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Dr. Jai Maharaj

On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:35:39 -0500, "Aaron J. Bossig"
<> wrote:

>grant kinsley <> wrote in
>news: :
>
>Grant-
>
>Jai is a well-known troll in other newsgroups. Best
>not to respond.


Thanks for letting me know, no more feeding the trolls.

Grant

grant kinsley

In article <FoePu7783iKLQE@VquEb>, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
wrote:

> In article <nowhere->,
> [ Path: . . . nntp.inreach.com!news.inreach.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> [ NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:13:42 -0500
> [ From: Prostate Cancer Man <>
> [ User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.4 (PPC Classic)
> [ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:13:43 -0700
> [ Message-ID: <nowhere->
> [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.163
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> [ 6JTZaq75AOQmrxNDyHh2xIREv9dK!ylCVYXYP8b1qCQAclzNJM otVtEylh7Dqog==
> Prostate Cancer Man <> posted:
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> > > In article <Xns96678A42B9C2Flinkvb06SpammersWill@204.186.200. 105>,
> > > "Aaron J. Bossig" <> posted:
> > > >
> > > > Jai is a . . .
> > >
> > > Who is this "Aaron J. Bossig" who publishes defamation
> > > and thus commits libel? Here's some publicly posted information:
> > >


> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> > whoever he is, you've just made it easier for him to charge you with
> > stalking him.
>
> Exposing those who commit crimes using the information
> they themselves make publicly available is not "stalking".
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

Accusing others of crimes is not proof of those crimes.

As you accuse Mr Bossig of libel, so do you prove yourself a stalker.

You are your very own bad karma.

For you, reality sucks

Prostate Cancer Man